Which is why I specified after Ellya ("One miracle as ordered.") and Tyrosh ("Well, look at that. I kinda don't need the dornish spears anymore.").

I am already very much angry at him, but currently still willing to accept his waffling around. If he keeps that up though, he better not expect anything from us anymore.

We are going to have to try and get the option of a second ressurection for her daughter. I've forgotten her exact age, but I think it was on the borderline of possibility.

If the air genie authority/power guy turns out to not appear to be a dick, maybe he'd like to go for the same trade as the MS criminal. Or maybe some other way of paying for it. Just an idea :)

I need to look up what wishes that air's can grant.
 
We have enough irons in the fire right now, however, that we can afford to let them stew in their own obstinance. Things better change in a big way once Elia is Resurrected.
Pretty much this. They get Ellya and from then on the question will always be "And what do I get in return?".

I was fed up with them before the Lampad. Originally Tyene wanted to just send her over into the Loot Sarlacc under Sunspear and I made a write-in to tell her to put a sock in it, we would deliver this personally and talk shop.

Which got us "Ellya or GTFO" from Doran and that isn't really a dramatization of how he pretty much threw us out.
 
Just one more level. We're going to put off a Dreamweaver level when she reaches 14th level so we can gain access to 7th level spells.
Ah, right, I forgot about all our overdue levelups. @Goldfish, would you mind doing me a favor and reposting the latest versions of the levelups we still need to get to officially? I'm not sure which characters have received all the benefits of their levelups. Lya, for example, has me stumped. I know she's technically leveled, and I know we asked DP to rush that levelup instead of waiting for the Arcanum, but I don't know if Lya's sheet is updated to reflect that.

Anyway, from what I remember there's Dany, Lya, Ser Richard, Garin, Maelor, Xor, and Glyra.
 
Ah, right, I forgot about all our overdue levelups. @Goldfish, would you mind doing me a favor and reposting the latest versions of the levelups we still need to get to officially? I'm not sure which characters have received all the benefits of their levelups. Lya, for example, has me stumped. I know she's technically leveled, and I know we asked DP to rush that levelup instead of waiting for the Arcanum, but I don't know if Lya's sheet is updated to reflect that.

Anyway, from what I remember there's Dany, Lya, Ser Richard, Garin, Maelor, Xor, and Glyra.
Dany had hers before we departed and Lya finally had hers too. Unless she has already enough XP for the next one.
 
Dany had hers before we departed and Lya finally had hers too. Unless she has already enough XP for the next one.
Oh, updated and everything? BAB and spells per day up-to-date? Perfect, one less thing to worry about. :)

By the way. Since we're committed to giving Valaena that spiked chain, and since I've been wanting to get Leila leveled up forever, next turn I want to set aside time in forming a baby adventurer's team and sending them off on a mission under a PC's supervision. One way or another I want that XP.

Baby & Subordinate Adventurers

I'm hopeful of Bloodraven giving us the locations of all the dungeons Beyond the Wall and South of the Wall that he knows of. We could send our baby adventurers to each of them one by one. Hell, as part of her rehabilitation we could have Alyssande lead one of these expeditions for us, as a part of her regaining her strength and such.
 
Ah, right, I forgot about all our overdue levelups. @Goldfish, would you mind doing me a favor and reposting the latest versions of the levelups we still need to get to officially? I'm not sure which characters have received all the benefits of their levelups. Lya, for example, has me stumped. I know she's technically leveled, and I know we asked DP to rush that levelup instead of waiting for the Arcanum, but I don't know if Lya's sheet is updated to reflect that.

Anyway, from what I remember there's Dany, Lya, Ser Richard, Garin, Maelor, Xor, and Glyra.

Dany, Lya, Vee, and Tyene are up-to-date.

Waymar had his level up to 11 at some point, but the character sheet is messed up, including showing a bad XP threshold to move up to level 12 (should be 66,000 XP, not 65,000). It's still showing him at level 5 Duskblade/5 Hero of the First Age, and DP didn't add his new spell in for some reason. I can't tell if his skill points were applied or not. Here's the winning level up vote for him.

[X] Waymar Level Up
-[X] Class: +1 Hero of the First Age
-[X] Skills(7 points): +2 Knowledge(Planes), +2 Craft(Alchemy), +3 Concentration
-[X] Spell: Dispelling Touch

Richard, Garin, Maelor, and Xor have not yet had their level ups, nor have we had a vote for them. Here's what I currently have for Garin and Richard.

[] Garin Level Up
-[] Class: +1 Twilight Hunter
-[] Attribute: +1 Dexterity
-[] Skills (10 points): +1 Hide, +1 Move Silently, +1 Sense Motive, +1 Spot, +6 Gather Information
-[] Feat: Staggering Strike
-[] Spells:
--[] 1st level: True Strike
--[] 2nd level: Blacklight
--[] 3rd level: Vital Strike

[] Richard Level Up
-[] Class: +1 Paragon Knight
-[] Skills (5 points):
-[] Martial Maneuver:
 
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Oh, updated and everything? BAB and spells per day up-to-date? Perfect, one less thing to worry about. :)

By the way. Since we're committed to giving Valaena that spiked chain, and since I've been wanting to get Leila leveled up forever, next turn I want to set aside time in forming a baby adventurer's team and sending them off on a mission under a PC's supervision. One way or another I want that XP.

Baby & Subordinate Adventurers

I'm hopeful of Bloodraven giving us the locations of all the dungeons Beyond the Wall and South of the Wall that he knows of. We could send our baby adventurers to each of them one by one. Hell, as part of her rehabilitation we could have Alyssande lead one of these expeditions for us, as a part of her regaining her strength and such.
My vote is still for Dany to lead them to poke around in Demons Folly.

We could use a proper fortress in the northern Stepstones in the long run.
 
Oh, updated and everything? BAB and spells per day up-to-date? Perfect, one less thing to worry about. :)

By the way. Since we're committed to giving Valaena that spiked chain, and since I've been wanting to get Leila leveled up forever, next turn I want to set aside time in forming a baby adventurer's team and sending them off on a mission under a PC's supervision. One way or another I want that XP.

Baby & Subordinate Adventurers

I'm hopeful of Bloodraven giving us the locations of all the dungeons Beyond the Wall and South of the Wall that he knows of. We could send our baby adventurers to each of them one by one. Hell, as part of her rehabilitation we could have Alyssande lead one of these expeditions for us, as a part of her regaining her strength and such.

I am very much against the chain being given ti Valaena, and did not notice the prevailing conseus agreeing to this, but even if it is, I'm seriously against it.

Edit: does a base spellcraft skill of 5 give a bonus of +1 saves vs spells?
And does that increment with each additional 5 points?

Richard has 4 atm, so onr in there for general use and the additional save point vs spells sounds good to me if the saves thing is correct
 
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I am very much against the chain being given ti Valaena, and did not notice the prevailing conseus agreeing to this, but even if it is, I'm seriously against it.

Agreed. @Duesal I will not support her getting the chain if she's also getting a Valyrian Steel sword. I would rather sell it or save it for someone else.
 
I am very much against the chain being given ti Valaena, and did not notice the prevailing conseus agreeing to this, but even if it is, I'm seriously against it.
Agreed. @Duesal I will not support her getting the chain if she's also getting a Valyrian Steel sword. I would rather sell it or save it for someone else.
Oh thank god. I was afraid I had no support in being against that idea, that's why I wrote it off as a foregone conclusion.

I also hate the idea of Valaena being anywhere near that chain. I'd only support it if we can sacrifice to the Old Gods to get them to actively block any and all Hellish influence, like they did with the Assassin Devil's amulet. But as is? Hell no. I'm suspicious that it even wanted Valaena since one of the conflict triggers is if the wielder isn't Lawful Evil, and I'm pretty fucking sure Valaena isn't Lawful Evil. Also that ??? effect has me very nervous.
 
Oh thank god. I was afraid I had no support in being against that idea, that's why I wrote it off as a foregone conclusion.

I also hate the idea of Valaena being anywhere near that chain. I'd only support it if we can sacrifice to the Old Gods to get them to actively block any and all Hellish influence, like they did with the Assassin Devil's amulet. But as is? Hell no. I'm suspicious that it even wanted Valaena since one of the conflict triggers is if the wielder isn't Lawful Evil, and I'm pretty fucking sure Valaena isn't Lawful Evil. Also that ??? effect has me very nervous.

I was worried about the sutble effect of hellforged armour on richard after the demon blade nearly curroped glyra.
A thinking weapon is so so much more of a risk.

There is no reason to take such a risk when we can just give her a long sword for now. If only we knew how to reforge it into a thinblade or even just a rapier. :(.

Or even a mithirl or adamantium thinblade if a longsword is that bad a fit.
 
Oh thank god. I was afraid I had no support in being against that idea, that's why I wrote it off as a foregone conclusion.

I also hate the idea of Valaena being anywhere near that chain. I'd only support it if we can sacrifice to the Old Gods to get them to actively block any and all Hellish influence, like they did with the Assassin Devil's amulet. But as is? Hell no. I'm suspicious that it even wanted Valaena since one of the conflict triggers is if the wielder isn't Lawful Evil, and I'm pretty fucking sure Valaena isn't Lawful Evil. Also that ??? effect has me very nervous.
She is becoming Lawful Evil or didn't you notice how she follows Malarys like a lost puppy?
Otherwise, I'm just tremendously annoyed at another piece of loot being made of purest, stainless Cursetanium.

Agreed. @Duesal I will not support her getting the chain if she's also getting a Valyrian Steel sword. I would rather sell it or save it for someone else.
I want to give it to her instead of a VS sword.
 
I was worried about the sutble effect of hellforged armour on richard after the demon blade nearly curroped glyra.
A thinking weapon is so so much more of a risk.

There is no reason to take such a risk when we can just give her a long sword for now. If only we knew how to reforge it into a thinblade or even just a rapier. :(.

Or even a mithirl or adamantium thinblade if a longsword is that bad a fit.
Ser Richard was never a risk because he had Mindblank. Valaena most certainly does not have Mindblank.

Now that I know I have support against the idea of giving that chain to Valaena I've got a lot more hope.
 
@all

Here's a good question to keep in mind/ask: can we use the artifact scrafice to scrafice the chain?

To me, it's value is in re-sale or scrafice fodder
 
Can we get rid of the Armor of Holiness too while we are at it?

I still would vastly prefer to get some proper DR on Richard.
 
She is becoming Lawful Evil or didn't you notice how she follows Malarys like a lost puppy?
Otherwise, I'm just tremendously annoyed at another piece of loot being made of purest, stainless Cursetanium.
@Azel, she's following Malarys around because he happens to be a dragonlord and a bachelor all in one package. She was raised from birth to pursue an opportunity like this. Chasing marriage doesn't make her Lawful Evil. In fact, I'm pretty sure Malarys is being careful to hide exactly how Lawful Evil he is because he knows he'd either shock or scare Valaena away, hence why he didn't mention a horrendous amount of blood sacrifice to awaken her magic as one of her options.
Can we get rid of the Armor of Holiness too while we are at it?

I still would vastly prefer to get some proper DR on Richard.
This. I also want to sell that armor. Maybe we can make Ser Richard a new set of armor out of the Aspect's hide. Mindblank and help from the Old Gods should keep Tiamat at bay. And there's more than enough hide to split between Dany and Ser Richard.
 
The chain weapon IDEA isn't a bad one. She could use a "mounted weapon", and a chain would be pretty cool. Or a lance. The chain adds more flexibility and you could pull off some neat tricks with it if she had acrobatics. Maybe an item that boosts her dexterity and lets her pull off jedi shit.

But yes, no devil chain. Dangerous.
 
If it's any consolation, I'm probably going to advocate for us to relearn Still Spell as Viserys' 15th level feat. We need a +1 Metamagic feat to make full use of Arcane Spellgrace, and Still Spell is as good an option as any.
How about Transdimensional Spell? We still have no Force spells with offensive purpose.
I want to give it to her instead of a VS sword.
I second this.
No valuable Longsword on the DEX fighter, the Chain is a much better fit for her.

Besides, she'll have PfE before we give her the Chain.
 
I'm just tremendously annoyed at another piece of loot being made of purest, stainless Cursetanium.

I think that's just a consequence of it being fiend loot, but we did just get a staff of spying.

We should totally let out friends play around with it and look througg raven's eyes.

I imagine Waymar'd get a kick out of it. :D
 
The chain weapon IDEA isn't a bad one. She could use a "mounted weapon", and a chain would be pretty cool. Or a lance. The chain adds more flexibility and you could pull off some neat tricks with it if she had acrobatics. Maybe an item that boosts her dexterity and lets her pull off jedi shit.

But yes, no devil chain. Dangerous.

I don't think the Devil chain is dangerous, and @DragonParadox can't keep pulling that crap without it getting real old, real quick. One or two cursed weapons cropping up is understandable, but every weapon wielded by an Evil Outsider or Bad Guy being cursed or having some other drawback doesn't make sense and skews the loot tables horrendously out of whack.

Basically, it's a plot device that he has already worn too thin to continue using regularly.
 
I think that's just a consequence of it being fiend loot, but we did just get a staff of spying.

We should totally let out friends play around with it and look througg raven's eyes.

I imagine Waymar'd get a kick out of it. :D
Which kinda makes it useless in its function as, you know, loot.

I really like the idea of Valaena with a spiked chain and this one is pretty good.

And I see it like this: If the thing is cursed, we can't sell it either. That would be just a repeat of the damn eye.
Either we assume it's safe or melt it down. Nothing in between.
 
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