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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Helo89 said:
Having a dedicated spy would help fill that niche.
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I'm particularly salty about this.

Nymeria was supposed to help fill this position. When she asked to come to our kingdom we all thought that meant she was joining us, but no. Apparently she was just visiting for the hell of it.

Tyene has very quickly become the only Sand Snake I have faith in, and even then we still need to keep an eye on her to make sure she doesn't act irrationally for the sake of her family.
 
You know, if there is one thing I can rely on around here, it's that y'all know how to nurse a grudge. I've seen less careful tending from 20 year veteran childcare professionals. :V
 
Azel said:
That was quite a typo you made there.
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By the way, regarding Elia's resurrection, even though coaxing Rhaella through catching up on current events and not breaking her as been painfully slow and basically like walking on glass and it's not something I even remotely want to do again, we kind of have to do the same for Elia. :facepalm:

I straight-up don't trust the Martells with doing that properly, and I want her to be as pro-Targ as possible by the end of it, especially since we have to work past the colossal failures of Rhaegar and Aerys.
Diomedon said:
You know, if there is one thing I can rely on around here, it's that y'all know how to nurse a grudge. I've seen less careful tending from 20 year veteran childcare professionals. :V
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It's perfectly IC for a dragon. ;)
 
I might partially delegate Elia's adjustment period to Tyene and potentially Rhaella (depending on how good the relationship between Rhaella and Elia was, and Elia's initial feelings towards Rhaegar. It's unclear how much of a supporter of the "Prince who was Promised" prophecy she was, so her attitude there might diverge wildly).

Edit: Kidnapping at least one of Amory Lorch or Gregor Clegane ahead of time for them might also help. Knowing her murderers are literally dying slowly and painfully in the dungeons is a kind of comfort.
 
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Duesal said:
By the way, regarding Elia's resurrection, even though coaxing Rhaella through catching up on current events and not breaking her as been painfully slow and basically like walking on glass and it's not something I even remotely want to do again, we kind of have to do the same for Elia. :facepalm:

I straight-up don't trust the Martells with doing that properly, and I want her to be as pro-Targ as possible by the end of it, especially since we have to work past the colossal failures of Rhaegar and Aerys.

It's perfectly IC for a dragon. ;)
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Maybe the best way to that isn't to make her pro-Targ but Pro-Viserys. We are already attached to the whole concept of the cult of personality thing anyway.
 
Diomedon said:
I might partially delegate Elia's adjustment period to Tyene and potentially Rhaella (depending on how good the relationship between Rhaella and Elia was, and Elia's initial feelings towards Rhaegar. It's unclear how much of a supporter of the "Prince who was Promised" prophecy she was, so her attitude there might diverge wildly).
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Tyene's probably going to abuse her Divine Insight like nobody's business when the time comes. :p
Helo89 said:
Maybe the best way to that isn't to make her pro-Targ but Pro-Viserys. We are already attached to the whole concept of the cult of personality thing anyway.
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That's certainly my best-case scenario.
 
Diomedon said:
I might partially delegate Elia's adjustment period to Tyene and potentially Rhaella (depending on how good the relationship between Rhaella and Elia was, and Elia's initial feelings towards Rhaegar. It's unclear how much of a supporter of the "Prince who was Promised" prophecy she was, so her attitude there might diverge wildly).

Edit: Kidnapping at least one of Amory Lorch or Gregor Clegane ahead of time for them might also help. Knowing her murderers are literally dying slowly and painfully in the dungeons is a kind of comfort.
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I wouldn't get involved in Elia's recovery at all.

Magic to keep her functional, then let her family take over.
 
Duesal said:
By the way, regarding Elia's resurrection, even though coaxing Rhaella through catching up on current events and not breaking her as been painfully slow and basically like walking on glass and it's not something I even remotely want to do again, we kind of have to do the same for Elia. :facepalm:

I straight-up don't trust the Martells with doing that properly, and I want her to be as pro-Targ as possible by the end of it, especially since we have to work past the colossal failures of Rhaegar and Aerys.

It's perfectly IC for a dragon. ;)
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I do hope Viserys doesn't start thinking too much like a Dragon.

The big thing with Dragon Blooded was supposed to be that you became Dragon in body, but not in mind if I recall correctly.
Making jokes about it is fine, but if Viserys starts to actually act like a Dragon (such as Relath) I admit that I will be quite displeased.
 
Raichu1972 said:
I do hope Viserys doesn't start thinking too much like a Dragon.

The big thing with Dragon Blooded was supposed to be that you became Dragon in body, but not in mind if I recall correctly.
Making jokes about it is fine, but if Viserys starts to actually act like a Dragon (such as Relath) I admit that I will be quite displeased.
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He's going to become a True Dragon in all ways, but he's far too tempered by his experiences and companions and family to ever act like the average True Red. He's not going to go CE and start burning down random kingdoms to loot their treasuries and leave the people to starve, he won't start blasting everyone who so much as looks at him wrong, etc. He's still going to be Viserys.

Besides, Viserys already thinks of himself as a dragon and everything's fine. ;)
DragonParadox said:
The heavy chest of iron bound oak is a very common sort of vessel to hold enough coin to buy an entire fleet or even a small kingdom and all within it, intentionally so you would imagine to aid in your ruse, threadbare though it may be to those who have any care for looking closely.

Lya measures its dimensions with an odd abstract sort of greed in her gaze. "You know I could probably build you an army with that much coin to spend... or a dragon. Would you like a dragon?"

"I am a dragon," you laugh, wondering all the while what the stone-faced guards must be thinking. "And sellswords are cheaper..."
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Raichu1972 said:
I do hope Viserys doesn't start thinking too much like a Dragon.

The big thing with Dragon Blooded was supposed to be that you became Dragon in body, but not in mind if I recall correctly.
Making jokes about it is fine, but if Viserys starts to actually act like a Dragon (such as Relath) I admit that I will be quite displeased.
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Hate to break it to you, but it's a long standing fact that the thread is acting very draconic.

We just happen to be one of the smarter ones, who is capable of spending most of its current hoard to ensure a vastly larger hoard in the future.
 
Artemis1992 said:
I wouldn't get involved in Elia's recovery at all.

Magic to keep her functional, then let her family take over.
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That would live little Rhaenys in the hands of the Dornish after we inevitably raise her though. Now I know this doesn't mean much to you, but I for one would like to keep All live capital T Targs in SD, home, where they belong... having more spellslinging loyal targs would be nice too.

@Diomedon @Azel Sellswords ahoy! By the way, when should we do our Legion speech? I'm thinking just a few days pre Tyrosh, when there's more of them and we can blast them more thoroughly with high level diplomancy. I want these soldiers to be devoted damnit, a far cry from anything Planetos has seen for the last 600 years, institutional devotion...

@DragonParadox how are you handling their training? A lot of us want to micromanage not only stuff about weapons and armor, but cultural stuff too, like having "political classes" for example.
 
Azel said:
Hate to break it to you, but it's a long standing fact that the thread is acting very draconic.

We just happen to be one of the smarter ones, who is capable of spending most of its current hoard to ensure a vastly larger hoard in the future.
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It also seemed to be a fact that the thread isn't Viserys, otherwise he would be threatening to kill literally everyone he meets and would be trying to summon Devils to collect his taxes.

To get some clarification, @DragonParadox does Viserys think of himself as a Dragon, and does this effect how he acts around others?
 
Raichu1972 said:
I do hope Viserys doesn't start thinking too much like a Dragon.

The big thing with Dragon Blooded was supposed to be that you became Dragon in body, but not in mind if I recall correctly.
Making jokes about it is fine, but if Viserys starts to actually act like a Dragon (such as Relath) I admit that I will be quite displeased.
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Well, the big point was, as far as I understood DP, that Viserys will keep thinking human as long as he actually values that humanity and wants to keep it despite transformations.
Giving in to draconic instincts has always been on the table, since our first Dragondream, but we are not fully going there.

Duesal said:
But we're family. Tyene is her niece. Rhaella is her goodmother. We're her goodbrother. Dany's her good sister.
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Still, her brothers wanted her, so they can deal with her.

Azel said:
Hate to break it to you, but it's a long standing fact that the thread is acting very draconic.

We just happen to be one of the smarter ones, who is capable of spending most of its current hoard to ensure a vastly larger hoard in the future.
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We are far from your average Red, all that greed and pride and wrath is mostly held in check.
 
Duesal said:
@TotallyNotEvil, can I get a response to this?


By the way, @Goldfish @TotallyNotEvil, since we're going to be bringing Lya up to Bloodraven for our next trip North--to learn lore directly, learn the basics of First Men wards and to get the chance to study the wards of that giant weirwood, and to learn spells--can you guys think ahead on which druid spells you want her to learn? Particularly the spells that would be hard for us to buy.

We saw Bloodraven cast Stone to Flesh, a level 6 Sorcerer spell. And I just did some reading on Bloodraven's predominant class Arcane Heirophant and--like Lya's Sage of Creation class--it advances an arcane spellcasting class and a divine spellcasting class.

So Bloodraven, to our knowledge, currently has this:

Although it is very likely he's gained a level since then given how much he dreams and the things he regularly fights in the Far north. So he effectively has the casting power of a level 13 Druid, meaning he has access to Druid spells up to level 6 at minimum.

One thing, though, is that the Old Gods have a hate-boner for Ice spells because of the Others. But that aside the only major restriction is the amount of Lya time we spend up there learning the spells, so they'd have to be the absolute best picks. Do you guys have anything on your wishlists?

EDIT: Hell, we could get any level 6 Arcane Spells that Bloodraven happens to know as well.
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I'm not familiar enough with the Druid spell list to be of much help until I get home and can look through my books to refresh my memory.
 
Helo89 said:
In that case, I officially petition that our bard arcanum should be a male and should be made one of our intelligence agents.
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Not a chance. Sorry.

I'll fight that just as strongly as I did against sparing the Dothraki. I might have lost that battle, but I don't think this one will need to be quite so hard fought.
 
DragonParadox said:
Lya measures its dimensions with an odd abstract sort of greed in her gaze. "You know I could probably build you an army with that much coin to spend... or a dragon. Would you like a dragon?"
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We should have Lya make a dragon at some point, not at the moment we aren't rich enough it's worth it, but when we have gotten even richer, well Lya being a woman who can make dragons, would do a lot to make her a more acceptable match.

Or give Lya some other equally impressive projects, ennobling her will help with making people accept our eventual marriage, but so will making sure she's known for impressive stuff, sure she already make plenty of impressive stuff, but it's not the kind of stuff everyone understands, artificial dragons and flying ships however, that's the kind of impressive that even the dimmest peasant understand.
 
Azel said:
I would say it isn't held in check, just channelled in a productive fashion.

Much like how Aerys had similar grand dreams as Viserys, but couldn't see them through.
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Yeah, Viserys certainly has those urges, but he channels them productively. He covets, but he covets things like competent people (see Jeor Mormont) that you can't simply steal (you have to talk them into stealing themselves for you). He's reluctant to part with his money, so he ensures he gets good value before doing so.

It's the wrath bit that will likely be most difficult to wrestle with, but he's had time to learn the value of turning anger cold and waiting for the kill.
 
tarrangar said:
We should have Lya make a dragon at some point, not at the moment we aren't rich enough it's worth it, but when we have gotten even richer, well Lya being a woman who can make dragons, would do a lot to make her a more acceptable match.

Or give Lya some other equally impressive projects, ennobling her will help with making people accept our eventual marriage, but so will making sure she's known for impressive stuff, sure she already make plenty of impressive stuff, but it's not the kind of stuff everyone understands, artificial dragons and flying ships however, that's the kind of impressive that even the dimmest peasant understand.
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The other Lyas flying around and doing stuff for us should be impressive too.
 
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