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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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@Goldfish - how about Paragon Surge as originally written, just with the exclusion of 'Expanded Arcana'? That would leave Blood Wish it's niche, and getting access to any metamagic feat / others on the fly is still something worthwile.
 
[X] Chained tounges on all party memebrs from Dany or Malarys if they have the turns available (or maybe offer it to the Djinn so she can speak to everyone)
-[X] Let Waymar speak
 
DragonParadox said:
That works.
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Thanks. So how's this? I put the minor Enhancement bonuses back in, to bring it closer in line to original Paragon Surge.

Ancestral Awakening
Transmutation
Level: Sorcerer 3
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Personal (Dragon-Blooded only)
Target: You
Duration: 1 minute/level (D)

As you complete the ancient incantation, your blood sings with the power of your Draconic ancestors.

You call on the natural might and sorcerous skill due your blood. A subtle change comes over your body, emphasizing your Draconic heritage. For the duration of the spell, you gain a +2 Enhancement bonus to Strength and Natural Armor. Furthermore, you either add two spells of up to 3rd level from your available spell lists to your list of spells known, or you are treated as if you possessed any one Metamagic feat of your choice.

The first time each day that you cast this spell, you must select the spells or feat you will learn. Once that choice is made, it is set for the day and additional castings must make the exact same decisions.
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@DragonParadox, thing is that Lya gets 3 Blood Wishes per day for free and Dany can Dreamcast similarly.
Neither of them broke the balance so far.

I'm with TNE, that tying Blood Wish to Charisma is actually making it weaker then those two.
 
[X] Chained tounges on all party memebrs from Dany or Malarys if they have the turns available (or maybe offer it to the Djinn so she can speak to everyone)
-[X] Let Waymar speak

@Everyone My apologies for derailing the previous thread discussion.
 
Every party member needs to become a polyglot. Being able to instantly transition into another tongue with only a faint discernible accent at best due to memorizing so many languages and being close to an expert in linguistics as likely exists in-setting is something wholly better than being merely understood.

People like you more if it seems like you're going out of their way for them. Doubly impressive when their estimation of your character upgrades from "foreign savage" to "learned foreigner" for the assholes and "strange mage" to "man/woman of culture" for the better sorts.
Adhoc vote count started by Crake on Feb 4, 2018 at 7:44 AM, finished with 148422 posts and 11 votes.
  • [X] Chained tounges on all party memebrs from Dany or Malarys if they have the turns available (or maybe offer it to the Djinn so she can speak to everyone)
    -[X] Let Waymar speak
    [x] Let Waymar answer
    [X] Plan Talking Shop
    -[X] Get Waymar a Tongues spell to talk to her.
    -[X] Viserys goes to the Shaitan commander: "I take it your task was to bring her to a curse breaker in the Opaline Vault? Are your oaths of silence now discharged? If so, I would like to know what happened here."
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Azel said:
@DragonParadox, thing is that Lya gets 3 Blood Wishes per day for free and Dany can Dreamcast similarly.
Neither of them broke the balance so far.

I'm with TNE, that tying Blood Wish to Charisma is actually making it weaker then those two.
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It's less than ideal, but I can live with it, especially if it only causes 1 point of Charisma damage (fingers crossed!).
 
DragonParadox said:
Lya can only cast out of the spells he knows and Dany out of the spells she has seen with a possibility of failure if she goes for things not on her class list.
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Paragon Surge as written is basically us asking for the ability to match what Dany does effortlessly with Dreamcasting, and due to her access to metamagic for Turning, what she does is arguably stronger. To put it simply, this is another incarnation of 'x characters can do what Viserys does but better'. Is that a frustrating thing to have to deal with, probably (sorry). But that doesn't stop it being true in a lot of ways. Blood Wish won't solve this problem, especially with tying it to Cha damage when we can't afford to take too much of that. The major problem is that Clerics and Wizards both get access to means to bypass the restrictions on their spell lists and even some of the downsides being a prepared spellcaster is meant to give you. One need only look at Anyspell and its Greater variant within the Spell domain for an example - and Dany could get access to both of those with a single domain staff.
 
DragonParadox said:
Lya can only cast out of the spells he knows and Dany out of the spells she has seen with a possibility of failure if she goes for things not on her class list.
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Looking at Lyas spellbook and the vastness of the Cleric list, that's not really the same as ganking your casting stat.

Maybe 1 point worth, but more then that would mean Viserys has to weaken himself significantly to get the same bang as Lya and Dany.
 
I don't really see the point in trying to make Viserys equal in all matters of magic to his party.

He splits his attention between pure magic, beeing the party-face and working as a king.
Of course he's not as good as magic as those who spend their entire life and work on it.
 
I'm fine with taking a gank to our casting stat if you allow for Viserys himself to cast Restoration without crying foul. That's two 7th level spells he's wasting, after all.
 
Snowfire said:
Paragon Surge as written is basically us asking for the ability to match what Dany does effortlessly with Dreamcasting, and due to her access to metamagic for Turning, what she does is arguably stronger. To put it simply, this is another incarnation of 'x characters can do what Viserys does but better'. Is that a frustrating thing to have to deal with, probably (sorry). But that doesn't stop it being true in a lot of ways. Blood Wish won't solve this problem, especially with tying it to Cha damage when we can't afford to take too much of that. The major problem is that Clerics and Wizards both get access to means to bypass the restrictions on their spell lists and even some of the downsides being a prepared spellcaster is meant to give you. One need only look at Anyspell and its Greater variant within the Spell domain for an example - and Dany could get access to both of those with a single domain staff.
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I get the frustration but Viserys was never supposed to be a magical Swiss Army Knife. His keyword is meant to be overwhelming power not flexibility, whether that is conjuring flames that can burn creatures of fire, or convincing even the most obstinate listener through sheer preternatural charisma.

Azel said:
Looking at Lyas spellbook and the vastness of the Cleric list, that's not really the same as ganking your casting stat.

Maybe 1 point worth, but more then that would mean Viserys has to weaken himself significantly to get the same bang as Lya and Dany.
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1 point sounds about right for Blood Wish.
 
MTB said:
How does an item get infinite spell slots?
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Heh. Lemme show you. You craft it as a use-activated custom magical item, with an activation clause of 'wearer expends a spell slot of level 3 or lower'. So spell level (3) x caster level (3) x 2000 = 18,000 gp (before crafting discounts, IM conversion, planar reagents, etc). Double the cost if you want to make it slotless. The way the magical item creation rules work, this means that whenever the wearer of this item expands a spell slot of level 3 or less, this item casts Channel the Gift on them, substituting the need for that spell slot. Combined with Versatile Spellcaster, this gives effectively unlimited 1st-4th level spellcasting for any spontaneous caster.

tl;dr some of Pathfinder's spells are just silly.
 
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Snowfire said:
Heh. Lemme show you. You craft it as a use-activated custom magical item, with an activation clause of 'wearer expends a spell slot of level 3 or lower'. So spell level (3) x caster level (3) x 2000 = 18,000 gp (before crafting discounts, IM conversion, planar reagents, etc). Double the cost if you want to make it slotless. The way the magical item creation rules work, this now means that whenever the wearer of this item casts a level 3 spell or less, this item casts Channel the Gift on them, substituting the need for that spell slot with its own power. Combined with Versatile Spellcaster, this gives effectively unlimited 1st-4th level spellcasting for any spontaneous caster.

tl;dr some of Pathfinder's spells are just silly.
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That is some Grade A Cheese there..:V
 
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