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What I'm hearing is we need to own America so hard that there won't be a Republican President for another 40 years.

Though honestly, what we need in immediate terms is for Klimenko's delusional belief that France is due to collapse to enter reality. They're currently sitting in the horrible nexus of "sane enough to survive" and "will nuke as a warning", any other government would be better.
 
The 70s OTL: The height of Detente
The 70s ATL: Detente? Lol, lmao even.

Well, it's time to bite the bullet and play the brinksmanship game, but we should obviously try to keep it as much in our control as possible, rather then hoping Le-Funni ethnosocialist* can be reasonable.

*Gaddafi never struck me as really a Marxist socialist OTL, and since this isn't the Long March's TL, I don't see him as being that different.

EDIT: Yep, just confirmed with Blackstar on discord: he's still a ethnosocialist with only vague-Marxist alignment. Don't give him the room to start WW3.
 
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Also fun fact: with no Korean War and a Vietnam war that ended almost immediately after the US got involved the US army is still on a conscription model.
 
For Algeria, this is the reason we've spent the past 30 years building a modern navy. If we don't use it to enforce our access to blue water shipping through international trade lanes then why the hell did we spend all that money on surface ships and Mediterranean naval bases? I think we've got like... at least a 90% chance of the French leaving it at some rammings and not escalating to surprise tactical nukes or whatever, and with a hawkish US President backing up a hawkish French Republic then backing down is going to embolden them to push again next time rather than being content.
 
The more I think about it, the more I say; send in the Navy. America's gone hawkish and betting on us backing down. France is betting we back down. Let's prove them wrong. Hell, let's screw around with the rest of France's empire while we're at it (supplying them with arms, that is, not send in the navy. That would be an open declaration of war).

But I still say we shouldn't give Gaddafi anti-shipping missiles. He can get something to invade Chad with, sure, but that's it.
 
Looking at this politically I'm curious where Babkov and the MFA stands since he wasn't mentioned. I assume with sending the warships in. Also I assume the missiles being sent to Gadafi wasn't a Klim original idea? Or does Klim yearn to send some of the French navy to the bottom of the Mediterranean?
 
Kirai said:
Also I assume the missiles being sent to Gadafi wasn't a Klim original idea? Or does Klim yearn to send some of the French navy to the bottom of the Mediterranean?
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Why would it be Klimenko's idea? He's the minister of the economy, drafting possible responses to a proxy conflict isn't part of the job description or his area of expertise.

This option was likely proposed by Babbkov, considering the foreign minister is noted for being a hawk. Might even part of an anchoring strategy to get a more pushy response, you give 2 undesirable options (suck it up or give a irresponsible ally direct attack capability against France) so the others settle for the sensible middle ground, the response you actually want.
 
Red Rationalist said:
Why would it be Klimenko's idea? He's the minister of the economy, drafting possible responses to a proxy conflict isn't part of the job description or his area of expertise.
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He is part of the Poliburo and is an important politician, I don't know for sure if this is his ideia specifically, but well, I don't think its that much of a stretch for him to make such proposals.
 
Vi'Talzin said:
He is part of the Poliburo and is an important politician, I don't know for sure of this is his ideia specifically, but well, I don't think its that much of a stretch for him to make such proposals.
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I would expect him to make suggestions when it comes to diplomatic issues that intersect with the economy (sanctions, foreign aid, economic ties, european unrest and so on). When it comes to matters of escalation, arming proxies and diplomacy, he would probably be rather out of his depth and thus let other people suggest things.
 
Vi'Talzin said:
Pushing for bad takes on stuff you don't know or have expertise over is a staple of any political system!
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Fair point, I guess. I'm just guessing the polit-buero is acting out how this usually goes: Nation encounters a diplomatic event, everyone throws their hands up and asks "What do we now?" and the foreign ministry presents a menu of different responses, subtly trying to get everybody on board with their actual plan while doing their very best to look like impartial on the topic, with the debate being between the options already proposed. With the military or the spooks getting some input.
I don't get the vibe that Klimenko would actually risk political capital on diplomatic suggestions that he can't really evaluate, he's not highly ambitious or reckless.
 
Still catching up, honestly liking Voz so far, very fun character voice and I don't have as visceral a reaction about his reform proposals

Still holding out hope for an eventual leftist counterculture revival but wow I forgot how well written alot of this was

Aside from that, my only big sads are no Mao or Hoxha, and it seems Italy is going to be firmly western

Idk how foreign policy will develop eventually but atm the main thing is China fighting Vietnam and I think we should give them nukes maybe, I see no potentially downside :V
 
Ultrackius said:
Aside from that, my only big sads are no Mao or Hoxha, and it seems Italy is going to be firmly western
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Honestly, it´s probably for the best since we are doing enough revisionism to make Deng blush.
Ultrackius said:
Idk how foreign policy will develop eventually but atm the main thing is China fighting Vietnam and I think we should give them nukes maybe, I see no potentially downside :V
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I mean it worked for India and Pakistan in OTL.
 
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Blackstar said:
ESA: Improving ministry capacity has always been politically challenging, but with the incorporation of several of the latest machines a narrowing of personnel is possible. The full digitization of records remains impossible but several aspects can be improved. Calculating power will be made universally available through the procurement of a massive number of desktop units, automating significant amounts of labor. Further work towards improving the ministry will involve the purchase of almost ten thousand facsimile machines. These will primarily take over from the old system of sending letters, enabling every branch of the ministry to work more efficiently. (247+15 Cannon Omake/250) (Completed) (+2 Free Dice, +1 Infrastructure Dice) (+2 Educated Labor) (+50 RpT)
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Oh wow, three dice and RpT? That paid off nicely! How much did we spend to complete it, overall? :0
 
De escalation is hard but worth the difficulty often enough
While cold war gone hot would be funni it would be the end of the quest most likely...
 
Rockeye said:
De escalation is hard but worth the difficulty often enough
While cold war gone hot would be funni it would be the end of the quest most likely...
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No reason why we should be the de-escalatng side.

Not when it is clear that the dying colonialism is just going to continously cause destabilization, conflicts, and deaths.

Also, we are just trying to uphold an International norm.
 
Yeah, geopolitics is a prisoner's dilemma. When we know the US is going to betray or cooperate, we're obligated to respond the same.
 
General_Urist said:
This seems simple enough. But I know nothing about space stations. What's the catch? "single module" being a bad idea?
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I'm not entirely sure but I think the "problem" with the station program isn't that it's a bad engineering idea/impossible technical challenge (like most of our other low rolls) but rather that it's too conservative. A disposable tin can that's good for a single three month use is entirely doable, in fact it's so doable that it's basically just an extended duration FGB-VA which we're already doing. Especially with the high roll on inflatables, if the FGB-VA + inflatable module works out we can get something as good or better than the tin can for 15 RpT instead of 25 RpT. So the bad program design here is being too conservative and spending a lot of money to not actually gain many new capabilities in the near to medium term.

I think we should just eat the cost and keep the station program running if we want to remain committed to human spaceflight, since it does say they eventually plan to build more permanent stations after proving the concept with the disposable tin can. But the conservative project design means that we're just kinda spinning our wheels for the first 5ish years or however long it takes to move on to a second generation.
 
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