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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition

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Honestly I think it might be worth considering leaving plastics to the enterprises, because we know very well that an oil crisis is coming, especially if Levant implodes and it escalates into a regional crisis. Let them throw all their money into building out the industry right before the crash and then claw back some of their power when they go under.
 
Nervos Belli said:
Honestly I think it might be worth considering leaving plastics to the enterprises, because we know very well that an oil crisis is coming, especially if Levant implodes and it escalates into a regional crisis. Let them throw all their money into building out the industry right before the crash and then claw back some of their power when they go under.
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if we go for developing petrochemicals though that could put us in a really good position once the oil crisis hits
 
Blackstar said:
Already the effort has achieved both international and domestic attention from important cadres popularizing the view that the Soviet system is willing to decisively act on ecological causes.
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I can't wait to see their reaction once we have the River Reversal up and running.

Besides that here are my personal opinions:

[]Let Enterprises Take Initiative: The current profitability of plastic production and the demand for plastics production is the best argument to allow incentive funds to do their work. Every enterprise is expected to surge funding into plastics development and increasing production with only simple regulations needing to be cleared to enable significant gains in production. As long as investment is constant the ministry can focus on other matters through the next plan, working primarily on the development of other areas of production and energy security. (Locks out CI Focus)

We already have enough on our plate we don't need to shift focus even more.

[]Reversal of the Northern Rivers: Starting the program in the next plan will involve the construction of the fully proposed Ob-Irtysh hydroelectric cascade as a first step with the further preparation of canal work. The heavy construction program would continue at full pace for the next few years to link the rivers as the project itself was initiated in full in approximately 1985. This in total would be the largest industrial measure ever undertaken by a nation and would redefine the use of energy and water across a broad region of the planet. Transfer potential is expected to be in the order of forty cubic kilometers of water per annum, transferring demand away from the Aral and providing enough water to maintain current levels of industrial activity. Additional efficiency programs would be implemented to continue growth, effectively avoiding major disruptions. (3 Infrastructure dice across the 10th and 2 the 11th Plan) (-380 RpY Modified by Steel Prices) (+300 Electricity -8 Non-Ferrous in 1980) (+2 Petroleum fuels per Year 1977-1981)

Go big or go home.
 
Again, the big problem with the unmodified proposal is that it involves dumping the majority of our most toxic industrial pollution into water that we'll then be giving our people to drink and water their crops with. The modified proposal sacrifices a small amount of efficiency for the sake of continuing to dump those heavy metals and toxic hydrocarbons into the arctic.
 
Blackstar said:
Efficient sorting and processing of hundreds of tons of chicken production waste along with improvements in both variety and feed efficiency have continued. Localized mass production facilities are adequate for the production of lower-grade fertilizers as a bulk processing system with runoff maceration yields cooked into food to increase protein content along with soy scraps.
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Industrial chicken farming is heinous. Apparently poultry don't get prion disease like sheep or cattle do, but it's still kind of horrible despite not being a public health crisis time bomb.

Lovely update and well done on the game as a whole. I've spent the past few weeks reading up to present, and it's been lots of fun!
 
Basically, re: river reversal:

Committee: trying to kill the plan (and our career)

Unmodified: the cheapass way of doing it, looks slightly better on the balance sheets until everyone in near and central asia starts dying of chrome plated intestines.

Modified: more expensive, less efficient, but doesn't chrome anyone's colon.
 
Well we are not burning a hole in the ozone layer but the politicians want us to dump our god awful industrial runoff into the water supply. At least the rural regions are getting some attention.
 
If we do the unmodified one I guarantee the politicians will blame us for it when the millions of people that depend on that river complain enough to them about it.
 
Oh America is still doing great in this quest. LBJ still got in power in 1960 , and in this timeline the master of the senate didn't have Kennedy rejecting all his advice and slowing things down. America got civil rights and all the great society programs earlier. The poverty rate dropped like a stone, just like IRL... and then he got a second term to keep it all going, and his handpicked successor got a third term after that. America basically had a second FDR.
A guy that was farther to the right than Richard Nixon is now in power and trying to wreck it all, but that will take a long time.....well, also it sounds like they just murdered every socialist in Chile, but that was an IRL thing too.
 
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KingCrimson1081 said:
To paraphrase Cyberpunk people need to chrome up.
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The LD/50 for chromium is 27.5 miligrams per kilogram of body mass repeated intermitently, and less than a tenth of that can cause cancer. Increase the dose a few times and it'll kill through the skin. It's one of the most toxic elements there is. Mercury is similar. We'd be dumping both in vast quantities into our own drinking water.

The push for unmodified river reversal in the supsov is motivated by the delusion that we'll be able to farm in the russian far north as climate change progresses, a push driven by people who don't realize that when the permafrost melts the soil there will remain basically worthless for any agricultural activities for multiple centuries.

Unmodified kills our own citizens. Modified kills walruses.
 
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plotvitalnpc said:
The LD/50 for chromium is 27.5 miligrams per kilogram of body mass repeated intermitently, and less than a tenth of that can cause cancer. Increase the dose a few times and it'll kill through the skin. It's one of the most toxic elements there is. Mercury is similar. We'd be dumping both in vast quantities into our own drinking water.

The push for unmodified river reversal in the supsov is motivated by the delusion that we'll be able to farm in the russian far north as climate change progresses, a push driven by people who don't realize that when the permafrost melts the soil there will remain basically worthless for any agricultural activities for multiple centuries.

Unmodified kills our own citizens. Modified kills walruses.
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I mean, I think we can all agree Walrus's are more important then people :V
 
Ultrackius said:
I mean, I think we can all agree Walrus's are more important then people :V
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Well, let me put something else on the scales before we make any hasty conclusions: if we do the unmodified river reversal the caspian sturgeon population will go extinct, and the caviar supply will collapse. The supsov will absolutely not accept that result.
 
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Phalfpipe said:
Oh America is still doing great in this quest. LBJ still got in power in 1960 , and in this timeline the master of the senate didn't have Kennedy rejecting all his advice and slowing things down. America got civil rights and all the great society programs earlier. The poverty rate dropped like a stone, just like IRL... and then he got a second term to keep it all going, and his handpicked successor got a third term after that. America basically had a second FDR.
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Well that is good to hear I guess the unreliable narrator bits were just getting to me then.
 
Do not put toxic waste in the water that the Party's caviar comes from. Modified RR is the only real option imo.

Personally I'm super excited to see what happens from here, I feel like RR is taking us into science fiction territory.
 
Ultrackius said:
no real opinion between all the stuff and just plastics but absolutely we cannot leave it to the blasted enterprises
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no, we definitely can. They just won't expand compared to if we do another chemical plan. (which we won't). Service transition is already going to be painful and ignoring it will make it worse so we really can't do Light Industry either. We also need a slower growth next plan to cool off. Infra is taken as well due to river reversal.
 
Ultrackius said:
no real opinion between all the stuff and just plastics but absolutely we cannot leave it to the blasted enterprises
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Bad news, the choice isn't enterprises vs. no enterprises. It's give the enterprises vast piles of extra money vs. just cut some regulations and call it a day, the enterprises are going to be running the show either way. If you're anti-manager then []Let Enterprises Take Initiative is what gives them the least, the other options call for increasing their funding and prominence further while this is just letting things lie.
 
We need to improve rubber production as well as plastic production if we want to be able to move the water we're rerouting to its new home, and why not take max advance of a nat 100?

Also we really should do the modified proposal, eventually we're going to want new sources of heavy metals and we can start stripmining recently deposited Arctic sediments for cadmium, chromium and mercury.
 
The Sandman said:
We need to improve rubber production as well as plastic production if we want to be able to move the water we're rerouting to its new home, and why not take max advance of a nat 100?
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Not really, it's just concrete and earthmoving, there's no petrochemicals in river reversal. Or, well, plenty in the water but none in the actual infrastructure itself lol. And we don't have the money (or electricity) to actually fund any of the more advanced CI projects anyways.
 
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