Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition

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And people keep on fucking saying that we need to do more railways and other shit after all that exploding right into their faces.
The Rail-viet are funny at times lol
I recall people basically saying they wanted roads to be as small as possible with rails handling everything. And some people got utterly terrified of any roads being built.
It was funny, you can tell how our many modern american anti-car brain worms have infested us lol
I think the rail specialization is partially because the people who know how to make plans really like rails so the voterbase is stuck between more rails and 5% less rails
Yeah, idk if I'd say it's a criticism, but I know I could never make a plan for this quest myself. I just don't understand the systems enough. Let alone be able to really tell the difference between 2 plans that only have slight differences.
(Voz was my favorite protagonist)
He certainly had some very fun to read brain worms himself as a POV, and actually felt like a real character.
 
Wow the Malenkov era really was clownshoes, Malenkov practically driving blind and the Threadviet being in the peak of anti-car hysteria. Here's hoping that our girlboss with actual economics training will have some better ideas of what the ministry should be looking for.
The Gorky nat 100 was what broke you through to somewhat competitive machinery on an immediate basis and somewhat supported your entire modern industrial production base
Oh wow. To think that one Critwin is the sole reason our machinery is only slightly behind rather than very behind the west. I used to consider the gas Nat 100 to be our most important one, but perhaps this one takes its place!
  • The enterprise reforms in 1951 practically formed a radically different environment in the economy, overhauling vast sectors of economic activity. The incentive funds and everything around them were such a massive concessions to enterprises that the private sector was allowed to exist
  • In nearly any other combination of actions outside of presenting it as a combined effort, you would not have much of a private sector as they would have been crushed by enterprise managers
And despite Malenkov having no idea what he is doing, we still blunder into the specific set of unlikely circumstances where the USSR has a not-totally-irrelevant private sector. Even when we don't know it, we are Dancing Through The Raindrops.

Also, now comes the passenger rail network, otherwise known as the project you should have canceled or refused to do. You did not have to follow orders and could have theoretically tanked the political cost
I am NOT apologizing for that one, choo choo motherfuckers! Heh, nothing to stoke the train brainworms like hearing the status quo is getting our passengers incinerated in rocket fuel.

Seriously tho we are never taking a HI focus until the nineties.
I think if we are doing a HI plan in the 90s we are doing something wrong
That is assuming that an HI focus will only unlock overbuilt megaprojects, and will not gate critical technological modernizations necessary to avoid the Middle Income Trap gutting our manufacturing industries. Which is not a horrible assumption, but not a guarantee. Well, we'll see whether making our chip fabs internationally competitive remains focus-gated, that'll be an early sign of how it bodes.

Yeah, idk if I'd say it's a criticism, but I know I could never make a plan for this quest myself. I just don't understand the systems enough. Let alone be able to really tell the difference between 2 plans that only have slight differences.
What are the main difficulties you have, something about the spreadsheet you don't fully understand?
 
The Rail-viet are funny at times lol

It was funny, you can tell how our many modern american anti-car brain worms have infested us lol

Yeah, idk if I'd say it's a criticism, but I know I could never make a plan for this quest myself. I just don't understand the systems enough. Let alone be able to really tell the difference between 2 plans that only have slight differences.

He certainly had some very fun to read brain worms himself as a POV, and actually felt like a real character.
We have car trauma and like all generational traumas it colors everything we do and see.
 
It happens in this quest for the same reasons it does in real life, all we have is reports from our underlings (who are probably lying to and manipulating us, just as their underlings lie to and manipulate them, and so on and so forth).
Agreed, and the fact that Blackstar takes the care to simulate all this background stuff - and furthermore, simulate it in a way that is harmful to us rather than just letting a utopian fantasy run wild - is what makes this quest so good.

As a side note, this more-realistic level of difficulty makes the successes feel much more meaningful.
 
It's also important to not suddenly overcorrect against shit in the information stream from 20 years, 3 characters, and multiple generations of advisors ago. The OOC posts only come after the events discussed are suitably far in the past that we can't do much with the peek behind the curtain, so it's fun but that's mostly all it is. We would never sink thousands of progress points into a boondoggle megaproject based on dubious guesstimates of the social-economic situation again, now to take a big sip of my coffee and take a look at the latest hydrology reports...
 
So I got bored so I'm doing some basic profitability calc to see how profitable our latest projects are. Take this with a grain of salt, considering some projects are multi-staged, so investment into one stage also invests into the next. This is why I put a ? to the reliability of West Siberian Petroleum Fields and Domestic Meat. It also means projects like Microcomputer plants, which will need just 1 dice next plan to get to stage 2, suffer in terms of profitability.

This also doesn't take into account 2 things. One is project's profits growing over time, or contributing to other profits. The other is the materials going into projects. Roadside Logistics produces decent returns, but it also consumes Petroleum Fuels, which we could make more money by converting into petrochemicals, and then those into consumer goods. AKA going up the value chain. I might try and do something more in-depth later.
ProjectProfitReliable
Expansive Discrete Transistor Production0.32
Computerization of Finance0.222
West Siberian Petroleum Fields(Stage 6/6)0.195?
Consumer Electronics Plants(Stage 1/3)0.188
Basic Programing Training Programs0.166
Expanding Roadside Logistics(Stage 1/2)0.166
Mixed Textile Industries(Stage 2/3)0.161
Domestic Petroleum Industries0.143
Domestic Meat Programs(Stage 6/10) (2x120+130)0.135?
Enterprise Support Services(Stage 1/3) 0.125
Expanded Paper Industries (160+170)0.121
Microcomputer Plants(Stage 1/4)0.097
 
It's also important to not suddenly overcorrect against shit in the information stream from 20 years, 3 characters, and multiple generations of advisors ago. The OOC posts only come after the events discussed are suitably far in the past that we can't do much with the peek behind the curtain, so it's fun but that's mostly all it is. We would never sink thousands of progress points into a boondoggle megaproject based on dubious guesstimates of the social-economic situation again, now to take a big sip of my coffee and take a look at the latest hydrology reports...
To be fair apparently the current Minister was at least competent enough to 'use' it to gain political wins as well as 'fix' the coal supply issues the Soviet Union was suffering and thus probably gaining favor from a fair bit of coal dependent industries. Aside of gaining a fair bit of influence with Central Asia from its official goal of more water to them. Still not worth it, but I can see how some of the other people apparently consider him a bit scary politically. If you don't know better he seems to have rapidly maneuvered the Ministry in to substantial gains, at the cost of an extremely expensive megaproject of course. Some might say that's one hell of a corrupt payoff I guess...


Well we'll have to see how long they can keep up the image of being a political mastermind, rather then having some luck in opportunistically stringing a series of different events together to their advantage and not fumbling the acting.
 
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Both our rail network and our paved road network are in a better state than the USSR or successor states have ever achieved OTL. Not that this is really an indicator of how good we are at Infra spending, more just how much more money and industrial capacity we have than OTL that even with decades of fuckups sub-optimal capex allocations we can't help but do better.
 
The problem is that the planning apparatus is in the hands of a clique of out-of-touch, ivory tower internet nerds bureaucrats.



Reject bureaucratization, democratize the planning system!
 
You know, if we had a highly politically skilled minister, I imagine we might've gotten an option to sabotage River Riversal and to make it seem like the fault lay with the Central Asian representatives. Or something along those lines. Subtly sabotaging a large project so that the blame falls on your enemy is just 101 stuff.
 
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You know, if we had a highly politically skilled minister, I imagine we might've gotten an option to sabotage River Riversal and to make it seem like the fault lay with the Central Asian representatives. Or something along those lines. Subtly sabotaging a large project so that the blame falls on your enemy is just 101 stuff.
That's the committee option we did not pick lol
 
You know, if we had a highly politically skilled minister, I imagine we might've gotten an option to sabotage River Riversal and to make it seem like the fault lay with the Central Asian representatives. Or something along those lines. Subtly sabotaging a large project so that the blame falls on your enemy is just 101 stuff.
We're a different kind of politician though.
 
Unironically the Malenkov era was such a giant cluster fuck that it discedited central planning.

I often feel that Blackstar is a bit too optimistic about the Soviet system. The fall of Mikoyan and Malenkov and Kosygin rising to the top job was what I'd have used as exhibit "A" if I ever were to complain about that optimism. Particularly as Kosygin enjoyed years of strong support doing economist brained reforms in a system that even TTL is mostly run by engineers (Soviet politicians in OTL were usually engineers in the same way that American politicians are usually lawyers, and OTL Kosygin faced serious headwinds due to being the only non-engineer in high Soviet politics - TTL we were only a little bit better before Kosygin's rise, mostly because we avoided Stalin's purges of the Leningrad party).

But it turns out that was all us traumatizing Soviet politics! First with the statist ruthlessness Mikoyan got from being our MC for years, then with Malenkov's well-meaning incompetence.

TTL's Kosygin might even have been like OTL's Kosygin, and not wanted power, only ending up in power due to Malenkov making such a big mess he felt duty bound to do a job he didn't want...

And that he had the political support to deliver economist brained reforms was because everyone was reacting against Malenkov's engineer brained love for the trains of the future... Political support that has outlived Kosygin's career, what with politics still moving rightward for now (though I don't underestimate Vorotnikov, Zimyanin and Balakirev's ability to change that).

Kinda wild.

This is also a good example of good things coming from the Ministry failing tho. I think we kinda get obsessed with the idea of our ministers winning every political fight or thinking that we are the only ones who can solve the problems of the Soviet Union, when our actual track record is of being actually pretty bad at our jobs since Stalin's fall.

Alot of the ways this TL is better is due to us managing to avoid the worst outcomes in the Stalinist period, since Stalin we've almost destroyed the Soviet economy to build shiny trains under Malenkov, were super corrupt under Voz, almost started a nuclear war under Klimenko and are pushing the Soviet war against nature into overdrive under Balakirev.

I think we urgently need to come to terms with the Threadviet not having all of the answers and recognizing that giving other actors in the political system opportunities might be a good thing sometimes.

He developed productive forces, is what he did. He was a genius Soviet economist. And in this house, Nikolai Voznesensky is a hero. End of story!

I'll bet that Voz's competence is a big reason for why the Vorotnikov and his allies are the way they are. If the conservatives are Voz fans, that might have implications for their behavior and choices.

Does anyone remember where Voz is now? He's still alive right?

Both our rail network and our paved road network are in a better state than the USSR or successor states have ever achieved OTL. Not that this is really an indicator of how good we are at Infra spending, more just how much more money and industrial capacity we have than OTL that even with decades of fuckups sub-optimal capex allocations we can't help but do better.

How much of our steel industry was built up to supply our demand for rails as well? Like... Is that a separate mistake, or an aftershock of the rail obsession?

If it hadn't been for the sterling work of Comrade Ashbrook our steel industry would be in full on crisis right now. I have a feeling that our oversized steel industry will be revealed to be another one of our major mistakes down the road.

And you know what will be hilarious? If in a few years when Blackstar gives us the OOC commentary on Klimenko, we find out that nearly causing a nuclear war and dooming the Algerian people to genocide is what gave Ashbrook the political capital to save our steel industry...

Regards,

fasquardon
 
How the hell have we caused the Algerians to be genocided!?!?!? We are still sending them arms and they are giving France a new Lost generation at this rate!
 
How the hell have we caused the Algerians to be genocided!?!?!? We are still sending them arms and they are giving France a new Lost generation at this rate!
Its enough to be a violent insurgency but its not enough to actually drive out the colonists, meaning France is just grabbing every algerian they see and forcing them into the desert to die because the coast is the only actually good land.
 
Well, algeria will probably survive to some extent, if without a coast. All of the energy resources are deep in the interior which france can't really hold even if it wants to. So they'll set up a petrostate eventually assuming they don't roll like shit.
 
He died because of lung cancer during klimenko's first FYP I believe, the one were we got that protest in Moscow and we were doing the anti corruption investigations against his cronies plus where Gorky and the HI sector collapsed

Aw, shucks.

How the hell have we caused the Algerians to be genocided!?!?!? We are still sending them arms and they are giving France a new Lost generation at this rate!

Because we got the Americans to give the French a blank cheque. Also, the volume of arms we are sending is probably much reduced from what we'd have been able to get away with had we not tried to force the French blockade of Libya. For the report on how the genocide is going, see here for the most recent update:

Fighting in Algeria has not slowed with partisan action forming a key element of Algerian defense against continuous French encroachment. The political will to continue fighting from France is being steadily reduced but it has so far not approached any form of the critical point. The next election is expected to result in a new government as the war is unpopular on the home-front but the new government has only made promises to rationalize commitments instead of starting negotiations. American moves have increased armament sales to the French and opened negotiations with Libya but little practical effects will come from either if current estimates of Gadaffi are accurate. Consolidation of the coastal cities has been protested several times in the UN but it is more for show as the French veto makes any vote perfunctory.

With the reports of genocide highlighted in bold for you. And since most Algerians live on the coast, it doesn't really help the average Algerian that there's still guerillas fighting elsewhere in the country.

Regards,

fasquardon
 
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