Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition

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Great. So basically France is obsessed with holding its colonies and has little internal or external opposition, is backed by the USA and the only way to get them to stop is to arm every resistance group in Africa and hope that either the average joe is unenthusiastic enough about dying abroad that it causes draft riots, or they run out of credit with which to buy tanks. West and North africa have a GRIMDARK future ahead.
 
With a united communist Germany being fully rearmed and sitting directly on the other bank of the Rhine, the French absolutely have a very liberal nuclear policy. They're hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned conventionally so their only hope in a hot war is nuking early and often to paralyze Germany before we can drown them in infinite T-52s
 
Could someone find the casualty numbers for France again? They were pretty horrific, IIRC.
10% (4 million) of the French population dead in WW2 as I recall.
Total French deaths from WW2 TTL totaled approximately 4.5 million including the colonies (Fig. 1) of which ~500k were military (Fig. 2), meaning civilian deaths totaled ~4 million. However, the colonies were mostly untouched by the war due to France not surrendering and the Libyan front collapsing basically instantly, so the civilian deaths should be overwhelmingly concentrated in the metropole. So....yeah, the French did not have a great time during the war.

Great. So basically France is obsessed with holding its colonies and has little internal or external opposition, is backed by the USA and the only way to get them to stop is to arm every resistance group in Africa and hope that either the average joe is unenthusiastic enough about dying abroad that it causes draft riots, or they run out of credit with which to buy tanks. West and North africa have a GRIMDARK future ahead.
I mean, from the most recent post:
France has for its part gotten caught in several massacres by journalists with a domestic protest campaign starting against conscription and in response to mounting military casualties for what to the French public are negligible gains.
So in terms of internal opposition, the French public is already getting frustrated with the war, and this is likely only to intensify as the guerilla phase begins. As for external opposition, we've been providing fairly substantial amounts of support what with all the instructors, "volunteer" pilots, and weapons and supplies we've been sending them, so I wouldn't say "little external opposition" is an accurate statement either. The conflicts in Africa won't be *pretty*, but they're hardly hopeless.
 
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So in terms of internal opposition, the French public is already getting frustrated with the war, and this is likely only to intensify as the guerilla phase begins. As for external opposition, we've been providing fairly substantial amounts of support between training Algerian soldiers, flying in "volunteer" pilots, and sending them a mountain of ATGMs and other weapons, so I wouldn't say "little external opposition" is really accurate.
Yeah. Here's hoping those protests escalate and there is not enough domestic support for ruthlessly crushing them. And by "little external opposition" I was referring to how the USA seems extremely unlikely to encourage France to slow down. Plus the conventional phase of the Algerian war will end or at least be wrapping up this turn, so guerilla groups will be all we've got.

EDIT: Saint_007 saying the left and center are much weaker than OTL is why I skeptical that the success of the draft protests is assured. There seems a lack of political forces who would be willing to give up the empire.
 
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Imagine if France descends into civil war due to how crazy the government is and how tired and frustrated their citizens are that would make France worse
Yeah, not gonna happen. The USA is going to make damn sure France holds, for better or worse. If France gets a Franco or Pinochet of its own, it would be perfectly fine with the USA.

Quite simply, the USA cannot allow France to collapse, otherwise it loses Europe almost in its entirety. Spain is a just a military base and nothing else (still hadn't recovered from the Spanish Tragedy, i.e. a Civil War followed by three back-to-back invasions that left the country uttery devastated), the Benelux aren't much better than France and pretty much are dependent on US aid, all that's left is Italy (which has been surprisingly left intact, given how it wasn't attacked during the war and in fact surrendered on its own accord once the Soviets took Germany and the Balkans almost overnight).

If the USA loses France, it gets a massive hole in its defenses in Continental Europe and might as well just pull back to Britain. Spain and Italy remain, yes, but France is the link in the chain. If it goes, it wrecks the interlinked alliance.

Not to mention, while we'd welcome a new French Commune, a French civil war won't help us either because now we'd have to help Germany police the chaos, and Marx knows how long it would be before we get dragged into the mess.
 
I think the conventional war in Algeria is mostly over, but 2 years of conventional warfare before the army is dispersed and it shifts to 100% guerilla fighting is 2 more years than expected. France will likely be able to scale back their mobilization to head off riots at home once Algeria is defeated in the field, but the empire has been kind of fatally destabilized thanks to all the other fires that got lit while they were distracted with tank battles in Algeria.

I'm sure nothing bad will come of the world's third-largest nuclear power growing increasingly desperate while spiraling towards a slow and bloody collapse...
 
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What is the state of Scandinavia? Do they have commie-negative labour governments like OTL?
Probably.

Just because we are doing better, it doesn't mean that the other nations will suddenly become friendlier with us or immune to the effects of propaganda. They may even hate us more for our success (which is probably our present situation with the USA, as relations with them are rapidly declining in just a few years).

To not talk about how, in most of Western Europe, we started the post WW2 era with even the other communist parties more alienated by us than OTL due to what we did to the Weimar Republic and the KPD when we dumped our coal on the International market.
Even if these may be the last years that we suffer for that action.
 
Probably.

Just because we are doing better, it doesn't mean that the other nations will suddenly become friendlier with us or immune to the effects of propaganda. They may even hate us more for our success (which is probably our present situation with the USA, as relations with them are rapidly declining in just a few years).
I would imagine that the higher living standards in the sovjet union would make middle positions like scandinavian social-demographic welfare states less acceptible to the west and cause more polarization in those countries.
 
Probably.

Just because we are doing better, it doesn't mean that the other nations will suddenly become friendlier with us or immune to the effects of propaganda. They may even hate us more for our success (which is probably our present situation with the USA, as relations with them are rapidly declining in just a few years).

To not talk about how, in most of Western Europe, we started the post WW2 era with even the other communist parties more alienated by us than OTL due to what we did to the Weimar Republic and the KPD when we dumped our coal on the International market.
Even if these may be the last years that we suffer for that action.
Don't see why the Scandinavian countries would hate us we have not attacked Finland instead we talked besides that haven't really cared about them?
 
As I recall the Scandinavian countries are terrified of us since they know they don't stand a chance if we wanted to invade them, and that the US can't contest the Baltic Sea. Norway and Denmark are part of Nato and I believe Sweden and Finland are neutral as OTL, but Sweden recently tested a nuclear bomb, because they wanted an independent deterrent. Some people in Norway, Denmark, and Finland are talking about making a Nordic Defense League with Sweden that would be a nuclear power but not be aligned to either side. This would be good for us, but that was a few turns ago in game and there hasn't been an update mentioning them since.

Edit: Updated with details from Turn 78 results.
 
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As I recall the Scandinavian countries are terrified of us since they know they don't stand a chance if we wanted to invade them, and that the US can't contest the Baltic Sea. So they formed their own defense league rather than join NATO fully and Sweden has recently tested their first atomic bomb. Their goal is basically to stay out of the Cold War while using their own nuclear deterrent.
They can keep there Frozen land we still have a ton of our own that we are still trying to figure out what to do with even, also makes me imagine that Denmark is going to sell a lot of guns to other countries that what a third option to buy from.
 
We bullied them into handing over some land without escalating it to a full war, they kept Viipuri we got its hinterlands. It was not exactly a fair exchange they are happy about.
 
I'm still surprised that Finland capitulating did not backfire by making us unaware of the Red Army's shortfalls before the Great Patriotic War Started.
 
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