You'll have more than enough time. I'm leaving for London tomorrow (tonight realy since I have a check in at 6 AM and take-off at 8) and the updates will slow down considerably for the five days I'm there.
Ah, forgot about your vacation coming up.

Are there any significant economic effects to be ecpected from the coin minting action? Because then I would do the economy sheets for nect month.
 
...I'm of the opinion that you're trying to cram too much in a single tree here and losing on some awesome buffs we could've given them otherwise.

Remember, they are our future branch of inquisition.
I'm of the opinion that we should give them everything we can, Braavos will need it in the days to come.

Can't we make, say, a tier-2 tree with (all/some) of those super nice and useful spells you guys suggested in previous tree you made up for them, those that will help greatly in their line of work, but also with with this in-field healing with leaves?

And another tree entirely for nondetection effect and whatever.

We probably should use the ritual to understand what of their cursed contraband we can sacrifice immediately.
@DragonParadox, will you allow for this to be done OOC?
 
For clarification, invoking the Nondetection blessing would require Holy Water worth 10 IM, while the Stalwart Pact blessing would require incense worth 50 IM and Holy Water worth 50 IM. Not cheap by any means, but an acceptable alternative to blood sacrifice according to DP.

Nondetection wouldn't been to be used constantly, but a team of Silver Eye agents going on a mission could invoke the blessing for an extra edge.

Stalwart Pact is really good. 100 IM each year to keep valuable and hard to replace agents alive is well worth the expense, IMO, though the cost could add up quickly if it needs to be renewed too often. Hopefully the Goodberry leaf will help mitigate this, preventing it from needing to be used frequently.

[X] The Tree of the All-Seeing Eye
 
Mages Private Sanctum only stops Divination, such as Scrying, that is aimed at the contents of the Sanctum. That's useful, but won't prevent most Divination spells from warning you about incoming danger, should you think to check.
Still, they'd probably appreciate at least one room where they can be completely sure that no divinations will happen, so their planning room. This is something we could Blood Wish and have the Silver Eye (the Sealord) pay for with diamond dust. MPS takes 10 minutes for each casting, and Pathfinder Permanency takes 2 rounds, so I'm really not seeing a reason not to do it.

[X] First have a look at the cursed objects the Silver Eye has to see if any of them can be used for the sacrifice
-[X] Offer to Blood Wish and Permanency (again via Blood Wish) Mage's Private Sanctum in as much space in the Wind House as can be paid for if the Silver Eye can quickly procure the diamond dust necessary from the Sealord.
-[X] In the meantime grow the Tree of the All-Seeing Eye using the CL 5 Daemon bows (8 on hand right now).


EDIT: Just realized that Blood Wish means we don't need material components, all we need is diamond dust.
 
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...I'm of the opinion that you're trying to cram too much in a single tree here and losing on some awesome buffs we could've given them otherwise.

Remember, they are our future branch of inquisition.
I'm of the opinion that we should give them everything we can, Braavos will need it in the days to come.

Can't we make, say, a tier-2 tree with (all/some) of those super nice and useful spells you guys suggested in previous tree you made up for them, those that will help greatly in their line of work, but also with with this in-field healing with leaves?

And another tree entirely for nondetection effect and whatever.

We probably should use the ritual to understand what of their cursed contraband we can sacrifice immediately.
@DragonParadox, will you allow for this to be done OOC?

The tree is providing most of what they have asked for, with only a means of escape being left out, and it fits the OG fluff.

That said, I wouldn't mind one bit if we instead decided on a Defense Tree like I've wanted forever now, with Greater Magic Weapon, Magic Vestment, and Heart of Earth being the three effects.

Such a tree could give each agent the equivalent of a +5 weapon, +5 Enhancement bonus to their AC, and 30 Temp HP (along with other bonuses and emergency DR) for 20 hours.
 
Thank you for taking the time to understand my frustration. And it is not that I don't understand why they are doing it, but I'm fed up with not lecturing them in return why their behaviour is grating and ultimately self-defeating.

We have a Demon, a Vampire, a Draco-Lich and now a Devil in our employ. They all need a bit of managing to keep them in line, but they are not that much worse then some humans we've met. I'm perfectly willing to baby-sit a dozen Azemas before I would be willing to be saddled with a single Damphair or Listener.
To say nothing about the freaking Beholder being one of the nicest guys in our party.

Yet the first time we do a joint operation with Mantarys, we get a lecture about the Horrible Damnation we are courting and told that they will fight us in a heartbeat if they think their precious morals require them to.

Azema hasn't done any dodgy shit since she came to SD, despite having little to no oversight most of the time. Amrelath is mostly lazing around in the tower and being a crotchety old man at everyone.
The Archons keep lecturing us over half of everything we tell them about that we did and outright threatened us with attack if we cross some line they have drawn.

Something here is definitely wrong and it might be the part where the Archons are more troublesome allies then the pit-spawn and the undead monstrosity.

And I want to finally point blank tell them that this is probably exactly why the Valyrians were fighting alongside Devils against their masters, not Archons, and why Yrael and his buddies got crammed into a little tomb while the world went to utter shit.

We've put them on the top of the pile in Mantarys. We've forged the alliance that saved their asses. Without us, Yrael would be sitting in some Pleasure Devils BDSM dungeon in a cellar in Dis, while his buddies would be dead in a ditch in the middle of nowhere.

The grating lectures and vague ultimatums sure are a great way to repay us for that and offer a great incentive to put more Archons in places of power.

If they feel they have the obligation and the right to lecture us, fine. I politely disagree with that notion, but I'm willing to cut him some slack due to his alignment related disability.

But I want him to understand and acknowledge that he is teaching us that a random captured fiend can make for a better ally then an Archon who owes us his life, his soul and everything he has.
The difference is, you are comparing him to subordinates, Yrael isn't a subordinate of ours he's an ally, and as an ally he's pretty much as unproblematic as they come, he gives us an occasional morality preaching, but aside from that he don't cause us problems, and he gives us free aid, such as sending himself and his followers to help in Tyrosh, without even asking for a share of the loot, the price of having celestial help is that you will get moralized at, the benefit of it is that if you can withstand the morality preachings, then they will help you for free, or much cheaper than just about anyone else.

But just remember Yrael isn't our subordinate, for all we plan to change that in the future, he's our ally, and as such his primary responsibility isn't to help us, he do his best to help us because we are friends and allies, but his primary responsibility is to the people of Mantarys, and so he has to talk with us from that point of view.
 
then explain the Old Gods's loathing of the living dead and the protection they offer to those bold and skilled enough to offer onto the roots of the Godswood the blood of their foes
It's Horse-Chirstmas come early!
I would have expected a Warlock or two, from Fey-pacts, but I guess if there are such, they aren't allowed in the Eye for the worry about divided loyalties.
Maybe there aren't sufficiently powerful fey around. The Orphne wouldn't do it, I think.

On that note, @DragonParadox how would we go about training Dragonfire Adepts or at least Dragon Shamans?
advisor to mortality".

No that sounds like an assassin. WIP title
No, that's perfect.
I think the HP cost is a bit low, would call it 5 and 8 maybe.
Such a tree could give each agent the equivalent of a +5 weapon, +5 Enhancement bonus to their AC, and 30 Temp HP (along with other bonuses and emergency DR) for 20 hours.
Mind, this would probably cost a hefty amount of sacrifice.

Effects working outside the hallow all seem to, and these are exceptional.
 
But just remember Yrael isn't our subordinate, for all we plan to change that in the future, he's our ally, and as such his primary responsibility isn't to help us, he do his best to help us because we are friends and allies, but his primary responsibility is to the people of Mantarys, and so he has to talk with us from that point of view.
Except that by antagonizing us with statements about opposing us, he is doing Mantarys a massive disservice.

Options:
1. He is right. We are a raging bastard. He just provoked us into coming after Mantarys with a force that will make the Slaver Bay invasion look like a pub-brawl.
2. He is wrong. His accusations needlessly alienated a valuable ally. The chance that we intervene when Mantarys is threatened has lessened.
3. He is both right and wrong. We will save Mantarys no matter what, but theres a chance we will only do so after Zherys fried his preachy ass.
 
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[X] Duesal

Viserys: "So... really, you guys are doing great."

Aly: "I'm sensing a 'but' coming, here."

Viserys: "It's just... this place was safe when I lived here. And now I don't. And so now it is "safe in theory" rather than practice."

Aly: "Get on with it..."

Viserys: "How about I just comb over everything, have everything warded, and maybe uproot a few pests while I'm in the neighborhood? Also, I could send more people to help on a regular basis, and also rewrite the book on operational security for you and simultaneously create new doctrine for threats you don't even realize are there yet."

Aly: "What ever would we do without you?"

Viserys: "Probably burn the place down."

*beat*

Viserys: "Every building that was on fire in the past few years might have been linked to me, but it wasn't my fault."

Aly: "You're a dragon and you expect me to believe somewhere in your general vicinity being on fire isn't your fault?"

Viserys: "Yes. I put out fires, I don't start them. I'm the most fire safety conscientious dragon... pretty much ever."

Ferrego: "The collateral damages have gone sharply down in the past year alone."

Viserys: "Correlation does not equate causation!"

Lya: "Dear... let it go."
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jul 5, 2018 at 8:13 AM, finished with 146 posts and 9 votes.

  • [X] First have a look at the cursed objects the Silver Eye has to see if any of them can be used for the sacrifice
    -[X] Offer to Blood Wish and Permanency (again via Blood Wish) Mage's Private Sanctum in as much space in the Wind House as can be paid for if the Silver Eye can quickly procure the diamond dust necessary from the Sealord.
    -[X] In the meantime grow the Tree of the All-Seeing Eye using the CL 5 Daemon bows (8 on hand right now).
 
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Except that by antagonizing us with statements about opposing us, he is doing Mantarys a massive disservice.

Options:
1. He is right. We are a raging bastard. He just provoked us into coming after Mantarys with a force that will make the Slaver Bay invasion look like a pub-brawl.
2. He is wrong. His accusations needlessly alienated a valuable ally. The chance that we intervene when Mantarys is threatened has lessened.
3. He is both right and wrong. We will save Mantarys no matter what, but theres a chance we will only do so after Zherys fried his preachy ass.
But the fact is, he don't think we are a raging bastard, he think we are a good person, standing on a narrow path(that path being using questionable means to accomplish good) and his statements are meant to be a steadying presence, so that we don't go from doing bad things to accomplish greater good things, to doing bad things for simple profit.

He thinks we are doing good as we are now, but that we need to be reminded of the line between doing small bads for great goods, and just doing bad things because they are easiest, he's convinced that we are a good person at the moment, but that the ways we are accomplishing good, while tremendously successful, are also tremendously dangerous to our morality, and so he needles us, because by needling us, he forces us to think about what we are doing and why, what he's doing is existentially trying to make sure we don't change for the worse, and his method of doing that, is by forcing us into considering how to justify what we are doing to celestials, thereby he try to make sure we never forget, to stop and consider whether something is right before doing it, not necessarily right as he would see it, but right as in will this do more good than harm.

He want to be that unpopular buzzkill advisor, who always remind the king of the cost of things.
 
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Next turn it's looking like we will actually be able to start doing this. Most of the immediate crafting wishlist will be done and can be finished up next turn. Lya's crafting time will be completely occupied with the Hardening Chamber, but Leila, Valeria, Rina, and Unnamed Archivist will all have quite a lot of crafting capacity left over.

We need to consult with @Duesal. I think he's been keeping a list of all out other proposed crafting projects. We need to start adding those to the crafting wishlist, too, rather than relying on memory and/or Duesal.

Here's a list off the top of my head on everything that needs to be crafted next month:

Lya's time is going to be spent almost exclusively on the Hardening Chamber, so that leaves everyone else.
@TotallyNotEvil, we're going to start with having Valeria make the Mithral Fullplates of Dany, Vee, and Tyene properly Glamered.
Then we need to craft Alysande a Quill of Scribing and a Boneward Healing Belt (+3), as well as scribe her scrolls of Dimension Door, Heart of the Earth, and False Life.

We need Amulets of PfE and Belts of Healing for the following:
Mia the baby Inquisitor
Joran the new baby dragonlord
Reva
Liset
Mya Stone
Khal Rhango
Soft Strider (needs a Belt of Healing)

@Goldfish, I'm not entirely certain how far equipped they are, but Valeria, Kira, and Naria should finish being equipped if they're not by the end of this month.

And we need to continue churning out Greater Ribbons of Disguise. I've been keeping track of this one. Before this turn we had 4, and then by the end of this turn we'll have crafted 5 more bringing us to a total of 9. Here's a list of people who need their own ribbons eventually, to be crafted over the course of what I'm assuming to be six or more months.

Fortunately for us a Greater Ribbon of Disguise is only CL 3, so as the Archivists level up we can pounce on them and get them started crafting.
 
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@TotallyNotEvil, we're going to start with having Valeria make the Mithral Fullplates of Dany, Vee, and Tyene properly Glamered.
Also need to armour up the rest of the divine casters. Like making Rina's plate magical, and probably also glammered as a suit of ice armour isn't something to strut around.

We need +1 Animated Extreme Shields for all of these girls, plus Malarys and Ser Richard.
 
Except that by antagonizing us with statements about opposing us, he is doing Mantarys a massive disservice.

Options:
1. He is right. We are a raging bastard. He just provoked us into coming after Mantarys with a force that will make the Slaver Bay invasion look like a pub-brawl.
2. He is wrong. His accusations needlessly alienated a valuable ally. The chance that we intervene when Mantarys is threatened has lessened.
3. He is both right and wrong. We will save Mantarys no matter what, but theres a chance we will only do so after Zherys fried his preachy ass.
... as I mentioned, write a letter ...
 
Also need to armour up the rest of the divine casters. Like making Rina's plate magical, and probably also glammered as a suit of ice armour isn't something to strut around.

We need +1 Animated Extreme Shields for all of these girls, plus Malarys and Ser Richard.
Okay, here's what we have so far:

Dany: Mithral Fullplate (+1) --> Needs to Glamer the fullplate and get a +1 Animated Extreme Shield
Vee: Mithral Fullplate (+1) --> Needs to Glamer the fullplate and get a +1 Animated Extreme Shield
Tyene: Mithral Fullplate (+1) --> Needs to Glamer the fullplate and get a +1 Animated Extreme Shield
Rina: Blue Ice Fullplate --> Needs to enchant and Glamer the fullplate and get a +1 Animated Extreme Shield
Malarys: Spell-Reflecting Mithral Breastplate --> Needs a +1 Animated Extreme Shield
Ser Richard: Needs a replacement +1 Animated Extreme Shield
 
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