I'm pretty "eh" about the whole thing. I know Bloodraven told us it'd be a valuable PR tool, but 1) This egg was promised to Valaena and I don't intend to break that promise, and 2) It's still painfully redundant.

If you really want, we can wait until we get a second egg to hatch, and then we hatch the second egg for Viserys before we hatch Valaena's egg. That way Viserys has the eldest dragon.

Reason to scour the Dragonmont right there. Would only take around a day with the Wayfinder.

Anyway, Bloodraven Question List updated with all answered questions crossed out with relevant quotes below.

Or we can simply rule that all Valyrian Dragons are royal property, and thus belong to Viserys. Dragons are merely paired with a rider temporarily, typically while serving in our administration in one manner or another. In some cases, stewardship of a dragon might be passed down a loyal family line, such as the Velaryons, but it will always belong to us.
 
Or we can simply rule that all Valyrian Dragons are royal property, and thus belong to Viserys. Dragons are merely paired with a rider temporarily, typically while serving in our administration in one manner or another. In some cases, stewardship of a dragon might be passed down a loyal family line, such as the Velaryons, but it will always belong to us.
That wouldn't go over well with Malarys. Fair warning.

If he gets a dragon he's going to want it to be his dragon.
 
While somewhat silly, the "Am Dragon, Argument Irrelevant" thread meme is appropriate in many cases, including any time someone tries to question Viserys' right to the Iron Throne.

It's just that many will see a dragon rider as a better option to a dragon shapeshifter because it's a more known thing and because the historical seven kingdom kings were dragon riders. I'm afraid that even if said dragon rider would be completely loyal to us, their presence will still hurt our legitimacy in a crucial time and rob us of allies that would have been resigned to side with us because they didn't have a better choice and we would be giving them that better (in their minds) if we give away the dragon, those people will then have a good reason to refuse to help us and demand that the dragon rider be put on the throne, not because they actually want said rider on the throne, but just so that they can "lawfully" not help us.

Also, our war-priest will be pissed if our first dragon wouldn't be either us, danny or his.

Ugh, I'm way too tired and my rambling don't make sense no more.
 
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That wouldn't go over well with Malarys. Fair warning.

If he gets a dragon he's going to want it to be his dragon.

And it can be, for all intents and purposes. Then when he dies, it will revert back to royal control.

It will be like a company car, that flies and breaths fire. So long as he works for us, it's his to use as needed.
 
Part MDCXXXVII: Of Halls of Stone and Days Gone By
Of Halls of Stone and Days Gone By

Nineteenth Day of the Twelfth Month 292 AC

Not long after you leave Bloodraven's presence, Soft Strider finds you again and offers to show you the cave, or at least those parts of the vast halls that the Children have explored in their time here, for there remains fastnesses so deep and inaccessible that none have ventured there in more than a millennia of life and death. Driven by a desire to keep Dany from any more rash exploration as well as curiosity of your own, you gladly accept.

You see first the barn of sort where hardy grey goats are kept. They seem quite large and strong to your intermittently inexperienced eye in such matters, but your guide insists that there is nothing special about their breed. Then you are brought by deep and winding paths to the very shore of the river that flows beneath the Last Greenseer's cave. and there you see blind white fish set out to dry upon simple frames and seaweed left to ferment into tea-stock of some kind.

The further you go from the central complex the more the sounds and sights of life recede... until only the dead watching from the alcoves remain in silent witness of your passage: the delicate skulls of the Children lie besides those of giants and more rarely of men, as well as those of beasts and birds set either at random, or more likely, in a pattern you cannot guess at.

"Why do you keep them around you?" Dany asks at last as you pass by a row of skulls that are diminutive even by the measure of the Singers—the bones of infants.

"Where else would we keep them? This is our home," your guide answers. The fitful torch-light shines in wide golden eyes. "It is comforting to know them near, their wisdom still close to us at need."

"Their spirits still linger here?" you ask, surprised. Not once have you felt the unnatural cold that marks the unquiet dead in these twisting corridors.

"No." For a moment she seems quite disturbed by the notion, but visibly controls herself. "They come when called. If their true names are sung the bones remember for a short time at least."

"So any one of these many dead could be called?" your sister asks.

"Only those whose names are remembered," Soft Strider replies. After a moment she adds, "A name is only truly heard from one's own lips, and the dead cannot speak of them for they do not remember all that they were."

"So you may only summon back those you knew in life," you conclude. A part of you wonders how they do it, but you can hardly ask for a demonstration.

Luckily the next chamber is distracting enough, being filled with the bones of giant bats hanging from the ceiling and strung together by threads of withered flesh, and the one after that is filled with the rancorous calls of scores, hundreds of ravens and crows...

"That one has a letter," Ser Richard calls, pointing to one which indeed seems to have something strapped to its leg.

"Sometimes that Seer calls them from the south, when he wishes a message lost, and sometimes he writes others in their place," Soft Strider explains.

"Surely it would be suspicious with the time it takes the birds to fly all the way from here," the knight says.

"Not if they are sent beforehand as I was," she replies with a small smile. "For three weeks I traveled south knowing that you would offer sacrifice and ask the gods for safe passage."

For all your great deeds and plans grander still you cannot help but feel rather small before the implications of that, all the more so for the fact that they are spoken plainly, a simple fact of life here, in the heart of the Old Gods' power.

***​

When you return to Bloodraven's chamber you find him in good spirits and thus conclude what whatever his business it must have ended favorably but still you do not press. Instead you ask of the secrets of your House that might be found sealed in the Red Keep or else in Dragonstone or Summerhall.

He begins to speak slowly as though he struggles with the memories of another life, but his voice quickly gains strength. "Of Summerhall I can say with some surety that it held no heirloom in my day and if any were brought there in Aegon's failed bid to return the dragons to the world I would not think they would have survived the fire. I suppose any artifacts of Valyrian Steel might have endured though I would not wager much upon the notion."

"Did you ever learn anything of the deeper magics of spellsteel?" you interrupt. "In our travels we have found some things but the lore remains incomplete." You continue to explain all that you had learned of the matter.

"There is only one spell that I worked with Valyran steel in my youth, one I discovered in notes I suspect must have belonged to Queen Visenya or King Maegor. It drained the virtue from it to empower a ritual of good fortune." No doubt seeing your surprise he adds, "You must remember that magic was thin then, as rare as water in the Dornish desert compared to the flood we see about us today. Spells I can work in an instant now cost hours, perhaps even days of preparation and sacrifice then."

"What object did you sacrifice?" Dany asks, probably as reticent as you are to ask if he ever used some other kind of sacrifice.

"Three razor blades, half a dozen needles, and a hair comb if memory serves," he replies, lipless mouth twitching into a smile at your reactions. "Kings and princes are not always the most sensible with how they use their treasures. Do you wish to learn the ritual?"

"What will it do?" you ask

"Now, I'm not sure," he admits. "It might allow you to use spells beyond your strength. It might simply unmake the steel for no true use. It might even create a perilous conflagration of magic. It might offer some insight into the nature of the steel if nothing else."

What do you do?

[] Learn the ritual

[] Do not learn the ritual, Bloodraven will have it transcribed along with all the other lore


OOC: Information on the Red Keep, Dragonstone, and the death of the dragons in the next update.
 
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It's just that many will see a dragon rider as a better option to a dragon shapeshifter because it's a more known thing and because the historical seven kingdom kings were dragon riders. I'm afraid that even if said dragon rider would be completely loyal to us, their presence will still hurt our legitimacy in a crucial time and rob us of allies that would have been resigned to side with us because they didn't have a better choice and we would be giving them that better (in their minds) if we give away the dragon, those people will then have a good reason to refuse to help us and demand that the dragon rider be put on the throne, not because they actually want said rider on the throne, but just so that they can "lawfully" not help us.

Ugh, I'm way too tired and my rambling don't make sense no more.

Screw that. If such a scenario presents itself, we simply kill them and check to see if their heir is less stupid and more loyal.
 
Screw that. If such a scenario presents itself, we simply kill them and check with their relatives to see if someone will be less stupid and more loyal.

That's the problem I want to avoid, because people are (rightfully) more loyal to their family than their superiors and deposing or killing one of them will just make us more enemies. Let's just have the first dragon for ourselves so that this entire series of scenarios be avoided
 
That's the problem I want to avoid, because people are (rightfully) more loyal to their family than their superiors and deposing or killing one of them will just make us more enemies. Let's just have the first dragon for ourselves so that this entire series of scenarios be avoided

You're missing the bit where the dragon rider is loyal to us. Their justification is gone when Valaena goes "Viserys is my king."
 
That's the problem I want to avoid, because people are (rightfully) more loyal to their family than their superiors and deposing or killing one of them will just make us more enemies. Let's just have the first dragon for ourselves so that this entire series of scenarios be avoided

Sorry, not only do I not think that will happen, the scenario for such a justification is so convoluted as to be nonsensical.

"Oh, he can't possibly be king, he turns into a dragon rather than riding a dragon! Simply preposterous!"

:rolleyes:
 
No to mention we could take out both the rider and the dragon within six seconds using pain darts followed by polymorphing the dragon into a turtle.
 
Why would the mid level cleric from a high magic society of ruthless despots plan to do something as plebeian as die?

Well, I would hope he has the desire to live forever, but as the world isn't overrun with thousands of Sorcerer Lich Dragonlords, I have a feeling that living beyond ones natural lifespan, or at least extending it with such drastic measures as Undeath, was culturally taboo.

There are, of course, other options to extend his life, but the point stands.
 
Well, I would hope he has the desire to live forever, but as the world isn't overrun with thousands of Sorcerer Lich Dragonlords, I have a feeling that living beyond ones natural lifespan, or at least extending it with such drastic measures as Undeath, was culturally taboo.

There are, of course, other options to extend his life, but the point stands.

The Doom and subsequent loss of magic was not kind on most immortals. Those that did not get fried generally crumbled
 
Like I said, that doesn't matter. People will still demand that the rider be king. Lots of rebelions and assassinations were done in order for unwilling people to become monarchs both in ASoIaF and our own world.

Again, that's just silly and makes no sense.

No one is that stupid, even if they're just pretending for the sake of having a reason to oppose us. Everyone else in the kingdom would think they were mentally deficient, and soon there would be mocking songs being sung in taverns making light of the idiots who tried to make the argument.
 
Like I said, that doesn't matter. People will still demand that the rider be king. Lots of rebelions and assassinations were done in order for unwilling people to become monarchs both in ASoIaF and our own world.

And like I said, their demands are irrelevant. It's hard to convince people to rebel in support of a girl they do not have in their possession, who doesn't support them, and who we'd likely send to lead the troops in putting down said rebellion.

Your scenario doesn't make any sense.
 
Like I said, that doesn't matter. People will still demand that the rider be king. Lots of rebelions and assassinations were done in order for unwilling people to become monarchs both in ASoIaF and our own world.
If we're worried about people being stupid then we might as well worry all day. Any attempts done in behalf of Valaena will be so pathetic compared to those of our actual foes we probably won't notice them.

Like seriously, when some band of non-magical assassins sent to kill us runs into a Mind Flayer sent to kill us in the tunnels of the Red Keep, they'll get turned into snacks and when we find the bodies we won't care to find out what they were doing there before their brains got munched on.
 
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Sorry, not only do I not think that will happen, the scenario for such a justification is so convoluted as to be nonsensical.

"Oh, he can't possibly be king, he turns into a dragon rather than riding a dragon! Simply preposterous!"

:rolleyes:

Turning into a dragon is somthing scary and alien while riding a dragon is less scary and alien, people will want what frightens them less and will be willing to fight for it. or most likely, they'll use it as an excuse to not commit to us like Tywin did to Aerys.
 
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