How to avoid becoming a god, but still getting more personal power.

[x] TotallyNotEvil
 
[X] TotallyNotEvil

Sometimes I get carried away. :oops:

@das_slash @Goldfish @Artemis1992 @egoo @SeekerofLight @TalonofAnathrax @Takesis sorry for the inconvenience, but I'm ceding the vote. I've got things to do IRL. If you want to stick with the old vote then it's below:

[] Finishing Up
-[] Lore Exchange with Necromancer:
--[] If Viserys thinks it more viable, then this should be spread out over time so as not to play all our cards all at once.
--[] What we want:
---[] Our goal is to end up with his whole library added to our own
----[] If necessary, then we trade lore for lore, but the hope is that the chance to study a Dracolich in person outweighs the value of anything he can give us
---[] For him to write us an advanced guidebook to necromancy
---[] Securing him as a future guest lecturer or even a full teacher at the Scholarum
--[] What we offer:
---[] All offers for study are with the condition that he shares the results of his research, and only after Zherys is confirmed to be loyal for the study actions (but obviously this will be explained away as something else, like needing to get our affairs in order), while the lore can be traded right away:
---[] The chance to study the Corpse-Cage
---[] The chance to study a true Dracolich (Amrelath will need to be convinced, but the argument can be made that an expert in necromancy will be useful for our efforts to bring him back to life)
-[] First Spear of Meraxes
--[] Politely ask if you could speak with his lady directly, for you had much you wished to converse with her on.
 
How to avoid becoming a god, but still getting more personal power.
That too, but I kinda doubt she'll freely share "How to become, or avoid becoming, a god 101" with us.
Maybe once we build her a nice temple and sacrificed her some tasty draconic creatures in Grandma's service.


[X] Finishing Up
-[X] Lore Exchange with Necromancer:
--[X] If Viserys thinks it more viable, then this should be spread out over time so as not to play all our cards all at once.
--[X] What we want:
---[X] Our goal is to end up with his whole library added to our own
----[X] If necessary, then we trade lore for lore, but the hope is that the chance to study a Dracolich in person outweighs the value of anything he can give us
---[X] For him to write us an advanced guidebook to necromancy
---[X] Securing him as a future guest lecturer or even a full teacher at the Scholarum
--[X] What we offer:
---[X] All offers for study are with the condition that he shares the results of his research, and only after Zherys is confirmed to be loyal for the study actions (but obviously this will be explained away as something else, like needing to get our affairs in order), while the lore can be traded right away:
---[X] The chance to study the Corpse-Cage
---[X] The chance to study a true Dracolich (Amrelath will need to be convinced, but the argument can be made that an expert in necromancy will be useful for our efforts to bring him back to life)
-[X] First Spear of Meraxes
--[X] Politely ask if you could speak with his lady directly, for you had much you wished to converse with her on.

@TotallyNotEvil
The shadow is not even Undead, I don't really see the point here.
 
[X] Finishing Up
-[X] Lore Exchange with Necromancer:
--[X] If Viserys thinks it more viable, then this should be spread out over time so as not to play all our cards all at once.
--[X] What we want:
---[X] Our goal is to end up with his whole library added to our own
----[X] If necessary, then we trade lore for lore, but the hope is that the chance to study a Dracolich in person outweighs the value of anything he can give us
---[X] For him to write us an advanced guidebook to necromancy
---[X] Securing him as a future guest lecturer or even a full teacher at the Scholarum
--[X] What we offer:
---[X] All offers for study are with the condition that he shares the results of his research, and only after Zherys is confirmed to be loyal for the study actions (but obviously this will be explained away as something else, like needing to get our affairs in order), while the lore can be traded right away:
---[X] The chance to study the Corpse-Cage
---[X] The chance to study a true Dracolich (Amrelath will need to be convinced, but the argument can be made that an expert in necromancy will be useful for our efforts to bring him back to life)
-[X] First Spear of Meraxes
--[X] Politely ask if you could speak with his lady directly, for you had much you wished to converse with her on.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by egoo on Aug 9, 2018 at 2:52 PM, finished with 213677 posts and 10 votes.

  • [X] Plan TNE
    -[X] Stranger Danger
    --[X] Offer to let him study a unique shadow you've caught, as long as he shares the results of course.
    -[X] First Spear of Meraxes
    --[X] Politely ask if you could speak with his lady directly, for you had much you wished to converse with her on.
    [X] Finishing Up
    -[X] Lore Exchange with Necromancer:
    --[X] If Viserys thinks it more viable, then this should be spread out over time so as not to play all our cards all at once.
    --[X] What we want:
    ---[X] Our goal is to end up with his whole library added to our own
    ----[X] If necessary, then we trade lore for lore, but the hope is that the chance to study a Dracolich in person outweighs the value of anything he can give us
    ---[X] For him to write us an advanced guidebook to necromancy
    ---[X] Securing him as a future guest lecturer or even a full teacher at the Scholarum
    --[X] What we offer:
    ---[X] All offers for study are with the condition that he shares the results of his research, and only after Zherys is confirmed to be loyal for the study actions (but obviously this will be explained away as something else, like needing to get our affairs in order), while the lore can be traded right away:
    ---[X] The chance to study the Corpse-Cage
    ---[X] The chance to study a true Dracolich (Amrelath will need to be convinced, but the argument can be made that an expert in necromancy will be useful for our efforts to bring him back to life)
    -[X] First Spear of Meraxes
    --[X] Politely ask if you could speak with his lady directly, for you had much you wished to converse with her on.
 
People, please, don't have it be a waste of an action.

We aren't likely to meet with necromancer again for months irl.

Let's just put him on a backburner with Viserys throwing shiny knowledge at him in the background, slowly binding him closer.
 
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I'd rather handle this once we own Volantis, and handling Amrelath for little gain will be a bother.

So only a wasted action in the sense we shouldn't have sprung it now.
I don't think so?

He could make shadows, but that only takes a ritual or item recreating Create Greater Undead, no need for any Shadowcasting.
I'm fairly sure "why is this Shadow not behaving like undead?" Is a pretty damn neat research project.
 
[ Finishing Up

Both of these plans are just.

I don't even. Why not just let him use our library?

And let him study our shot in exchange for sharing results. It is what we did with the seeker.

Good Lord.
 
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Is this the necromancer we loaned the seeker to?

Also I know.The existing votes do not make me think "build a relationship of trust and respect" they make me think. "Hey kid, I've got some candy in my van~"

Edit:
Treating a good like they are your equal encourages them to test that idea. You guys a cruising for a bruising. Or far more likely a snubbing.

Because she's a good, not a fucking dog.

I'm out of this vote. These are just terrible fts.
 
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Is this the necromancer we loaned the seeker to?
Yes, it is him.
We have no idea whether we can trust him to actually do that.
We can trust the fact that Zherys wouldn't keep an absolute moron around, and he'd have to be one in order to think about betraying our trust.

Still, the point about "after Zherys is confirmed loyal" is still there just in case.

We'll be portioning information given to him too.
Sothoryos Expedition interlude, @DragonParadox?
@DragonParadox, seconded. Vote is a 7/7 tie right now.
 
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