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Just because we send a force doesn't mean we will start shooting, we still have the option to desescalade.
Better back down from a position of strength then weakness
 
It's very sad that France is under the twin delusions that Algeria is part of their country, and that they are a large enough global player to interdict the shipping of a superpower.

Luckily, the USSR has spent quite a lot of money on their navy, and so are in a position to help poor France stop hallucinating.

Less glibly, if we let a second rate power interdict our shipping, then other second rate powers will get the impression that they can do the same thing, and that's not really acceptable for a whole host of reasons.
 
It's really dumb and high school locker brained, but that's how great power games are. If you let someone get away with something then others will do it in the future. For some things this is fine, for someone thinking they can mess with our trade not so much. Today it's Libya, tomorrow it'll be Namibia or the EAF.

So now's the time where we say "if you do this here is how we will respond" and set the example both for us and other powers where this might be attempted in the future.
 
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Are we coward to not even risk a chance to dance with (nuclear) death in solidarity with our brothers? Are we to fold simply a tyrant threaten us with annihilation? Are we not Soviet Men?
Stand up for your right, brothers! Stand up and defy the heaven! Stand up for international communism and free Algeria!


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For all those arguing moderation, to curtail our efforts so as to appease the imperialists, that theres a better time and place to support colonized peoples in their liberation. If not now, when?
 
MajorCringe said:
For all those arguing moderation, to curtail our efforts so as to appease the imperialists, that theres a better time and place to support colonized peoples in their liberation. If not now, when?
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When it's an actual attack against ones interests, rather then the locals deciding to attack another countries core territory and getting smacked for it. This is like one of the worst cases for anti-imperialism to choose because the other side could actually to some small extent claim it was started out of actual self defense for once. It's a struggle to come up with a much worse case for an attack against imperialism.

There's tons of better cases then this as such.


An alternate approach would be to keep smuggling weapons while upping diplomatic pressure to de-occupy the Algerian lands, as it is unreasonable to occupy them indefinitely. Then try to work out a a temporary settlement on the matter and try to convince the Algerians to at least be more subtle about the entire thing next time and that you shouldn't directly attack in to a nuclear armed great power that is far stronger then them. Like, they could run an insurrection program instead, it's a long long border between them after all.

None of the risks, same end result. And in this case it would look far more like the Algerians rising to free themselves, rather then a hostile nation invasion.


I hope that satisfies some of your curiosity on how an alternate plan for global engagement could look where one still creates consequences and can have real lines. The Cold war tended to use things like spheres of influence for that after all. Don't touch something firmly in anothers turf or the consequences won't be pretty.
 
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locals deciding to attack another countries core territory and getting smacked for it
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Why are people buying into France's claims of any part of Algeria being "French core territory". It's a settler colonial project, and therefore any form of Algerian resistance is valid and must be supported by the Soviet Union.


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Also telling people of another oppressed nation that how they're resisting is bad, and they should consider other methods is a wild take.

What's the point of being communist if we bend over backwards to satisfy the imperialists. What message does it send to France, all avoiding escalation does is ensure when another part of French Africa is revolting it will employ the same methods of blockading expecting it to work since the Soviet Union has shown to have no spine.
 
Genuinely curious how Blackstar will handle a potential nuclear war on the smallish scale, small meaning not WWIII, really wanna see what potential projects it opens up. Perhaps we could get a few projects to build civilian bunkers Fallout style.
 
SithM said:
Why are people buying into France's claims of any part of Algeria being "French core territory". It's a settler colonial project, and therefore any form of Algerian resistance is valid and must be supported by the Soviet Union.
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I don't think there are any people that particularly believe that claim. But it also doesn't matter. What is more important in a situation is instead the question, does France and the people in it believe the idea and will they act upon the question as if they believe in it. After all, that is what will create the actual response.

No one really believes some nation, imperialist power or otherwise, if it is shaking around nukes for some far off colony. But it's a different matter if you are invading their actual core lands of course. In that case many a person and nation gets a lot more tetchy.

SithM said:
What's the point of being communist if we bend over backwards to satisfy the imperialists. What message does it send to France, all avoiding escalation does is ensure when another part of French Africa is revolting it will employ the same methods of blockading expecting it to work since the Soviet Union has shown to have no spine.
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And this is just standard messaging one could hear all during the cold war. If we don't show them we're strong at 'x' then they'll keep doing it over and over everywhere 'in places we care more about'. The track record of that prediction was in practise not that good though, it turned out most nations took notice if some place was considered more important then another and realized there was less chance of bluffing.

Though it's worth noting the Soviets actually are colonial imperialists as well. All the Siberian lands and Central Asia, Caucasus, etc. Those are actually other peoples land they're forcibly colonizing. So if that bothers you so much, I guess you can wonder if the current USSR is actually even really properly communist enough. It is in the end some what still an imperialist colonial power in disguise after all.
 
KingCrimson1081 said:
Genuinely curious how Blackstar will handle a potential nuclear war on the smallish scale, small meaning not WWIII, really wanna see what potential projects it opens up. Perhaps we could get a few projects to build civilian bunkers Fallout style.
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I don't think there's going to be any of that. Any nuclear war probably means one more update and the end of the quest.
 
True but it's worth noting that that's because the questers decided to have a Nuclear War in Character Creation which is a different creature from stumbling into a Nuclear War here.
 
Quickshot0 said:
Though it's worth noting the Soviets actually are colonial imperialists as well. All the Siberian lands and Central Asia, Caucasus, etc. Those are actually other peoples land they're forcibly colonizing. So if that bothers you so much, I guess you can wonder if the current USSR is actually even really properly communist enough. It is in the end some what still an imperialist colonial power in disguise after all.
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God I have been thinking this but wasn't sure how to put into words about how hypocritical the whole anti-colonial stance everyone is taking considering how the USSR has squashed the cultures of their neighbors like Ukraine.
 
Quickshot0 said:
I don't think there are any people that particularly believe that claim. But it also doesn't matter. What is more important in a situation is instead the question, does France and the people in it believe the idea and will they act upon the question as if they believe in it. After all, that is what will create the actual response.
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You directly refer to parts of occupied Algeria as French core territory, and describe French genocidal actions against an anti-colonial effort to remove a settler colonial project as arguably self defense. Arguing that the Algerians should wait for their liberation, that they should do it in a way that is more pleasing to us, more 'subtle' is astonishing.
 
Since the vote is at this point slowing down and has a 4:1 lead, am going to call it and start rolling dice. When I get back from my grad school interview today I'll probably either write a normal update or start working on a further crisis turn.

[X]Send a Force
[X]Throw the Matter to the Supreme Soviet

Edit: Crisis Turn inbound, Mobilization orders are likely to start, WW3 is coming, congratulations.
Blackstar threw 2 100-faced dice. Reason: Sov, Fra Escalation Total: 79
11 11 68 68
Blackstar threw 2 100-faced dice. Reason: Fleet Combat, -30, 0 Total: 59
58 58 1 1
Blackstar threw 2 100-faced dice. Reason: US-SOV Red Telephone Total: 94
30 30 64 64
 
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