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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Random thought of the night*:

We totally should buy all the maps there are in Braavos/any other appropriate market and have Bloodraven get them upgraded with any places of interest that aren't there already.
Of course they won't be of "Beyound-the-wall-legendary"-quality, but will surely jump a tier or two up.
I'm sure that he can point out dozens, if not hundreds, of places that are either dangerous or hide something interesting unbeknownst to common folk.

And if not, hey, at least he can help us map out dangerous places for our trading routes to not go through.


*3rd night in a row where I throw out here random ideas instead of sleeping. Looks like it's going to be a thing with me :/
 
egoo said:
Random thought of the night*:

We totally should buy all the maps there are in Braavos/any other appropriate market and have Bloodraven get them upgraded with any places of interest that aren't there already.
Of course they won't be of "Beyound-the-wall-legendary"-quality, but will surely jump a tier or two up.
I'm sure that he can point out dozens, if not hundreds, of places that are either dangerous or hide something interesting unbeknownst to common folk.

And if not, hey, at least he can help us map out dangerous places for our trading routes to not go through.


*3rd night in a row where I throw out here random ideas instead of sleeping. Looks like it's going to be a thing with me :/
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Already going to be taken care of. ;) I made sure buying all possible maps in Braavos was a minor action for this turn. We'll have an extensive collection by the time we next see Bloodraven.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Yes, once she's Dominated we can try to wring such things out of her.

For now I want answers for Probe Thought questions, so it's a bit more limited

Could we keep it to shorter questions for now?
Probe Thoughts gives you answers withing one round, so propably stay away from those that require longer answers.

We can ask all that if we manage to Dominate her without tripping some safety-measure.
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" You can learn the answer to one question per round, to the best of the subject's knowledge. You pose the questions telepathically, and the answers to those questions are imparted directly to your mind."

Actually you don't need to be answered in one round, it just does, because magic. It's like downloading a 5 minute song in 2 minutes.
 
Takesis said:
That said, why don't we visit Braavos again for the Fairwinds, Iron Bank business (offer them golem-making, our golems as proof of concept), a visit to the isle of gods for establishing a small temple to Yss there, and recruit some Moonsinger Faith acolytes to get our own temple to her.
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I'm not going to support selling any sort of Golem to anyone. Constructs are one thing, Golems are another entirely. They are anti-caster weapons first and foremost.

Right now, we don't really have the ability to produce very many types of Golem, and none of the higher tier ones. Most of the ones we could produce would need Viserys' help using Blood Wish. Once Lya can cast 7th level spells there are a few more we could build. There are others that will become available when her Arcane caster level reaches 12th. For now, here's what we can craft if we really want to (assuming Lya learns certain spells);

Golem, Flesh – d20PFSRD Never want to build one of these. They're cheap and easy, relatively speaking, but the Berserk feature sucks.

Golem, Clay – d20PFSRD Never want to build one of these either, for the same reason as the Flesh Golem.

Golem, Bone – d20PFSRD This one isn't bad at all and has a neat ability. Cost: 3075 IM

Golem, Coral – d20PFSRD This one is really good, considering SD's location. It would be an excellent anti-Mindflayer unit. Cost: 4312.5 IM

Golem, Junk – d20PFSRD Not impressive looking, but it's easy to build, cheap, and immune to most magic. Cost: 765 IM

Golem, Mask – d20PFSRD Not much to say about this one. Unusual, but not really worth building, IMO. Cost: 1687.5 IM

Golem, Rope (3pp) – d20PFSRD Here's another one with a neat ability that is cheap and easy to create. Cost: 1065 IM

Golem, Wax – d20PFSRD Cheap and easy to create, with an interesting ability, but not worth building, IMO. Cost: 1050 IM

Junk Golems are the way to go if we want to build any Golems for the next couple levels until Lya can learn some 7th level spells.
 
You know, the Red Dragons seem like perfect test subjects for the Elysium Fruit.

They're basically all predisposed to Evil, and thus we can test out the alignment changing properties.

But they are still mortal, and thus it isn't almost impossible to change their alignment.

Plus, I think it's been established that dragons are basically the best rulers, so we should always see about grabbing more :V
 
Duesal said:
That's the insanely odd thing. The Moonsinger goddess sounds nice. I can't reconcile her with the Jogos Nhai.
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Their circumstances justify their babarity, if only a little bit. They're living on an area undergoing desertification surrounded by fertile lands, so of course they go to war to feed themselves.

They also seem to be against slavery as their sworn enemies, the Patrimony of Hyrkoon(what a strange culture) and the Golden Empire of Yi Ti are prone to enslaving them.
 
...Now I imagine this, but with red wyrmlings being fed Elysium fruit.
 
DragonParadox said:
That limitation stands no matter how Viserys gets restoration I'm afraid. It's a conceptual sacrifice, a strain on one's ability yo use magic. Mind if he had lesser restoration on his class list he could use a Wand of Lesser Restoration freely and that would work.
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FYI you have said otherwise in the past.

DragonParadox said:
Yes restoration works fine as long as it is not applied by another Blood Wish, since that would make the price meaningless.
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Deliste said:
FYI you have said otherwise in the past.
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I think that was because it would normally be the only way Viserys could cast the spell on himself. I would prefer if we could skirt that limitation, but Blood Wish is so useful already that I am not going to complain that we can't totally cheese the mechanic.
 
Goldfish said:
I think that was because it would normally be the only way Viserys could cast the spell on himself. I would prefer if we could skirt that limitation, but Blood Wish is so useful already that I am not going to complain that we can't totally cheese the mechanic.
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I don't think it's unbalancing to spend another slot (and action!!) to heal the damage. If DP goes with his original ruling and we want healing we should go for Restoration at 3rd level from the Healer's list instead of the Lesser version.

There are a few other gems out there like the Trapsmith list.
 
Deliste said:
I don't think it's unbalancing to spend another slot (and action!!) to heal the damage. If DP goes with his original ruling and we want healing we should go for Restoration at 3rd level from the Healer's list instead of the Lesser version.

There are a few other gems out there like the Trapsmith list.
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It would be nice, but I'd like the amulet go to Lya if we can't have Viserys cast his own Restoration spells. The +4 Insight bonus to AC is very nice, and we've found some really good potential spells for her to gain from it.
 
I also prefer the amulet to go to Lya. She is much too squishy, without easy avenues for us to make her less squishy.
 
ryuan said:
She just need to add the PfE to something else them. Also the +Con quality.
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She gets her +Constitution from her belt. DP already said we can add the PfE effect to the new amulet, so that's what Lya is going to be doing at the end of the month. Teana will get Lya's old PfE amulet.
 
Goldfish said:
It would be nice, but I'd like the amulet go to Lya if we can't have Viserys cast his own Restoration spells. The +4 Insight bonus to AC is very nice, and we've found some really good potential spells for her to gain from it.
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I think that's a huge waste to be honest, the AC is nice but the spell addition to Viserys is infinitely better than saving Lya a week of studying, especially when she already has access to Divine and Arcane.

E.g. Viserys could get Mislead from the Teflammar list at 3rd level, or Greater Dispel Magic from Trapsmith or even Divine Power from Runescarred Berserker to have BAB=HD and +6 Strength.

Lya getting this would be an absolute crime.
 
Deliste said:
I think that's a huge waste to be honest, the AC is nice but the spell addition to Viserys is infinitely better than saving Lya a week of studying, especially when she already has access to Divine and Arcane.

E.g. Viserys could get Mislead from the Teflammar list at 3rd level, or Greater Dispel Magic from Trapsmith or even Divine Power from Runescarred Berserker to have BAB=HD and +6 Strength.

Lya getting this would be an absolute crime.
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DP hasn't ruled yet on whether or not we'd be able to use the disparity in spell levels between spells on some lists to our advantage. If he comes down on the cheese side, I would definitely prefer it for Viserys. The lesser amulet would still be nice for Lya.
 
Trapsmith list indeed makes it disgustingly good.

Even the lesser versions. Maelor could seriously use Haste, for example. Or Clairvoyance.

Viserys would be great with Greater Dispel at level 3.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Trapsmith list indeed makes it disgustingly good.

Even the lesser versions. Maelor could seriously use Haste, for example. Or Clairvoyance.

Viserys would be great with Greater Dispel at level 3.
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Yeah, that would be awesome.

But so would Fabricate. At 15th level, he'll be able to use Ancestral Awakening to learn Divine Insight. With all the skill points we'll have available, we could invest a point in Woodworking, Sculpture, Leatherworking, and Metalworking. Viserys would be able to make anything with ease.
 
Goldfish said:
Yeah, that would be awesome.

But so would Fabricate. At 15th level, he'll be able to use Ancestral Awakening to learn Divine Insight. With all the skill points we'll have available, we could invest a point in Woodworking, Sculpture, Leatherworking, and Metalworking. Viserys would be able to make anything with ease.
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So much salt from the other wizards you wouldn't believe.
 
ryuan said:
So much salt from the other wizards you wouldn't believe.
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The more I think about it, the more I want to use the amulet to learn Fabricate. Lya can use Fabricate to amazing effect, but she's limited by her spell slots. If Viserys could cast it at 3rd level, he could use it dozens of times in a single day. He could almost certainly outpace the Lyre of Building.

Imagine Viserys rolls into a Westerosi town, has a few drinks at the local pub, chats up the locals, then rebuilds the entire town to Masterwork quality in less than an hour of spellcasting.

The rumors would be glorious.
 
Goldfish said:
The more I think about it, the more I want to use the amulet to learn Fabricate. Lya can use Fabricate to amazing effect, but she's limited by her spell slots. If Viserys could cast it at 3rd level, he could use it dozens of times in a single day. He could almost certainly outpace the Lyre of Building.

Imagine Viserys rolls into a Westerosi town, has a few drinks at the local pub, chats up the locals, then rebuilds the entire town to Masterwork quality in less than an hour of spellcasting.

The rumors would be glorious.
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If we can pull that off then almost any cost for the Amulet is worth it.
 
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