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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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TotallyNotEvil said:
@egoo What are you talking about? Poison sacs are there precisely so the creature doesn't poison itself.

Afaik, poison doesn't run in the blood for creatures like snakes or spiders,
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The reason we are potentially getting that much poison from Hydras (if we are starting to farm them) is that their blood is poisonous.
And they can eat other hydra's poisonous meat, but DP ruled that tey only can do it for so long, as poison will build up above their natural resistance.

As such, my idea was to have Vee install Collosal Spider's venom glands somewhere around the hydra's heart, while giving it something to not die from that poison flowing through it's veins...

And then doing the same thing that is planned with normal Hydras, cutting 4 out of 5 heads 8 times a month, only now getting Super!Poison out of their blood.
 
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egoo said:
As such, my idea was to have Vee install Collosal Spider's venom glands somewhere around the hydra's heart, while giving it something to not die from that poison...
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That's completely backwards.

Hydras are poisonous, while the spiders are venomous.

It's much, much, much easier to just give them a poison sac as a graft and regularly milk it.
 
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@egoo, I have to agree with TNE on this. Let's just keep the poison sacs as grafts. We can always have fun mixing the poison and venom once extracted.
 
@Duesal, @TotallyNotEvil, ...Would milking poison from spider-grafts give nearly as much as a single neck's worth of poison-blood? At least 20 litres once in 4 days?
I don't think so, no.

My idea was to enhance that quantity in quality, but it seems you guys aren't really interested :/

@BeepSmile, some of us are planning to stick so much fiend shit into a hydra that it starts bleeding devil blood from which we could then make Valyrian steel and Magebane.
That should answer how much we care about mindless beasts :p
 
For magebane poison just make a run through Avernus and turtle everything and we will get enough fiends to last us far too much
 
Tomcost said:
For magebane poison just make a run through Avernus and turtle everything and we will get enough fiends to last us far too much
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True, we can do that...
But we'll need time for that.
A dedicated action.

And then there would be much places where devils are better put than into magebane.
Say, into Larder :p

We wanted to make a batch of poison more times than i can remember, we had a chance for doing so quite often, yet we had to forego doing so.
Devil-Hydra will give us a constant source of this reagent, without having to compromise and salt over captured devils anymore.
 
Tomcost said:
For magebane poison just make a run through Avernus and turtle everything and we will get enough fiends to last us far too much
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Yeah, I'm sure that a quick jaunt to the lower planes will go swimmingly. /s

Edit: Fuck your funnies.

Edit edit: and especially fuck the people who funnied after I put in the above edit.
 
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Tomcost said:
For magebane poison just make a run through Avernus and turtle everything and we will get enough fiends to last us far too much
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egoo said:
True, we can do that...
But we'll need time for that.
A dedicated action.

And then there would be much places where devils are better put than into magebane.
Say, into Larder :p

We wanted to make a batch of poison more times than i can remember, we had a chance for doing so quite often, yet we had to forego doing so.
Devil-Hydra will give us a constant source of this reagent, without having to compromise and salt over captured devils anymore.
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BeepSmile said:
Yeah, I'm sure that a quick jaunt to the lower planes will go swimmingly. /s
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I've been waiting for a raid in the Fiendish Planes for ages.

I'm vaguely hopeful we might find Fiendish Dragons to kill down there.
 
@DragonParadox @thread Should we have/can we retcon that our various party members have message items on them? Assuming that message items take one round to use rather than 10 minutes cast time?

The demon attack on the temple looks to be a major push point imo
 
egoo said:
True, we can do that...
But we'll need time for that.
A dedicated action.

And then there would be much places where devils are better put than into magebane.
Say, into Larder :p

We wanted to make a batch of poison more times than i can remember, we had a chance for doing so quite often, yet we had to forego doing so.
Devil-Hydra will give us a constant source of this reagent, without having to compromise and salt over captured devils anymore.
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Thing is, we don't need fiendish hydras. We need a chaotic and a lawful hydra.

We need opposing alignments to craft the poison, not devils. We just talk about fiends becauae nobody wants to bleed angels dry yet
 
Tomcost said:
Thing is, we don't need fiendish hydras. We need a chaotic and a lawful hydra.

We need opposing alignments to craft the poison, not devils. We just talk about fiends becauae nobody wants to bleed angels dry yet
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Well, buy a graft from a lawful thing, and one from a chaotic thing, and stick each on a separate hydra. No fiend shit needed.

As in, lawful neutral and chaotic neutral.
 
Tomcost said:
Thing is, we don't need fiendish hydras. We need a chaotic and a lawful hydra.

We need opposing alignments to craft the poison, not devils. We just talk about fiends becauae nobody wants to bleed angels dry yet
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Yet fiend blood seems to be the main reagent for making Valyrian Steel.
So, it seems we'll need a whole fucking bunch of hydras :D
 
Duesal said:
Why should we? They're not sentient. We're already going to be harvesting hydrahide and hydra blood en mass from these things.
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I'm having concerns, someone said that the poison might be weaker, due to the Hydra's not being as big as the Spiders, if the poisons strength is dependent on the size of the host, then I think we should catch a Leviathan to implant it on, those Whales are supposed to be the biggest things on Planetos.
 
Tomcost said:
If you already have the dretches and the lemures, why do you make this so inefficient by feeding then to hydras?
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Because we can get far more blood from a devilised Hydra than even from a bunch of devils?
Because we won't have to summon anything to have constant source of devil-blood after we make Devil-Hydra?
Because that would be more efficient in the long run?
 
Tomcost said:
If you already have the dretches and the lemures, why do you make this so inefficient by feeding then to hydras?
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This is to make the Hydras themselves either fiendish Lawful or fiendish Chaotic, and thus provide an endless supply of that blood so we don't have to continually summon fiends for the purpose. This is about getting homegrown solutions.
tarrangar said:
I'm having concerns, someone said that the poison might be weaker, due to the Hydra's not being as big as the Spiders, if the poisons strength is dependent on the size of the host, then I think we should catch a Leviathan to implant it on, those Whales are supposed to be the biggest things on Planetos.
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The venom sacks are already going to be massive simply due to being harvested from the colossal spiders. I don't see how it could be justified that those sacks would ever shrink upon being grafted to other creatures, even if they're smaller.
 
Duesal said:
The venom sacks are already going to be massive simply due to being harvested from the colossal spiders. I don't see how it could be justified that those sacks would ever shrink upon being grafted to other creatures, even if they're smaller.
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let's then make a bunch of moss in Mossforge to graft these sacks to?
Hydras are far too agressive to deal with them if you are not a high-level PC.

And we kind of want this thing done in the background as menial labour by animal caretakers, don't we? or something.

There is a reason my plans have Hydras fully encased in steel and wearing something not unlike dog's medical colalrs when farmed :/
 
I still think that summoning dretches and lemures is safer than feeding and harvesting hydras. It is not like a few properly equipped warrior npcs cannot subdue those.
 
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