Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition

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we should just cancel the Mars project, we have better uses for the budget than white elephant space rocks. We can revisit it later with better tech.

Also annoyed that atommash got off to a slow start, we should either let Junior release the report or help him massage it to build political support for nuke power
 
Well at least hope the army will help with the concerning resource report since they there fuel line being under stress should certainly scare them?
 
[]Incorporate Nuclear Propulsion
I am totally for going for nuclear propulsion, but we should go with the expectation that this will be a money sink that will endlessly delay the Mars program and go overbudget. Its a great way to divert funds for nuclear engine R&D, but its overly technically ambitious for the program itself imo.

If we want to spend that money on a station program or something instead of doing nuclear engines and bespoke RLA modifications, we should send it to committee or cancel it.
 
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Whatever Mad Bird Monkey Pox abomination that comes from this will be biblical

in this timeline H5n1 will originate because ussr's chicken farms and hey then we use this as rationale for expanding our medical tech base up

now vote wise I'm of a mind to reword the report and use this to help justify atommash among other things
and maybe we can drop the full unredacted report at a later date or in private to push some people along

sending the mars program to a committee so they can plan around and respond in real-ish time to rapidly developing tech in rockets and electronics

and then I'm keen on the centrist Koykolainen
not groundbreaking but hey he's competent and can help keep things trucking along (maybe literally even)
But Solovyov does seem like a good choice I'd we do a light industry focus as others suggest
light industry and infrastructure focuses
or light industry and services are my thoughts if we do one
 
Personally i say either trust Bala as he so far has shown he seems to know what he is doing or just reword the report as in my estimation it going out is going to be enough to hopefully justify a policy shift about less growth needed next plan
 
Personally i say either trust Bala as he so far has shown he seems to know what he is doing or just reword the report as in my estimation it going out is going to be enough to hopefully justify a policy shift about less growth needed next plan
Would be nice to have the ability to focus on fixing some old "wounds" instead of having to figure out how to cover them with whatever the rotten cabbages new brain worm variety of the plan is.
 
From its performance in the Algerian war, several negative qualities have been noticed about the current BMP-1. Theoretically, adequate protection has not proven to be sufficient for several engagement profiles and side vulnerability has been exploited several times. Further, the fuel packing along with the density of munitions leaves the vehicle vulnerable to any significant penetrating hit, destabilizing the ammunition and leading to a conflagration. The commander's position itself has also proven problematic as the lower position and lack of situational awareness have posed a significant limitation in combat. Current models are to receive thickened frontal armor to protect better against improved 20mm rounds along with new night sights but far more needs to be done to modernize the armored force. A new version of the BMP has effectively been called for, requiring a two-man turret and the total separation of the fighting and crew compartment with provisions to improve the safety of internally carried missiles.
This would be a pretty radical replacement of the BMP. Basically a drive to a more modern level of IFV protection but on a wholly new platform, unlike most modern IFVs that started out being protected like BMP but acquired their current level of protection in add-on armor packages.
The T52 has performed acceptably in Algeria but it has failed to measure up to lighter and more mobile vehicles. For all of the improvements provided to the T52M1, the tank itself has likely reached the end of its reasonable modernization potential in Soviet service. Armor additions have been considered to keep pace with American progress in kinetic projectiles but as the tank already has protection issues further modernizations have been placed on hold. Improved warheads on the American tow system are expected to be issued in the next few years, rendering the additional armor packages of both the M1 and U models obsolete in short order. Anti-cumulative packages are planned to be further extended with the mounting of slat armor across the sides, providing some protection against imperfect impacts. To improve the design's anti-tank potential a further modernization of its standard round has been started with an expanded armor-piercing cap to increase vulnerability areas of American armor and to threaten new variations of the Chieftain in defensive positions.
Impressive that the T52 upgrade packages have been able to keep it competitively protected until this point.
To bring the T64 to a reliable and economical state a new series of modifications to the chassis has been pioneered by an LKZ team to both improve protection and reduce costs of production. KhPZ has advocated for the further modernization of the compact engine system and the maintenance of the same transmission but several simplification measures are still necessary to convert plants previously producing the T52U, the largest change to the design is a move to a more reliable 900 horsepower V12 engine. To keep engine space down the transmission has been integrated into a unified power pack, linking to tank controls and allowing the rapid replacement of the entire propulsion section. To modernize the armor, a new composition of sintered quartz has been developed for the turret, enhancing protection on the front aspect while reducing costs. To keep pace with the development of Western cumulative munitions, an alternative layering of the front armor has been implemented along with more resilient improved hardness steel. Only a prototype has so far been made but mass production is expected to start by 1974.

The T-64 is expected to further receive a new enlarged capped kinetic round, providing an improvement to penetration and ensuring that the newest enemy armored threats can be fought. The older variants with the 130mm gun have also received new ammunition along with the remainder of T3 tanks in service, providing them adequate penetration capability against more modern armor. Work on more advanced image amplification complexes is not yet complete and ready to be fielded on the current generation of armor, but it is fully expected that combat-effective passive night sights will be available before the end of the decade. Taking lessons from the Algerian conflict improvements have been made in the commander's position, incorporating a full visibility cupola and a more flexible seat allowing for a low-turnout position and low-activity areas of a front. The new NSV machine gun has also been prioritized for mounting, further reducing costs and improving the reliability of a vehicle.
T64 upgrade program taking on the armor scheme from the historical T-72A program, which is a pretty big advance over the historical T-64B that mostly replicated the T-64A's armor. Big advance in engine power with the new engine and better maintainability. The new dart sounds like the late 70's work on improving capped WC cored darts.
With the rising Western combat potential and likely adoption of the 120mm British gun across all chassis with updated munitions a new generation of armor is necessary. As Germany has already re-developed a competent armor industry in the aftermath of the war, the project itself has been pushed ahead as a cooperative measure with several guidelines. First, the new vehicle must have the power to weigh to match the new American Tank-1970 system. Second, the vehicle must allow for the storage of forty rounds of ammunition in a minimal frontal area configuration to minimize conflagration threats. Frontal protection of the new vehicle needs to be sufficient to deter theoretical tungsten core and enlarged tip rounds on the estimated upper energy envelope from the L11 gun. The percentage of lightly armored surfaces in the design must be minimized with thought placed into suboptimal engagement angles to maintain frontal arc protection even in a suboptimal placement of armor. Evolutionary improvements for the T64B are expected to be transferred over along with a new gunner sighting complex to reduce engagement times and enhance accuracy against high traversal targets.
Apparently T64 spooked the West so badly that it got them to adopt the L11 gun despite that weapon having some serious issues. That will hang around them as an albatross for some time. But that the USSR is entering into a cooperative arms program with Germany highlights how different relations with CMEA are from the Warsaw Pact. Actual specifications point to something a bit bigger than T64 or T52 given the requirement for 40 rounds presumably in the autoloader and eliminating of any vulnerable areas, meaning the tank will need a hull and turret design that doesn't force the compromises around the drivers hatch and gun mounting.
Continuous modernization has further not spared the limited number of 130mm guns in service as their exceptionally long range has not justified the use of a unique caliber. To address the issue a long barrel 152mm gun has been developed to share some shell commonality with the D20 gun. The new 2S7 system is effectively the 2A36 gun mounted to an enclosed mechanized platform based on an effectively unarmored T52 suspension with an enlarged engine. Enlarged charges enable the new system to engage at ranges never before used with conventional gun artillery, allowing several conventionally resistant positions in the second echelon to be brought under fire. The assisted turret loader has allowed for the reduction of crew to a five-man setup, allowing a continuity of fire until stores are depleted or a relocation is ordered to move to a new fire position. Nuclear munitions have also started development to provide additional fire capability though they are not expected to be technically mature for at least a few more years.
Apparently even longer range than the OTL 2A36/2S5 system given it outranges the 130mm. Enclosed gun and ammunition compatibility makes me think that this might end up just directly replacing the 2S3 at some point.
To accompany the 9M114 missile system a new generation of helicopter has entered development with several revisions. The necessity of both troop transportation capacity self defense along with the multitude of front-line roles a helicopter can be forced into has led to something of a unified design. An enlarged carrying capacity can benefit the mounting of a series of heavy underslung ATGM in a gunship role while allowing lighter mountings to be used for the transportation of soldiers and wounded. This has led to some compromises with a large fuselage acting as a partial lifting body and prioritizing protection for the turbine, rotor, and flight controls over the cargo section. Further, the two-man arrangement of the crew has been adapted with the gunner receiving control over the missile system through an electro-optical system directly derived from the Mig-23B prototype. As the 9M114 system is immature, current plans call for a mixed armament across six pylons with an interchangeable series of rockets, bombs, Kh-23Ms, Kh-25s, or quad mountings of the simpler 9M113.
Hind, but with broader armament integration. I wonder if we'll see a Sea Hind using those missile mounts to do control and air defense suppression off of some theoretical amphib. Having an attack system ready will be a big help even if this is only starting when Hind was introduced, the comparable gunship hinds didn't enter service until the mid 70's.
 
The AKMS and its variations have received mild weight reductions from the move towards lighter aluminum magazines but a far more comprehensive overhaul is still necessary. The current contest is still underway with rifles ranging from conventional layouts to more advanced recoil management systems to provide more effective fire in unstable positions. All of the designs are based on the 5.45x39 cartridge so that far more ammunition can be carried by the average soldier especially when combined with a steel-reinforced fiberglass magazine. Side rails have been mandated, deriving from the SVD system as a reliable platform for the mounting of complex optics. Expected combat-zeroing ranges of the new rifle system are over four hundred meters, providing extended capacity for engagement under frontline conditions.
So the folding stock is standard now, and... oh neat. AKM didn't get siderails until night vision scopes got added. We're definitely ahead of the West in this regard... if it can hold zero. If it's crap that's gonna jiggle around, it's just gonna get ripped off.
Modernizations to the RPG-18 complex have involved the replacement of the sighting system for improved ranging and increasing the reliability of engagements outside one hundred meters. In a high armor environment, it is expected that all riflemen will carry the newly modernized RPG-18M.
.... OK, hold a sec, need to pop off.

Who let Comrade Dipshit here play Helldivers 2? You two are going to be running a race to Siberia, winner gets to lie in the grave that the loser digs!/s

No. Just no. I don't care how light the launcher is, I don't care what folded Stalinium you make it out of, that's weight. A basic, rifle-toting infantryman is already carrying just shy of a hundred pounds of equipment. And that's stuff he needs to exist on deployment. Now someone got a visit from the Good Idea Fairy, and wants everyone to have a rocket launcher. Also, no they're not going to be riding everywhere like a celebrity, there'll be plenty of walking around, especially if they are sent to Afghanistan or some place that isn't friendly to vehicles. And when you're doing that much walking around, even a few pounds can feel terrible. A big part of the reason the Marines got clever to adopt a modified HK416: It's significantly lighter than everything else going around.

I can absolutely guarantee that soldiers are going to dump that shit and its new heavier sight on the side of the road, or just make the newest guy carry everyone else's until he looks like the world's smallest MLRS.
The largest lessons learned from the Second Algerian War have involved the use of anti-tank missiles and the effect of their presence on the battlefield. Infantry has received a weapon that can threaten armor at long range that is both portable and capable of accurately engaging with few options available to armored forces to fight against it. The 9M111 system has proven to be adequate as a light ATGM but limited in that a three-man team is still required for the transport of the full system. To address several issues in the design and enhance close-in fire capability an in-container booster has been added to the system bringing it in line with the 9M113. This has extended the range of the missile to almost two and a half kilometers while avoiding changing the necessary layout of anti-tank teams despite a weight addition. On the heavy end, a kinetic improvement to the 9M113 has yielded a range extension to almost four kilometers along with a greater resistance to slat armor schemes. With the booster incorporated, both systems can confidently engage targets at ranges beyond one hundred meters, minimizing the threat from close in armor.
Hm... Like, I'm not mad they want one guy to carry the system and one guy to haul the ammo like an LMG team. It's just... if they're going to all that extent, what about mortars? Soviet army loves its mortars to help infantry move and attack, so wouldn't making a system that a smaller team can handle be a good thing?

Also, this is pretty much the performance of both missile systems in their modern/90s configuration. Except the Konkurs, that's a new thing. Unless "Kinetic improvement" is meant to refer to the tandem charge probe model.
The large promise of a 100mm gun on an amphibious platform with better protection is expected to be revolutionary for airborne, marine, and recon units. The largest gains of the new vehicle involve improved protection, offering defense against armor-piercing 20mm across the frontal arc and defense against 12.7mm American armor piercing from the sides and rear at ranges above three hundred meters.
That's cool and all. But question for the airborne version: what aircraft are you dropping that new heavier vehicle out of?
With the rising Western combat potential and likely adoption of the 120mm British gun across all chassis with updated munitions a new generation of armor is necessary. As Germany has already re-developed a competent armor industry in the aftermath of the war, the project itself has been pushed ahead as a cooperative measure with several guidelines.
1. Oh no, I can already hear the J- *Propoganda Intensifies*
2. Out of concern for 'certain trends' continuing from the pre-war establishment, a sign has been hung over the break room for the design engineers. "Before you put in a gun or armor scheme the transmission cannot support, remember that we know where your father is buried."
Continuous modernization has further not spared the limited number of 130mm guns in service as their exceptionally long range has not justified the use of a unique caliber. To address the issue a long barrel 152mm gun has been developed to share some shell commonality with the D20 gun. The new 2S7 system is effectively the 2A36 gun mounted to an enclosed mechanized platform based on an effectively unarmored T52 suspension with an enlarged engine. Enlarged charges enable the new system to engage at ranges never before used with conventional gun artillery, allowing several conventionally resistant positions in the second echelon to be brought under fire. The assisted turret loader has allowed for the reduction of crew to a five-man setup, allowing a continuity of fire until stores are depleted or a relocation is ordered to move to a new fire position. Nuclear munitions have also started development to provide additional fire capability though they are not expected to be technically mature for at least a few more years.
Damn, that pretty modern! An enclosed, rotating self-propelled gun basically didn't exist between the 2S3 and the 2S19. A 1989 vehicle.
Most ambitiously, Balakirev in his report argues for the offsetting of conventional energy resources through new technologies, with nuclear energy advanced in tandem with modern gas plants.
... If you build them properly, and operate them correctly, then nuclear power's great.

But if you fuck up, pop in your Fallout soundtrack.
To conduct a viable Mars landing and return a sufficient number of samples to Earth a launch system larger than previously conceived of will have to be used. The mission itself has been planned with an orbital rendezvous of a boosting section that will propel a heavy lander into an intercept trajectory with a pre-prepared return vehicle. After landing the mission plan calls for the drilling of two separate samples across parallel drills to a few meters in depth, providing material for analysis through the entire crust and bringing back several kilograms of samples for earth-based analysis. Flying the mission itself will inherently be technically ambitious but without either a nuclear engine or heavier rocket a single launch sample return of sufficient volume is unlikely to be possible.
... Fuck it. We Ball. Get Jebadiah, let's KSP this shit!
Expansion of the block program of launch has gone ahead with few issues, opening payload slots on additional RLA rockets and effectively allowing the free bidding for launch capacity from any CMEA nations. The Germans have so far led the effort with several scientific payloads booked out on launches through 1973 and 1974 through a Czechoslovak and Polish payload that is expected to be launched fairly shortly after, bringing the nations in the block space access.
The Germans have so far led the effort with several scientific payloads
... Can I make an Von Braun joke on this, or did the Germans not invent the V2 in this timeline? I seem to forget.
 
This would be a pretty radical replacement of the BMP. Basically a drive to a more modern level of IFV protection but on a wholly new platform, unlike most modern IFVs that started out being protected like BMP but acquired their current level of protection in add-on armor packages.
Kinda, it's more a recognition that the BMP is not the best and a bit of an unreliable fire box with a lot of vulnerabilities, the worst of which is the commander position in the hull having poor visibility especially when operating buttoned up. It's less armoring and more trying to stuff the ATGM's lower in the hull along with keeping the ammo isolated to improve crew survivability all while putting enough frontal armor on it to resist 20mm APDS. Along with well, eventually moving to a heavier main armament to keep pace with western first-generation IFVs.

Apparently T64 spooked the West so badly that it got them to adopt the L11 gun despite that weapon having some serious issues. That will hang around them as an albatross for some time. But that the USSR is entering into a cooperative arms program with Germany highlights how different relations with CMEA are from the Warsaw Pact. Actual specifications point to something a bit bigger than T64 or T52 given the requirement for 40 rounds presumably in the autoloader and eliminating of any vulnerable areas, meaning the tank will need a hull and turret design that doesn't force the compromises around the drivers hatch and gun mounting.

To an extent, this is you panicking about a fantasy Western tank that is unlikely to appear any time soon combining the qualities of a 120mm gun with APFSDS and a high-power diesel engine. Something similar won't exist until the literal 80's but you're expecting a more aggressive adoption of things along with misjudging the Cheiftan's turret as composite-compatible in the near term well before it is fit with composites. The 40-round requirement is not exclusively in the AZ, just in the lower hull and compartmentalized, something along the lines of 26 in a flat AZ plus 6 rounds in a rear diesel tank that hugs it plus charge/sabots resting in both of the frontal fuel tanks as a wet ammo rack in a maximum ammo configuration to keep everything at least in a wet rack. Or some of the stranger layouts with a higher mounted massive 30-round AZ ala 225/226 and additional ammunition lower in the tank.

Apparently even longer range than the OTL 2A36/2S5 system given it outranges the 130mm. Enclosed gun and ammunition compatibility makes me think that this might end up just directly replacing the 2S3 at some point.

It's not that it has a longer range, it's that the longer range for non-rocket-assisted rounds isn't judged as worth it compared to a unified caliber and a unified system of munitions with rocket-assisted rounds and MLRS used for longer-range counter-battery missions.

It seems like we're in a good position then if it's positive on all fronts. I wonder what the difference is between these positive reports coming upwards and the reality on the ground.

Broadly, reliability, limited ability to deliver on any of the prototypes, and well the ideal design requirements partially running away from what the armaments ministry could actually deliver.
 
Who let Comrade Dipshit here play Helldivers 2? You two are going to be running a race to Siberia, winner gets to lie in the grave that the loser digs!/s

No. Just no. I don't care how light the launcher is, I don't care what folded Stalinium you make it out of, that's weight. A basic, rifle-toting infantryman is already carrying just shy of a hundred pounds of equipment. And that's stuff he needs to exist on deployment. Now someone got a visit from the Good Idea Fairy, and wants everyone to have a rocket launcher. Also, no they're not going to be riding everywhere like a celebrity, there'll be plenty of walking around, especially if they are sent to Afghanistan or some place that isn't friendly to vehicles. And when you're doing that much walking around, even a few pounds can feel terrible. A big part of the reason the Marines got clever to adopt a modified HK416: It's significantly lighter than everything else going around.

I can absolutely guarantee that soldiers are going to dump that shit and its new heavier sight on the side of the road, or just make the newest guy carry everyone else's until he looks like the world's smallest MLRS.
To an extent, this is the norm for Cold War infantry, body armor in a non-shrapnel sense hasn't even been issued yet, and to an extent, this is just paralleling Western developments from a similar time where in high armor environments everyone was expected to at least pack a M72 LAW or LAW-80 if British and wanting to suffer through the 90s. It's a the French are here with way too many tanks and they are crossing into Germany/border units that are trying to hold. Afghanistan/other areas are well, not expected to be high armor environments when you'd issue out disposable light RPGs like the RPG fairy just came to town.

Hm... Like, I'm not mad they want one guy to carry the system and one guy to haul the ammo like an LMG team. It's just... if they're going to all that extent, what about mortars? Soviet army loves its mortars to help infantry move and attack, so wouldn't making a system that a smaller team can handle be a good thing?

Also, this is pretty much the performance of both missile systems in their modern/90s configuration. Except the Konkurs, that's a new thing. Unless "Kinetic improvement" is meant to refer to the tandem charge probe model.
It's much more boring than that, it's an initial boost charge attached to the ATGM in the tube so that it shoots out fast and doesn't need to slowly accelerate itself to combat velocity.

That's cool and all. But question for the airborne version: what aircraft are you dropping that new heavier vehicle out of?
Two in an An-22, one in an An-12, or two in the upcoming not IL-76.

... Can I make an Von Braun joke on this, or did the Germans not invent the V2 in this timeline? I seem to forget.
Germans did make them, then worked for you since they were clear secret communist party sympathizers looking to divert wartime German resources away from the war machine. Also, you ended up just paying them a bunch to build rockets and rapidly expand your initial rocketry program.
 
We should look into nuclear power for industrial and civilian uses and save oil for military, fertilizers and various chemicals. We need to look into improving relations with oil and gas producers not aligned with the West.
 
We should look into nuclear power for industrial and civilian uses and save oil for military, fertilizers and various chemicals. We need to look into improving relations with oil and gas producers not aligned with the West.
Don't know who exactly but those areas would be Africa and parts of the Middle East that the West hasn't taken or can't stop them from selling to anyone aka Saudi Arabia?
 
Germans did make them, then worked for you since they were clear secret communist party sympathizers looking to divert wartime German resources away from the war machine. Also, you ended up just paying them a bunch to build rockets and rapidly expand your initial rocketry program.
... OK, so Von Braun definitely got thrown out of the rocket club and sent to the front.
To an extent, this is the norm for Cold War infantry, body armor in a non-shrapnel sense hasn't even been issued yet, and to an extent, this is just paralleling Western developments from a similar time where in high armor environments everyone was expected to at least pack a M72 LAW or LAW-80 if British and wanting to suffer through the 90s. It's a the French are here with way too many tanks and they are crossing into Germany/border units that are trying to hold. Afghanistan/other areas are well, not expected to be high armor environments when you'd issue out disposable light RPGs like the RPG fairy just came to town.
Sounds like a "Don't worry about the weight, you're not gonna be walking far" kamikaze style fatalism. But hey, the 60s and 70s in Europe were a wierd time.
Two in an An-22, one in an An-12, or two in the upcoming not IL-76.
Well, our aviation industry is pretty ahead of the west, so I don't feel too bad about that.
 
Military development at the best of times is still full of White lies, like the best militarys out there expect it because they plan out scrapping a ton of stuff off the weapon they decide to get so they can actually afford to get them in reliable numbers, so no need to panic too much?
 
I figured it might be useful to give one point of view on what the various options mean.
[]Cancel It: Orbital rendezvous remains a technical challenge and was the primary cause for the cancellation of the manned moon program. Despite improving technology the approach just is not viable for further exploration, limiting what can be done. Canceling the project in its entirety will not be popular but better to cancel it before any money is spent on it.
The simple option I guess, pull the money back for other space activities instead. We are getting an extra 10rp increase as well, so there'd certainly be some budget available from that. Apparently it's a some what higher profile mission though, so would hurt popularity a little I guess.

I'm not entirely convinced of the technical argument though. After all the Moon program was actually cancelled for being to slow to reach the goal and so the USA potentially beating the USSR after all. But I guess technical issues was the excuse given to the general public...
[]Incorporate Nuclear Propulsion: Advanced technical work on a high-temperature high-temperature ribbon core can revolutionize orbital maneuvers. By using a small hydrogen-nuclear stage to perform the transfer burn, only a single RLA-3 will be needed. Testing of the nuclear engine will take some time to complete but the launch of a superheavy probe is likely the most viable and easy to adapt application.
This sounds as basically lets fund nuclear engines more and progress it quicker. Though obviously this program will thus be linked to the success or failure of the nuclear engine as well as be delayed for how ever long it takes to get them working.

As such, get nuclear engines faster in a some what expensive way and a Mars return program.
[]Send it to a Committee: The current mission design is risky and only has the agreement of a few of the engineers. Gathering the various designers together to create a viable compromise design can be done without too many problems, allowing a more effective design to be collectively made. A committee may also take several years and if nothing else it will provide a series of good arguments on why to cancel the project.
I think there is a fair chance a compromise design could be made. It would probably thus delay the program by at least a few year, which is to bad. I don't know if the rp would be in use during that time, though I hope not. But one would at least need some space left over for when ever the program came back. Assuming they didn't some how mess it up after all.

Alternately it will be a way to cancel the program with even less impact on ones person. Though it might make it harder to get a future Mars Sample return mission considering the Lunar mission failure excuse is being recycled now here.
[]Back the Mission: The plan is ambitious and technically involved but none of the technology expected to be used is novel or newly designed. On a smaller scale, every act involved in the mission has already been performed with a decent scientific and technical basis. Any mission will take several years of testing and several more of travel but returning Martian soil to Earth will be a definite victory for the Union.
This basically sounds a lot like the Moon Lander design we always wanted but instead we use it to go to Mars instead and return samples from it. The added complexity will likely cause some delays or maybe some cost increase. But as an advantage it basically serves as an even better test run for developing the skills needed for a more advanced Lunar Lander system and the USA likely wouldn't even notice this as a buildup to it.

Another advantage is that once the architecture proves out it would allow for some even more ambitious deep space programs. Either extremely heavy probes to nearby planets for whatever reason one might want to do that. Or the more likely reason one would use it, sending missions to currently difficult/impossible to reach planets. If one also managed to complete the nuclear engine the total capacity would be pretty extreme. Heck a further potentially logically extension in tech development could be to allow the recover the nuclear engine for reuse by using it as the initial booster, then undocking it and returning to Earth on what remains in the fuel tank. You'd still need to develop the refueling part of your tech branch though to do something with it once it is back, so that's still some distance away before it could be used as such.


Over all I do kind of like the extra tech and ability this delivers as such. It seems like it would go in a long term useful direction... kind of like the RLA I guess. Though I'm left wondering what the exact downside will be. Substantial extra time or cost... Well either way it'll take more of the budget, just a question on if it does so quickly or over a longer time.
 
This sounds as basically lets fund nuclear engines more and progress it quicker. Though obviously this program will thus be linked to the success or failure of the nuclear engine as well as be delayed for how ever long it takes to get them working.
I don't want to sound too invested but I would gladly set Moscow on fire for a shot at getting a successful version of Project Orion.
 
I don't want to sound too invested but I would gladly set Moscow on fire for a shot at getting a successful version of Project Orion.
Project Orion is a terrible idea on numerous levels.

And the nuclear engines we'd actually be working on are, appropriately, for things nuclear propulsion is actually practical for: NERVA-like engines that provide super-high specific impulse in vacuum with extremely high exhaust velocities. They replace things like the Centaur upper stage, and this is great for deep space missions because it allows us to put a much larger probe on the same size booster.

But we're not firing up the nuclear rocket in atmosphere; for such purposes they are not suitable.
 
With the rising Western combat potential and likely adoption of the 120mm British gun across all chassis with updated munitions a new generation of armor is necessary
F to pay respects to the Rheinmetall 120mm. Are they really going with rifled guns across the board here? That has interesting implications in armour v armour combat, given the sketchy performance of APFSDS in rifled barrels. Then again, HESH and long range nonsense opens up, so it's unlikely to be awful.
 
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