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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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The retirement plan for Brynden's PC's are not all that great in any case. If the gain is high enough Brynden will spend their lives without hesitation. Not something we'd want for Ysilla.
 
Brynden has an angle. I don't know what it is. I actually feel as though it isn't really counter to our interests. But he's an ambitious sort, so I imagine he'll try to keep his hands in all of his pies even after being uprooted.

There will be some overlap, but not absolute overlap, and I generally would like to keep ahold of all of the canon characters we come across that we can.
 
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  • [X] No
    -[X] The answer is obvious. Ysilla does not have to speak to her father immediately, but while we are here and when there is a moment of privacy, it may be best if she does so with our tacit support, not so much excusing her actions so much as making it obvious we were protecting her as much as we could without storming the Vale looking for Wildlings to take to account by our own hand. (Speak to Ysilla next about telling her father the deal she made.)
    [X] Yes
    -[X] Tell Lord Royce of his daughter's indiscretions. A well-meaning, but foolish child's happiness is much less important than her father's trust and support. If she ends up under closer supervision, it might keep her from making another stupid decision with consequences she is unequipped to deal with.
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Dalla: Your pet dragon is meddling in my projects old raven! How do i prepare against him?
Bloodraven: Well, its bad form to help Friends against Friends, but i suppose you would need more hippogriphs.
Dalla: Yes! How many?
Bloodraven: Well, should they cover the skies with their numbers, they might run out of Magic before reaching you, after that their killing rate should slow down enough, that you can kill yourself before they reach you.
Dalla: ...
Bloodraven: Alternatively, a gift of several dozens of hippogriphs might appease him enough that he does not move against you. Or you can use them to relocate your entire tribe across the sunset sea, he is unlikely to follow you there.
Dalla: Seriously?
Bloodraven: And a dozen more ways! Hippogriphs are remarkably useful.
 
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"Basically, do more of what I told you to do in the first place. As if there was any doubt. Tch."

"Dusty old crow..."
 
And the Andal warlords. And the Ghiscari. And the gribblies.

The True Dragons showed them what concentrated overkill looked like first, though.
 
Crake said:
And the Andal warlords. And the Ghiscari. And the gribblies.

The True Dragons showed them what concentrated overkill looked like first, though.
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Yes, but with the Rhonyar in particular we have the story of that Prince Garin, who killed two dragons and wounded a third.
So Valyria send a hundred.

That's a tale of overkill if there ever was one.
 
das_slash said:
Dalla: Your pet dragon is meddling in my projects old raven! How do i prepare against him?
Bloodraven: well, its bad form to help Friends against Friends, but i suppose you would need more hippogriphs.
Dalla: yes! How many?
Bloodraven: well, should they cover the skies, with their numbers, they might run out of Magic before reaching you, after that their killing rate should slow down enough, that you can kill yourself before they reach you.
Dalla: ...
Bloodraven: alternatively, a gift of several dozens of hippogriphs might appease him enough that he does not move against you. Or you can use them to relocate your entire tribe across the sunset sea, he is unlikely to follow you there.
Dalla: seriously?
Bloodraven: and a dozen more ways! Hippogriphs are remarkably useful.
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Mount-spam is for suckers :D
 
Artemis1992 said:
Yes, but with the Rhonyar in particular we have the story of that Prince Garin, who killed two dragons and wounded a third.
So Valyria send a hundred.

That's a tale of overkill if there ever was one.
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A fine example of how to escalate to evil overlords everywhere. Instead of the normal serial escalation of slightly stronger forces every time allowing your opponents to gather experience and strength fighting you, if your border forces run into trouble, and then they send their elites who are rebuffed, immediately jump to the top of the escalation ladder and drop the hammer.
 
Diomedon said:
A fine example of how to escalate to evil overlords everywhere. Instead of the normal serial escalation of slightly stronger forces every time allowing your opponents to gather experience and strength fighting you, if your border forces run into trouble, and then they send their elites who are rebuffed, immediately jump to the top of the escalation ladder and drop the hammer.
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Good strategy if you can afford it.

Bad if there are fires everywhere and you have to neglect most to drop the hammer on one.

All depending on size of territory, number of problems and available ressources.
 
Valyrians seemed to only have two modes. "Resting on our laurels" and "disproportionate retribution".

Sense of priorities were not their strongest suit.
 
Oh Goldfish... just because you were on the money about their degeneracy doesn't mean you had to be so crass about what our ancestors were up to.
 
@DragonParadox Where there rumbles of possible Civil War back in Old Valyria before the Doom? Malarys must have known, as even the provinces would have been sucked into such a devastating war (and thus would have been informed of the general political going ons in the city). One theory for the doom was an intense civil war or coup that saw most of the mages controlling the Volcano sized Anti-Matter Reactor Fourteen Flames dead, thereby triggering the meltdown.
 
Or the even more ridiculous "memetic badass faceless men assassinated Valyrians mages hurr durr". Almost bad as the fucking Dornish wank.

In ASWaH that theory is even more ridiculous, because there were legitimately Elminster/Blackstaff Tier Valyrians running around who would obliterate Faceless Men for so much as looking at them funny.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Good strategy if you can afford it.

Bad if there are fires everywhere and you have to neglect most to drop the hammer on one.

All depending on size of territory, number of problems and available ressources.
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Well, naturally. I was mostly making a joking reference to the Evil Overlord List.

In the specific case of the Rhoynar, it made sense. It wasn't just the death of the dragons, but the conquest and near destruction of the Valryian cities of Selhorys, Valysar, and Volon Therys. Once it breached the bounds of limited war of city vs city, the Valryians immediately jumped to total war of extermination as an example. The example being "you do not win a war against Valryia," setting the best outcome as a draw pushing the Valryian's back, and that if you pursue a war beyond that you invite only ruin.
 
Crake said:
Or the even more ridiculous "memetic badass faceless men assassinated Valyrians mages hurr durr". Almost bad as the fucking Dornish wank.

In ASWaH that theory is even more ridiculous, because there were legitimately Elminster/Blackstaff Tier Valyrians running around who would obliterate Faceless Men for so much as looking at them funny.
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Please! If canon magic was all increased proportionally, then master Faceless Men are basically StealthDeath incarnate with a million Death Gods blessing their blades, hiding their presence and devouring the souls of their victims and all their families :D
Or maybe, you know, Valyrians killed each other and blamed it on the Faceless Men until everyone believed that shit. Whatever.
 
Crake said:
Or the even more ridiculous "memetic badass faceless men assassinated Valyrians mages hurr durr". Almost bad as the fucking Dornish wank.

In ASWaH that theory is even more ridiculous, because there were legitimately Elminster/Blackstaff Tier Valyrians running around who would obliterate Faceless Men for so much as looking at them funny.
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On the other hand, some crazy Cleric of the Death Gods prestige class that specializes in PC assassination could probably pull it off if they made it to the same levels.
 
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