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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Duesal said:
The venom sacks are already going to be massive simply due to being harvested from the colossal spiders. I don't see how it could be justified that those sacks would ever shrink upon being grafted to other creatures, even if they're smaller.
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It could be fluffed as them making less potent venom, because a smaller creature can't supply the sacs with enough of the ingredients, causing the venom to be watered down.
 
Tomcost said:
I still think that summoning dretches and lemures is safer than feeding and harvesting hydras. It is not like a few properly equipped warrior npcs cannot subdue those.
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We're going to be taking steps to make sure the hydras are thoroughly subdued for such operations, though. I for one definitely value having a reliable source of fiendish blood without needing to summon. Fiendish cattle would also work, provided that they can be kept nonsentient.
tarrangar said:
It could be fluffed as them making less potent venom, because a smaller creature can't supply the sacs with enough of the ingredients, causing the venom to be watered down.
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Hmmm... Maybe. We'll need to see. Dinosaurs are also a viable alternative if that's the case.
 
BeepSmile said:
@DragonParadox @thread Should we have/can we retcon that our various party members have message items on them? Assuming that message items take one round to use rather than 10 minutes cast time?

The demon attack on the temple looks to be a major push point imo
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We have some Sending Stones. The Sothoryos Expedition is carrying a pair of them. We also have bags of obsidian sand that can be used in conjunction with a Whispering Brazier.
 
You know... I can't shake the feeling we are acting like a bunch of morons with the Hydras.

Why don't we just make those fungal sacs to grow leather and blood? We just need to carefully mulch a few hydras in the Fungus Forge and let Vee and Lya work their magic. Much easier to keep a huge glob of mold docile.
 
Azel said:
You know... I can't shake the feeling we are acting like a bunch of morons with the Hydras.

Why don't we just make those fungal sacs to grow leather and blood? We just need to carefully mulch a few hydras in the Fungus Forge and let Vee and Lya work their magic. Much easier to keep a huge glob of mold docile.
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That also works. Perfect supply of blood for the Magebane Poison and Valyrian Steel. Granted, it'd take a hell of a research action to accomplish.
 
Azel said:
You know... I can't shake the feeling we are acting like a bunch of morons with the Hydras.

Why don't we just make those fungal sacs to grow leather and blood? We just need to carefully mulch a few hydras in the Fungus Forge and let Vee and Lya work their magic. Much easier to keep a huge glob of mold docile.
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Hydras are readily available.

Also cool.
 
Azel said:
Actually, not really. We just need a few "donors" to have Vee scrape out their bone-marrow and implant it in the incubation pods.
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I'd be a bit more concerned with combining anything of fiendish nature with creatures of Mossforge :/

I'll be totally okay with setting up a few Moss-hydras if they prove easy to make and leaving 1 or 2 regular hydras to be modified by grafts.

Though Moss-Hydras won't give any meat/bones, but it's not like those are much of a prise anyway.
Getting poison and (maybe) hides is what great about regular hydras.
 
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egoo said:
I'd be a bit more concerned with combining anything of fiendish nature with creatures of Mossforge :/

I'll be totally okay with setting up a few Moss-hydras if they prove easy to make and leaving 1 or 2 regular hydras to be modified by grafts.
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Why though? We make the fungal pod, disconnect it from the Fungus Forge, implant the needed tissue samples and hook it up to the life-support. Done.

I see no risk for contamination there. Doubly so because the Fungus Forge is perfectly fine with digesting even full Abberations.
 
Azel said:
And dangerous. Even with the proposed mechanisms to contain them. I would prefer to build a large complex to house a few bio-reactors for this. It's far less crazy.

All we need to do is raid Avernus to steal the locals bone-marrow.
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...Let's start by starting to farm a few hydras next turn, so that we can build up some poison while we can relatively "for free", and then try to make moss-based poison/hide-factories?
 
egoo said:
...Let's start by starting to farm a few hydras next turn, so that we can build up some poison while we can relatively "for free", and then try to make moss-based poison/hide-factories?
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Problem I have with your plan is that it's still extremely dangerous and will swallow a lot of steel. Multiple hundred tons probably.
 
@egoo, one of the problems I can think of is that hydra blood might contaminate Valyrian Steel which only needs fiendish blood. For that much Azel's fungal pods is the better idea.
 
...alright, I'll admit, I kind of feel like all my painstalkingly resarched hydra-biology will go to waste if done this way :/
because that fungal-pod idea means radically different thing than a hydra, if producing similar results.

Even though I logically understand that it isn't so and materials will be given in roughly the same amounts.

*sigh*
@Azel,
Pods sound amasing, and much less SoD-breaking than farming Hydras.
You have my vote behind you so long as you'll push for making a few next turn and starting research on fielding templated Moss-coccoons (for getting elementally-charged "blood" and etc.)
 
egoo said:
...alright, I'll admit, I kind of feel like all my painstalkingly resarched hydra-biology will go to waste if done this way :/
because that fungal-pod idea means radically different thing than a hydra, if producing similar results.

Even though I logically understand that it isn't so and materials will be given in roughly the same amounts.

*sigh*
Pods sound amasing, and much less SoD-breaking than farming Hydras.
You have my vote behind you so long as you'll push for making a few next turn and starting research on fielding templated Moss-coccoons (for getting elementally-charged "blood" and etc.)
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We're still going to be harvesting hydra blood by the barrel. It's just that I don't want to screw with our future Valyrian Steel production when there are better alternatives.
 
Tomcost said:
Thing is, we don't need fiendish hydras. We need a chaotic and a lawful hydra.

We need opposing alignments to craft the poison, not devils. We just talk about fiends becauae nobody wants to bleed angels dry yet
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If all you need is chaotic and lawful blood, wouldn't it be easier to just summon imps and quasits?
Since they are Lawful and Chaotic respectively, we can just drain them (almost) dry before sacrificing them or something.
 
Azel said:
Why though? We make the fungal pod, disconnect it from the Fungus Forge, implant the needed tissue samples and hook it up to the life-support. Done.

I see no risk for contamination there. Doubly so because the Fungus Forge is perfectly fine with digesting even full Abberations.
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Will easily eat up a research action.
Goldfish said:
Mechanically, they should he useable by anyone who casts spells spontaneously. The awesome fluff DP provided for Viserys' Grimoire does seem to make it seem fairly personalized.
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There's gotta be some limits to it.
 
egoo said:
...alright, I'll admit, I kind of feel like all my painstalkingly resarched hydra-biology will go to waste if done this way :/
because that fungal-pod idea means radically different thing than a hydra, if producing similar results.

Even though I logically understand that it isn't so and materials will be given in roughly the same amounts.

*sigh*
@Azel,
Pods sound amasing, and much less SoD-breaking than farming Hydras.
You have my vote behind you so long as you'll push for making a few next turn and starting research on fielding templated Moss-coccoons (for getting elementally-charged "blood" and etc.)
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For what it's worth, I know how you feel, but DP dropped too many caveats and warnings on this to make me feel entirely comfortable with it.

TotallyNotEvil said:
Will easily eat up a research action.
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Definitely, but it's Vee-time, not Lya-time, so I'm fine with that.

Lya for physics and souls.
Vee for all things nature and squishy.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Will easily eat up a research action.

There's gotta be some limits to it.
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Well, the spells also need to be on your classes spell list. Garin probably won't be able to use it to cast Heart of Water, now that I think about it.

They could also be limited by Arcane or Divine magic, if DP wanted, but that wouldn't affect Viserys now.
 
Before I was wondering wtf the mages of Mantarys were thinking to create a Gate to the Abyss, but now all I can do is admire them. They must have had a massive industry for Fiendish blood.
 
I'm still wondering if, on that scale, EVIL leaks through. As in, plane overlap becoming more likely or such a thing.
 
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