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I'm not too sure about Taena either. Yeah, she's good mechanically with her sense motive and stuff, but then Zhaerys is pretty speched in charisma as well. And DP won't be shy using situational debuffs in social combat between the two. It's not that Taena could betray us, its that she could bring about a course of action contrary to our interests.

Bringing her is like bringing a formerly abused child to a buisness meeting with the abusing father, its just too emotionally charged for something that will be high stakes diplomacy in the Clausewitz sense of the word.

Honestly, I'm very wary of poking Zhaerys, but if you guys think its necessary then I'm in. It'll be a very delicate situation though, Zhaerys will seek to exploit the thread's vulnerabilities like for example offering shinies of various ultimately worthless sorts in exchange for political concessions, as well as pitting Dany against us by dangling the slavery issue as another concession, etc. The man will use every lever we give him, and Taena just adds more potential levers to be honest. The admittedly nice knowledge she could give us would be just that, nice to have. The vulnerabilities that could potentially come up with that are not worth it though IMHO.

It seems part of the reason for wanting her there is just to get her out of the shadow tower, and to that I say... well, we're drowning in fetch quests and can get more basically on demand, why not send her on something less politically sensitive? One bad roll here could mean our non agression pact with Zhaerys blowing up into open war with Volantis when we've still yet to secure the three daughters.
 
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The slavery thing isn't even something that can be levered. It's already falling apart at the seams. With a coup, the remaining administrative caste won't be able to hold things together without our implicit support, because of the disenfranchised populace who is crying out for freedom.

Pointing out that we know he was on the road to abolition as a matter of survival which would only serve to benefit and empower his own faction removes that lever.

Anyway, since so many people are complaining about it, and since we don't explicitly need Teana for Volantis, @Goldfish, maybe just give her another task for her five days?

Sure, it might be interesting to see what happens, but people have chosen to persistently defend their point of view here with a new fallacy every time old ones get deflected. I'm fairly certain when votes in Volantis come up and we have Teana around as a matter of course, that is going to effect how some people are going to vote to the point of acting as a handicap for us, all because of paranoia.
 
I'd rather not bring Taena into Volantis tbh.

[X] Do not curse him, lest you give your renewed hunt away
 
Crake said:
The slavery thing isn't even something that can be levered. It's already falling apart at the seams. With a coup, the remaining administrative caste won't be able to hold things together without our implicit support, because of the disenfranchised populace who is crying out for freedom.

Pointing out that we know he was on the road to abolition as a matter of survival which would only serve to benefit and empower his own faction removes that lever.

Anyway, since so many people are complaining about it, and since we don't explicitly need Teana for Volantis, @Goldfish, maybe just give her another task for her five days?

Sure, it might be interesting to see what happens, but people have chosen to persistently defend their point of view here with a new fallacy every time old ones get deflected. I'm fairly certain when votes in Volantis come up and we have Teana around as a matter of course, that is going to effect how some people are going to vote to the point of acting as a handicap for us, all because of paranoia.
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Sorry, I'm not changing my mind on taking Teana to Volantis. Hopefully it won't blow up in my face.

If y'all disagree, I'm sure DP would be amenable to a vote to determine her attendance. He's cool like that.
 
Could just make it a write-in.

TBH, I fully intended on leaning on Azel for Volantis specifically because of his performance against Grey Worm in MS. And it is an active detriment to me for him to be actively mutinous during that.
 
@Goldfish, hnestly, we can have Teana spend her time far far more productively by researching something for us.

For example, decyphering that book that will give us acess to instruction manual, needed to train Alchemists. The one with precise densities and gibberish.

Or just about any of those Research Actions I sent to you earlier. We still have a lot, even though this turn should take out quite a few.
 
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Vote Tally : A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover | Page 8365 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 209120-209201]
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[X] Use Tor's Skull to curse him.
-[X] Reduce his Wisdom attribute to 1
-[X] Prepare a strike team to capture him ahead of time, then Scry his location once he is cursed.
--[X] Once located, Viserys, Dany, Garin, and Richard Teleport to his location to capture him.
No. of Votes: 4
Goldfish
Artemis1992
Crake
egoo

[X] Ask Yss if the following would succeed:
-[X] Curse Tor to reduce Wisdom to 1
-[X] Immediately afterwards, Scry his location, Greater Teleport there with Lya and Richard, have Lya cast Dominate Person on him and then have Viserys cast Celerity to cast Greater Teleport back to Yss' sanctum with everyone and dominated Tor.
No. of Votes: 1
Tomcost

[X] Do not curse him, lest you give your renewed hunt away
No. of Votes: 1
BeepSmile

Total No. of Voters: 6
 
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@DragonParadox Visery's thoughts on the potential harm to Taena by being around Zherys (with friends who will back her up and stand by her)?

Seroiusly, when you laid out that bit of information on their relationship, it was sickening. So.

#ZherysIsProbablyAnUnreliableSort #KillZherys293
 
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@DragonParadox Visery's thoughts on the potential harm to Taena by being around Zherys (with friends who will back her up and stand by her)
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She's a grown woman, used to responsibility and capable as a mage. She isn't some traumatised preteen.

Also @Crake see? People get both her name and Viserys's name wrong! It's a sign both need to be improved!
I suggest we use ShadowGandalf and Vyserys.
Why? Because her spell selection and subtle nature (+ teacher calling) makes her a great Gandalf of sorts, and because VYSERYS is so much better than Viserys.
 
If anyone cares about character sheets, or even knows how to interpret them, take a look at Teana's on the new Scholarium page. I'm proud of what she's become, mostly because she's been my pet project since DP started letting us retrain her as she leveled up. She also has the Shadow-Sculptor PrC, my only contribution to our collection of OP PrCs.

Some of the highlights of her abilities include Spell Resistance 20, Damage Reduction 10/Magic, and the ability to be in four places at once.

That's before she starts casting spells. Her Shadow spells have a +4 DC bonus, raising their minimum saving throws to 22+, she has a 50% chance of not even expending a Shadow spell when it is cast, and can apply any one of five different Metamagic feats to them for free, without actually knowing the feats.

All in all, she's very powerful in a very specific way, and just interesting, IMO. I've been looking forward to the chance to take her on a mission with the main party, because she definitely has the chops to hang with them.
 
BeepSmile said:
@DragonParadox Visery's thoughts on the potential harm to Taena by being around Zherys (with friends who will back her up and stand by her)?

Seroiusly, when you laid out that bit of information on their relationship, it was sickening. So.

#ZherysIsProbablyAnUnreliableSort #KillZherys293
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A lot lower than it would have been a few months ago but not zero. On the other hand Teana would be undoubtedly useful as a Volatine local and someone who knows the lay of the land and the people.
 
BTW, don't forget to vote, folks. If you don't like the available plans, make one of your own.
 
Goldfish said:
If anyone cares about character sheets, or even knows how to interpret them, take a look at Teana's on the new Scholarium page. I'm proud of what she's become, mostly because she's been my pet project since DP started letting us retrain her as she leveled up. She also has the Shadow-Sculptor PrC, my only contribution to our collection of OP PrCs.

Some of the highlights of her abilities include Spell Resistance 20, Damage Reduction 10/Magic, and the ability to be in four places at once.

That's before she starts casting spells. Her Shadow spells have a +4 DC bonus, raising their minimum saving throws to 22+, she has a 50% chance of not even expending a Shadow spell when it is cast, and can apply any one of five different Metamagic feats to them for free, without actually knowing the feats.

All in all, she's very powerful in a very specific way, and just interesting, IMO. I've been looking forward to the chance to take her on a mission with the main party, because she definitely has the chops to hang with them.
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I hated that PrC at first (it's existence, it's mechanics, everything about it) but now I kinda like it. Being in several places at once is a rather unique gimmick (if horribly broken) and it's not like we gave it to Vyserys!

EDIT: Because that would have been insanely unbalanced, while this is just super convenient behind the scenes and pretty cool.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
She's a grown woman, used to responsibility and capable as a mage. She isn't some traumatised preteen.

Also @Crake see? People get both her name and Viserys's name wrong! It's a sign both need to be improved!
I suggest we use ShadowGandalf and Vyserys.
Why? Because her spell selection and subtle nature (+ teacher calling) makes her a great Gandalf of sorts, and because VYSERYS is so much better than Viserys.
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So what you're saying is you're trying to retroactively justify your mistakes.

How... Valyrian of you.
 
Crake said:
That was all TNE bro.

I think it was TNE anyway.
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Yes, that's what the Valyrians said about their devil grafts too. It's not me, it's the influence of the Pit!
Then they start killing slaves by the thousands just to get the juice for prank-calling with Sending.

Oh, and TNE could also be an acronym for Totally Not English, and everyone knows that the English were the inspiration for the Valyrians. A worldwide Empire that collapsed super fast and that depended almost entirely upon a single branch of the military? Yeah, them's the Brits alright. The slavery fits too, as does the "evil magic" (which is industrialization).
Okay, so I'm really reaching here, and making taht "inspiration" shit up as I go along. Fine, you're right. I am justifying my dumb typoes. But forget flying castle projects or nagging DP about Scholarum stuff, this is the hill I will die on!
Getting a character called Vyserys in here somewhere!
 
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