From as strictly technical standpoint we're behind the US at the high end, particularly in computer tech even with our big investments. However we do have some advantages as our space program has been consistently both more ambitious and successful and Atommash is a massive technical accomplishment even if the US can have fancier reactors made bespoke.
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plotvitalnpc
Once more walking the path of the catgirl.
A fancy reactor is all well and good, but a mass produced reactor is bliss itself. Anything to keep the costs down without going to the insane cheapass levels of the RBMK, with its unique feature of being graphite moderated without any of the other design elements that can make for a good or safe graphite moderated reactor, while also not even being capable of burning natural uranium.
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Reacting to peeps now that I've time:
[1]Granted that's partly because single-digit rolls have made our rocket designers allergic to anything with an Earth-Orbit Rendezvous and scuppering our two boldest missions despite the RLA being ideal for that yes I am salty!
Have we been setting up to drink the immigration milk though? We have some immigration yes. But the thread collectively voted to pass over options open the tap further under Klimenko (which has worked out this labor-light plan). Ethical concerns about creating second class citizens definitely contributed, but it shows this thread is not super gung-ho about sucking up immigrants.
Welcome to the Ministry, Comrade MrRageQuit! FYI, Notgreat has a tool to generate spreadsheets that automatically does dice math, REALLY helping with plan-making. He typically posts shortly after an update drops. It's not a great plan as others have pointed out, I encourage you to pay more attention to electricity supplies and resource prices in the future.
What is the name of this plan a reference to?
Starting next turn with steel price 30 is not a problem, probably? The price bracket goes all the way down to 20, so being only half-way there should not shock the industry badly. Even if we somehow build nothing steel consuming in 1975, with the impact of construction expansion (and next plan will be an infra one) we wouldn't fall into the next bracket in 76.
Eeeeeeeh sorta. Our industry is not yet on quality par with the global leaders, but it's up there. There are things that still need fixing like our almost nonexistent sewer system and small towns seriously lacking amenities,
Passing up GLONASS is a non-option. We can just barely cram in that together with the launcher, but we'd pass up both the telescope and nuclear probes. We haven't done many cool missions despite our tech[1] andthere's demand in and out of universe for our space program to start delivering using the equipment we have rather than just investing in ever more advanced rockets.
[1]Granted that's partly because single-digit rolls have made our rocket designers allergic to anything with an Earth-Orbit Rendezvous and scuppering our two boldest missions despite the RLA being ideal for that yes I am salty!
I don't see how this refutes Dessard's point- if Agriculture is the first thing to hurt from water shortages, it stands to reason the farming enterprises will be the first to be happy when we pipe in bunch more water.
This man had quite the life! He's entirely an OC right? Is there any OTL basis from Lenin personally granting commercial concessions? Also, he's Armand is referred to as "Hammer" a couple times. Autocorrect?
I'm approval voting for this plan over Augmentic's solely because it has 4 dice on servicing the rurals.
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It is an issue because it forces us to chase after more steel consuming projects. Next turn we have a sharply decreased budget, and will want to focus on things that give us profit and help us fullfil the plan rather than investing in whatever consumes steel (and making sure it completes, which adds even further inefficiency, because if we roll badly and those projects don't come out quick enough our steel industry could be in trouble). We don't know how construction will affect steel demand, so I am uncomfortable not having much slack when steel prices are concerned.
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plotvitalnpc
Once more walking the path of the catgirl.
Well, the VVER isn't exactly a grand technological marvel, but building a shitload of VVERs is better than building a handful of AGRs or whatever.
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This as everything I wanted, including the sewer system!
How can we pretend to be a first world country and a serious alternative to capitalism if we use poop-truck and dump everything in rivers ?
This as everything I wanted, including the sewer system!
How can we pretend to be a first world country and a serious alternative to capitalism if we use poop-truck and dump everything in rivers ?
Yeah Atommash is more impressive for the scale than the technology itself, if we do actually utilize its full capacity in the future we'll install over 60 VVER-1000s every 5 years. For reference there's about 60 PWRs operating in the entire United States in OTL 2024, built over decades. The sheer scale of nuclear power output if Atommash operates at full capacity for a few decades is incomparable to anything that happened in real life.
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plotvitalnpc
Once more walking the path of the catgirl.
The incredible power of 'good enough' triumphing in place of 'perfect'.
By contrast, OTL Atommash operated pretty consistently at a rate of 1gw per year for the first four years of its operations. Our atomash (three years earlier than OTL) isn't four years old yet but I'm pretty sure it'll have produced more than 6gw by the time phase 3 comes online, and when it reaches full capacity it'll build 18+gw of capacity every year.
Also worth noting that the USA never built a PWR capable of 1.5gw electrical power. Current annual US nuclear power output is only a little north of 90GWe, so our full Atomash output would be equivalent to the entire US nuclear power industry twice a decade, more or less. 20 years at that rate and you'd leapfrog the entire modern world nuclear power industry - and in fact, the entire modern Russian power grid, though by no means the OTL US power grid.
We are, in fact, mashing the atoms up nicely to provide a clean future for the soviet workers.
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Here is hoping we don't role a nat 1 somewhere in there.
I did make an error in that post, we're producing VVER-1000, not 1500, but that's still over 60 GW of VVERs per FYP. Theoretical capacity of something closer to 70 actually I believe, but 60+ seems like a good minimum floor in case we lose the occasional core to bad luck, "learning experience" in manufacturing, sold to the Germans as a diplomatic stunt, etc.
plotvitalnpc
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Ah, point there.
Still...
Essentially, peak atomash will be us committing to supplying not just the USSR, nor even just our sphere, but anywhere willing to swallow their pride and accept a socialist-made nuclear power plant with enough electricity to choke on. Every five years of production could see enough reactors installed to save 24,000 metric tons of coal...per hour of peak operation, from a modern (rather than period) coal power plant. At 85% capacity factor (pessimistic), that's 178,704,000 tons of annual coal savings, per five years.
Or in direct electrical figures, it's 446,760 gigawatt hours of actual delivered electricity per year, out of 525,600 gigawatt hours installed capacity...every five years.
Assuming we never extended the license of any of our reactors and never improved our technology, peaking at around 30 years worth of reactors at any one time, with 360 installed gigawatts of nuclear power capacity, the annual coal consumption defrayed by nuclear power would be an entire gigaton, at 85% capacity factor. Or, put another way, an eighth of the modern world's entire annual coal consumption, and roughly a tenth of the modern world's total annual CO2 emissions.
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Our reactors can not go Chernobyl.
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plotvitalnpc
Once more walking the path of the catgirl.
The US nuclear power industry will also come off looking horrifically incompetent by comparison if they still manage to have a 3mi Island incident with one of their bespoke babies while the USSR is happily operating a fleet of dozens of mass-production power reactors without issue, and even if they averted that honestly minor incident it'd be a public humiliation to their program to be so many reactors behind 'the reds'. They'd be honorbound to up their own nuclear power game, I daresay.
If the USA had possessed 360 gwe of installed nuclear capacity in 1990 (preferentially replacing coal), why, the installed electrical capacity of the nation would have been 360gwe nuclear, 106gwe renewable, 141gwe natural gas, 80gwe petroleum and other, and just 47gwe coal.
If the USA had possessed 360 gwe of installed nuclear capacity in 1990 (preferentially replacing coal), why, the installed electrical capacity of the nation would have been 360gwe nuclear, 106gwe renewable, 141gwe natural gas, 80gwe petroleum and other, and just 47gwe coal.
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446.760 TWh/yr? That converts to 1340 in-game electricity units per 5YP, or 268 units per year, presumably for 3 autodice. That's pretty good, but at our rate of growth that will just barely replace coal power for new builds, if we run gas real hard. Well, if there's more atomash stages after the oil crisis we'll be running there.
Of course with the 5 year lead time next plan will be low on HI dice with both coal and nuclear autodice running. Hopefully gas and general reduced funding will let us avoid doing 3 autocoal that plan.
plotvitalnpc
Once more walking the path of the catgirl.
True enough. We're gonna end up using a lot more electricity than the OTL USSR, which peaked at just north of 320gwe installed capacity before it fell.