A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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No problem, paranoia is something I understand all too well.
And yes, I specifically ask about secrets of our enemies in question 42.
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And it's not like we won't get more Valyrian dragons pretty soon anyways. What advantage will giving away the first dragon give us besides a rider a bit sooner? I'd rather have the prestige and legitimacy and less trouble than having a dragon rider a month or two sooner.
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I doubt Malarys would think of us as not being "top dog" when we're an actual dragon.
Like, I could get this is we were just going to go for the "Viserys, Sorcerer Supreme" route, but Viserys will be a Dragon in two levels.
If Malarys gets offended because the Dragon doesn't want to ride a shittier Dragon, than he's an idiot and we will have to correct his worldview.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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@Duesal so, how much more questions do we still have unanswered?
Preferably without skipping any, if only in hope of "SUDDENLY, Bloodraven is actually proficient and knows much on subject because of his intrigues/Old Gods/etc." like with this map we've got.
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I'm pretty sure noone actually expected it to get anything more than a few vague markings saying "Probably Others, lol" and "Here be White Dragons" at random places.
Hmm.
Hmmmm.
We are soooo doing moon base. Or, well, space expansion at the very least.
We're going to make satellite arrays that'll magically create the most detailed map of the entirety of Planetos.
And then we'll have our own GoogleMaps, only not shit.
Preferably without skipping any, if only in hope of "SUDDENLY, Bloodraven is actually proficient and knows much on subject because of his intrigues/Old Gods/etc." like with this map we've got.
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I'm pretty sure noone actually expected it to get anything more than a few vague markings saying "Probably Others, lol" and "Here be White Dragons" at random places.
Hmm.
Hmmmm.
We are soooo doing moon base. Or, well, space expansion at the very least.
We're going to make satellite arrays that'll magically create the most detailed map of the entirety of Planetos.
And then we'll have our own GoogleMaps, only not shit.
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That's a decent point. But for Viserys, getting a dragon would be rather redundant given the expected growth time and the high level of combat we will be fighting in. Viserys will soon be able to turn into a much superior dragon in a level or two. And, I am fairly confident most of not all of our party could kill or remove the dragon on their own.
Edit: Damn Ninjas.
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I believe an egg was promised, for what it's worth there would be no breaking of our word.
Diomedea
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I strongly disagree. Malarys needs to learn to adjust. If it ruffles his feathers that we don't have a stick up our butt about being the first dragonrider and obsessive and stupid about power hoarding, then his feathers need ruffling, because we're not changing how we interact with our party or handle our diplomacy to please him.
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Yeah, personally I'd prefer to go through all remaining questions one by one. That map was a very nice surprise. I was half expecting him to just point out a few ruins here and there, not for him to get offended at how wrong our map was and proceed to redraw the entire thing to literal godly accuracy.
But we wouldn't be changing anything though, Viserys has always been practical when it comes to diplomacy and getting the first dragon is more practical for us. Again, the advantages are more prestige, more legitimacy, less trouble, less spending, less plots and dissidence against us while the disadvantage is that we get a proper dragon rider a bit later than what we could have.
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It's really not though, existing is enough to cause problems ala Gendry and co.
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You make it sound like we are about to immediately conquer Westeros lol.
I'm pretty sure we will easily be able to gain two levels by the time we conquer Myr, Lys, and Tyrosh, which we should be doing before attempting to take Westeros.
By then, we would have solidified our rule, and shown that we are a force to be reckoned with.
Plus, Relath has shown that Dragons can rule, as he has with Tolos, and that they are not to be fucked with.
Anyone who is foolish enough to plot against a Dragon can be made an example of, and people will learn to be more wary of a True Dragon than of the Riders of Ferals.
For us the dragon would basically be a glorified pet and,we face the opportunity cost of not getting the meat of Valena's class up sooner since the dragons probably were meant to grow with the riders as they gain experience.
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Guys we need to find a leyline that there is evidence of being active post-doom.
One day we may have to Dragon Hibernate through the wane of the Great Cycle.
Rome and feudal japan are the best examples of those, where wars happened where the person they wanted to elevate was the one who was actually fighting them in the name of the person they wanted to depose/kill
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I'm pretty sure it takes years for the Dragons to grow to a size in which they can be used in combat.
The longer we wait on hatching them, the longer we will have to wait before we can use them in battle, or as PR.
No one will be scared by a dragon whelp, and they are far easier to kill than a Dragon fully grown.
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Quite frankly I think it's worth taking one extra day out of this turn to scour the Dragonmont. It really shouldn't take longer than that to search via Wayfinder.
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Where is that?
Also, we should totally spend most of the turn crafting like crazy. Get our Lannister pet to chip in too.
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It's the volcano in Dragonstone. We could literally just teleport there and search for a day.
Wild Valyrian Dragons used to roost there and lay eggs and everything post-Doom. There has to be something for us to find.
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Preliminary level up plans for Maelor and Glyra.
Fiendish Heritage and Fiendish Legacy both fit very well with Maelor's background, and they give him access to powerful SLAs several levels before he'll ever be able to learn and cast the equivalent spells. As much as Maelor gets sent off on his own with Glyra, a once per day Teleport spell could be a lifesaver, and once per day Summon Monster V significantly enhances his combat potential and survivability. I'm not dead set on Mage Armor, but it is a basic defensive spell that he needs as an adventurer, especially one operating "behind enemy lines" so to speak. At will Dispel Magic will also be very useful for him, IMO.
[X] Maelor Level Up
-[X] Class: +1 Eldritch Theurge
-[X] Skills (4 points): +1 Use Magic Device, +3 Concentration
-[X] Feat: Fiendish Legacy
--[X] Retrained Feat: Precocious Apprentice >>> Fiendish Heritage
-[X] Invocation: Voracious Dispelling
-[X] Spells:
--[X] 1st Level: Mage Armor
--[X] 2nd Level: None (retaining Child of the Dark and Blindness/Deafness despite losing the Precocious Apprentice spell, rather than learning a new spell.)
[X] Glyra Level Up
-[X] Class: +1 Spellthief
-[X] Skills (5 points): +1 Bluff, +1 Disable Device, +1 Hide, +1 Move Silently, +1 Use Magic Device
Fiendish Heritage and Fiendish Legacy both fit very well with Maelor's background, and they give him access to powerful SLAs several levels before he'll ever be able to learn and cast the equivalent spells. As much as Maelor gets sent off on his own with Glyra, a once per day Teleport spell could be a lifesaver, and once per day Summon Monster V significantly enhances his combat potential and survivability. I'm not dead set on Mage Armor, but it is a basic defensive spell that he needs as an adventurer, especially one operating "behind enemy lines" so to speak. At will Dispel Magic will also be very useful for him, IMO.
[X] Maelor Level Up
-[X] Class: +1 Eldritch Theurge
-[X] Skills (4 points): +1 Use Magic Device, +3 Concentration
-[X] Feat: Fiendish Legacy
--[X] Retrained Feat: Precocious Apprentice >>> Fiendish Heritage
-[X] Invocation: Voracious Dispelling
-[X] Spells:
--[X] 1st Level: Mage Armor
--[X] 2nd Level: None (retaining Child of the Dark and Blindness/Deafness despite losing the Precocious Apprentice spell, rather than learning a new spell.)
[X] Glyra Level Up
-[X] Class: +1 Spellthief
-[X] Skills (5 points): +1 Bluff, +1 Disable Device, +1 Hide, +1 Move Silently, +1 Use Magic Device
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First off, "You make it sound like we are about to immediately conquer Westeros lol." Where did you get that from? I specifically said that we have lots of time to find other Valyrian dragons to give away but we can never have the prestige of having the first one.
And secondly, a city does not make a continent, appealing to the masses (by being the first dragon rider since forever) would make everything soooooo much easier.
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Goldfish
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With his current spell selection, I just don't think it is worth learning right now. At 12th level, however, we should definitely learn it.
It's hard to pass up getting him Teleport and Summon Monster V as SLAs right now, IMO.