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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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[X] Goldfish
I'm a Russian guy and as such it's my sacred responsibility to meddle with other people' votes.
 
Crake said:
Yohn... what does Yohn have to do with Jon at all, Genji?

There are two (okay three) people alive who have an inkling about what Jon's origins are in canon. And in ASwaH that number is like... let's see, confirmed, Ned, Howland, Brynden, Viserys, Dany, Rhaella, Ghost!Lyanna, Jon and... probably Ser Richard? Other people in the Inner Circle might know but that's no guarantee, Viserys might be playing it close to his chest otherwise.

I'm... confused where you're coming from there.

@Goldfish, you biased yourself when you made it clear you thought of her as a "stupid little girl". I mean, what she did may have been ill-advised, she's clearly anything but stupid. Taking that stance with intent to marginalize her before her father and take away any and all future agency might just lead to her doing more actively stupid shit rather than talking with her father and making her thoughts known in a constructive manner so that he can at least reign in those impulses to throw caution into the wind.

Edit2: Also, Waymar was like twelve when he abandoned home to live in exile practically by himself in a city that might as well be a world away from home for him. But he's managed himself well enough.

Ysilla might have all the support of her family, but I'm not going to step off the "she might be useful in the future" train with pretty much anyone. Yohn will be a big help in the war, which we're actively trying to make as brief as possible with as few battles as possible.

Ysilla might be a big help for what comes after. Who says Waymar's got the only blood that'll sing?
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Yeah my bad. I thought he was one of those that knew and protected him. That'd give us an opportunity to gift and further influence..
 
Goldfish said:
I get that y'all want to be nice to Yssila, but you need to look at this from Yohn's PoV. Withholding this information is not going to look good at all, regardless of any explanation we try to give or encouragement we provide Yssila to confess on her own.
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Eh, we've already taken measures (told bloodraven + "eager to meet (meat? ;) ) Dana) to prevent problems, so getting Ysilla's side of the story and getting her to come forward to her dad (as she knows the problem will be taken care of) will be better for happy family stuff. One day's delay in telling Yohn won't make such a difference imo.
 
Crake said:
Yohn... what does Yohn have to do with Jon at all, Genji?

There are two (okay three) people alive who have an inkling about what Jon's origins are in canon. And in ASwaH that number is like... let's see, confirmed, Ned, Howland, Brynden, Viserys, Dany, Rhaella, Ghost!Lyanna, Jon and... probably Ser Richard? Other people in the Inner Circle might know but that's no guarantee, Viserys might be playing it close to his chest otherwise.

I'm... confused where you're coming from there.

@Goldfish, you biased yourself when you made it clear you thought of her as a "stupid little girl". I mean, what she did may have been ill-advised, she's clearly anything but stupid. Taking that stance with intent to marginalize her before her father and take away any and all future agency might just lead to her doing more actively stupid shit rather than talking with her father and making her thoughts known in a constructive manner so that he can at least reign in those impulses to throw caution into the wind.

Edit2: Also, Waymar was like twelve when he abandoned home to live in exile practically by himself in a city that might as well be a world away from home for him. But he's managed himself well enough.

Ysilla might have all the support of her family, but I'm not going to step off the "she might be useful in the future" train with pretty much anyone. Yohn will be a big help in the war, which we're actively trying to make as brief as possible with as few battles as possible.

Ysilla might be a big help for what comes after. Who says Waymar's got the only blood that'll sing?
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I call them like I see them. What she did was stupid, from start to finish, regardless of her well meaning and good intentions.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Massgamer on Mar 16, 2018 at 10:20 AM, finished with 165838 posts and 12 votes.
  • [X] No
    -[X] The answer is obvious. Ysilla does not have to speak to her father immediately, but while we are here and when there is a moment of privacy, it may be best if she does so with our tacit support, not so much excusing her actions so much as making it obvious we were protecting her as much as we could without storming the Vale looking for Wildlings to take to account by our own hand. (Speak to Ysilla next about telling her father the deal she made.)
    [X] Yes
    -[X] Tell Lord Royce of his daughter's indiscretions. A well-meaning, but foolish child's happiness is much less important than her father's trust and support. If she ends up under closer supervision, it might keep her from making another stupid decision with consequences she is unequipped to deal with.
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If Ysilla ever becomes a baby PC she'll have nightmares for a while, after realizing what culd have happened to her if it had been a Devil wearing the skin of the woman, instead of a bog standard wood's witch.
 
Important: If and when Yohn becomes annoyed at us for witholding the secret, we should play it off with a vaguely befuddled 'what?'. Play it as Ysilla's secret which was confided to Waymar. A purely Royce matter. Its a bit unkind to Waymar since it deflects most of the anger to him, but then again, he's Yohn's son, a son who has not seen in years. He'll be more than okay.
 
I don't feel okay with deflecting it onto Waymar, that's so un-bro-like. But I would point out that the only reason she even came forward was because of us come to that... and that we would have broached it if she had refused, since it was kind of important.
 
Crake said:
I'm an American... and I have an expectation of my votes being meddled with.

...so business as usual.
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You laugh, but there was an actual official declaration by the guy in charge of stopping American elections from being meddled with that basically meant "yeah, we give up. There's nothing we can do. If they want to meddle, they'll find a way".
That's funnier when:
1. You're foreign and don't live in the USA
2. You realise that the speaker is part of the "tough on crime" crowd :D

Funnily enough, that's basically our approach to spies in this quest. "They're hard to deal with, let's just let it happen". Thing is that we're planning to conquer whoever sent them!
 
On a road trip, making a note of this while I can. Make sure to examine their Heart Tree before we leave, and do it with True Sight. I want to figure out what effects it has for future planning.
 
I mean, I'm laughing, but it's to hide the pain.

...that's why everyone laughs?

... I'm not alone. At last. :)
 
What upside down world do those people live in? Everyone knows laughter is a medicine.

Too much of it, and it kills you.

Just like everything else.
 
That's like if Caesar said "at least they only stabbed me 23 times instead of 24".

@DragonParadox We almost good?
Adhoc vote count started by Crake on Mar 16, 2018 at 10:42 AM, finished with 165849 posts and 12 votes.
  • [X] No
    -[X] The answer is obvious. Ysilla does not have to speak to her father immediately, but while we are here and when there is a moment of privacy, it may be best if she does so with our tacit support, not so much excusing her actions so much as making it obvious we were protecting her as much as we could without storming the Vale looking for Wildlings to take to account by our own hand. (Speak to Ysilla next about telling her father the deal she made.)
    [X] Yes
    -[X] Tell Lord Royce of his daughter's indiscretions. A well-meaning, but foolish child's happiness is much less important than her father's trust and support. If she ends up under closer supervision, it might keep her from making another stupid decision with consequences she is unequipped to deal with.
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Oh, at the end of the trip, offer a brief teleport visit to Sorcerer's Deep so that they get to meet the Children of the Forest and take a tour of our kingdom.
 
[X] Crake

Sorry, Goldfish, but while it was stupid of her, getting Ysilla to come out to her father herself has better chances of preventing more stupid decisions from her in the future, than just ratting her to Yohn. That would just made her bitter, I think. Maybe less so than if she was a teenager already, but this just means less chances of her immediately sneaking out to do more dumb stuff. :lol
 
Depending on how this all shakes out, I will do both of those things @Duesal. But at least the former, since it costs literally nothing but a use per day on an item.
 
The right thing to do would have been not to mention here at all and let her fullfill the terms of her pact as well as she can.
She would propably learn from that too.
 
While I don't think it would be catastrophic if she settled out herself, and it might not ever reach her father's ears, it might not be to our interests if so. Mostly because it could result in Brynden getting his claws into her, and I'm pretty much feeling greedy about potential PCs in general. He's stolen plenty of marches on us, I don't see a reason to cede ground on territory we have an inherent advantage in.
 
Crake said:
While I don't think it would be catastrophic if she settled out herself, and it might not ever reach her father's ears, it might not be to our interests if so. Mostly because it could result in Brynden getting his claws into her, and I'm pretty much feeling greedy about potential PCs in general. He's stolen plenty of marches on us, I don't see a reason to cede ground on territory we have an inherent advantage in.
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I have a feeling that Brynden's PCs will, in the end, be our PCs.

Ultimatly we will free him from the roots, by replacement or challenge and he will be a PC in our employment.
Or do you see another endgame?
 
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