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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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No time is the "right time" for speechifying.

Just like a Dragon Man has to make the speech, so too does he have to make the time.
 
@Crake Can you at least include a combat plan for when Not Yogi decides we talk too much and would likely be much quieter in his belly?
 
I will include your combat plan if/when diplomacy falls through, yes. Give me a moment. I'm imagining your mea culpa as we speak.
 
[X] Plan Dragon Lecture Mode: Engaged - Now With Extra Supa Hot Fire
-[X] Viserys look upon the Bear spirit as if the depths of their folly could only be described with comparison to certain sea-faring bastards. "I ask you this, Spirit. You claim that one who will not survive the Winter must be suborned for transient, inefficient gathering of strength, whatever boon granted by the strife you weave lost before the unceasing, uncaring and inexorable march of Winter. But what paltry gains you make do not compare to the fear, the madness and sorrow you create, further dividing man against itself. "
-[X] "All that you kill and consume might yet have had something, known something, or grown into someone that could have helped him, or those around him, in this coming war of ours. Your scope is too narrow."
-[X] "You weaken your own argument when going on and on about 'culling the weak'. What is truly weak? How can you define it? By what strength of arm you can bring to hand? The FIrst Men deny your vision, for it was cleverness and ingenuity that served him best, not the arm that bore the sword. The sword could not come into being without the mind first and foremost. And the old and wise do not tend to have strong arms, but that one might live that long in this inhospitable land, their minds might be well honed."
-[X] "And a child, too young to fight? What of them? They have no strength yet, as they have not grown to fruition, but will they not grow into warriors if time permits them? And what of the North being too dangerous for them to stay? Send them south, let them be raised and trained there to fight against the winter that walks. Aye, I am sure that Elle finds the very notion distasteful, but Winter cares not for the notions of man or beast. It is implacable. It is anathema. Disunited as we are, what, in the face of that, matters whether a warrior was raised south or north of the wall? We need all their arms to bear swords against the coming Night."
-[X] "You do not squander resources! You search far and wide for them, you find where they are most useful and then put them to use there in this or that way!"
-[X] "Everything and everyone has a use."
-[X] If the Bear-man decides to attack;
--[X] Viserys casts Assay Spell Resistance, then targets it with Necrotic Bomb, being careful to avoid catching Richard in the blast. If Richard has already closed to melee with it, use Searing Agonizing Elemental Fire Darts rather than Necrotic Bomb. If the Bear-man still lives, Viserys then casts Celerity and targets it with Searing Agonizing Elemental Fire Darts. Viserys will use his Moment of Greatness buff to double the +2 Morale bonus to Ranged Attacks when he first launches a volley of Fire Darts at the Bear-man.
--[X] Dany targets the Bear-man with a Reached Harm spell. She will use her Moment of Greatness buff to double the +2 Morale bonus to Ranged Attacks if she uses Reached Harm against the Bear-man.
--[X] Richard attacks using Pounce and Shock Trooper, Power Attacking as he sees fit.
--[X] Elle will fire arrows at the Bear-man and Harwood will attempt to protect her should it target her.
Adhoc vote count started by Crake on Jan 15, 2018 at 7:14 AM, finished with 139494 posts and 13 votes.
  • [X] Plan Dragon Lecture Mode: Engaged - Now With Extra Supa Hot Fire
    -[X] Viserys look upon the Bear spirit as if the depths of their folly could only be described with comparison to certain sea-faring bastards. "I ask you this, Spirit. You claim that one who will not survive the Winter must be suborned for transient, inefficient gathering of strength, whatever boon granted by the strife you weave lost before the unceasing, uncaring and inexorable march of Winter. But what paltry gains you make do not compare to the fear, the madness and sorrow you create, further dividing man against itself. "
    -[X] "All that you kill and consume might yet have had something, known something, or grown into someone that could have helped him, or those around him, in this coming war of ours. Your scope is too narrow."
    -[X] "You weaken your own argument when going on and on about 'culling the weak'. What is truly weak? How can you define it? By what strength of arm you can bring to hand? The FIrst Men deny your vision, for it was cleverness and ingenuity that served him best, not the arm that bore the sword. The sword could not come into being without the mind first and foremost. And the old and wise do not tend to have strong arms, but that one might live that long in this inhospitable land, their minds might be well honed."
    -[X] "And a child, too young to fight? What of them? They have no strength yet, as they have not grown to fruition, but will they not grow into warriors if time permits them? And what of the North being too dangerous for them to stay? Send them south, let them be raised and trained there to fight against the winter that walks. Aye, I am sure that Elle finds the very notion distasteful, but Winter cares not for the notions of man or beast. It is implacable. It is anathema. Disunited as we are, what, in the face of that, matters whether a warrior was raised south or north of the wall? We need all their arms to bear swords against the coming Night."
    -[X] "You do not squander resources! You search far and wide for them, you find where they are most useful and then put them to use there in this or that way!"
    -[X] "Everything and everyone has a use."
    -[X] If the Bear-man decides to attack;
    --[X] Viserys casts Assay Spell Resistance, then targets it with Necrotic Bomb, being careful to avoid catching Richard in the blast. If Richard has already closed to melee with it, use Searing Agonizing Elemental Fire Darts rather than Necrotic Bomb. If the Bear-man still lives, Viserys then casts Celerity and targets it with Searing Agonizing Elemental Fire Darts. Viserys will use his Moment of Greatness buff to double the +2 Morale bonus to Ranged Attacks when he first launches a volley of Fire Darts at the Bear-man.
    --[X] Dany targets the Bear-man with a Reached Harm spell. She will use her Moment of Greatness buff to double the +2 Morale bonus to Ranged Attacks if she uses Reached Harm against the Bear-man.
    --[X] Richard attacks using Pounce and Shock Trooper, Power Attacking as he sees fit.
    --[X] Elle will fire arrows at the Bear-man and Harwood will attempt to protect her should it target her.
    [X] "For the sorrow of men to come who you feel need not fit under my aegis? Constantly wondering where the shadow of my wings does begin and end? I offer this: Come with me upon the nearest Heart Tree to offer the horror to the Old Gods of Stream and Forest and Stone. Whatever oath you make will be heeded then, for they will be in witness to it. I have no need for hollow platitudes when ye are faced with certain annihilation, honored only in the breach when the arbiter of this matter finally flies off. As whatever else you are, man or monster, spirit or beast, I do not trust you, but I trust them."
    [X] Counter-offer
    -[X] "We shall seek out the nearest Heart Tree dedicated to the Old Gods of Stream, Forest, and Stone. The Winterborn's death will be used to seal a binding oath which you will swear, preventing you from ever again preying upon mankind, except in those instances where they attack you or others under your protection without provocation. You will also swear to rescind your gift of power from any who break this edict. Agree to these terms or know that you need not fear imprisonment ever again, as we will destroy you here and now."
    -[X] If the Bear-man does not accept;
    --[X] Viserys casts Assay Spell Resistance, then targets it with Necrotic Bomb, being careful to avoid catching Richard in the blast. If Richard has already closed to melee with it, use Searing Agonizing Elemental Fire Darts rather than Necrotic Bomb. If the Bear-man still lives, Viserys then casts Celerity and targets it with Searing Agonizing Elemental Fire Darts. Viserys will use his Moment of Greatness buff to double the +2 Morale bonus to Ranged Attacks when he first launches a volley of Fire Darts at the Bear-man.
    --[X] Dany targets the Bear-man with a Reached Harm spell. She will use her Moment of Greatness buff to double the +2 Morale bonus to Ranged Attacks if she uses Reached Harm against the Bear-man.
    --[X] Richard attacks using Pounce and Shock Trooper, Power Attacking as he sees fit.
    --[X] Elle will fire arrows at the Bear-man and Harwood will attempt to protect her should it target her.
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@Crake

The one cogent point he makes is that the people he eats don't become undead.

I think burning the corpse works too. :p

[X] Crake

Edit: suggesting sending warriors/wildlings south of the wall might provoke the ranger, well not provoke, but we really, really can't offer such a thing. Not yet.
 
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@BeepSmile Visersy is preaching unity blatantly, and using children as an example of what should be protected.

Any anger that Elle or Harwood felt at the notion of wildlings being sent south of the wall, an offer we can't really make in the first place but posit as an example of what could be achieved, all in order to "protect the children", would dim in the face of the stark and honest truth: It's actually kind of a good idea.
Adhoc vote count started by Crake on Jan 15, 2018 at 7:43 AM, finished with 139499 posts and 15 votes.
  • [X] Plan Dragon Lecture Mode: Engaged - Now With Extra Supa Hot Fire
    -[X] Viserys look upon the Bear spirit as if the depths of their folly could only be described with comparison to certain sea-faring bastards. "I ask you this, Spirit. You claim that one who will not survive the Winter must be suborned for transient, inefficient gathering of strength, whatever boon granted by the strife you weave lost before the unceasing, uncaring and inexorable march of Winter. But what paltry gains you make do not compare to the fear, the madness and sorrow you create, further dividing man against itself. "
    -[X] "All that you kill and consume might yet have had something, known something, or grown into someone that could have helped him, or those around him, in this coming war of ours. Your scope is too narrow."
    -[X] "You weaken your own argument when going on and on about 'culling the weak'. What is truly weak? How can you define it? By what strength of arm you can bring to hand? The FIrst Men deny your vision, for it was cleverness and ingenuity that served him best, not the arm that bore the sword. The sword could not come into being without the mind first and foremost. And the old and wise do not tend to have strong arms, but that one might live that long in this inhospitable land, their minds might be well honed."
    -[X] "And a child, too young to fight? What of them? They have no strength yet, as they have not grown to fruition, but will they not grow into warriors if time permits them? And what of the North being too dangerous for them to stay? Send them south, let them be raised and trained there to fight against the winter that walks. Aye, I am sure that Elle finds the very notion distasteful, but Winter cares not for the notions of man or beast. It is implacable. It is anathema. Disunited as we are, what, in the face of that, matters whether a warrior was raised south or north of the wall? We need all their arms to bear swords against the coming Night."
    -[X] "You do not squander resources! You search far and wide for them, you find where they are most useful and then put them to use there in this or that way!"
    -[X] "Everything and everyone has a use."
    -[X] If the Bear-man decides to attack;
    --[X] Viserys casts Assay Spell Resistance, then targets it with Necrotic Bomb, being careful to avoid catching Richard in the blast. If Richard has already closed to melee with it, use Searing Agonizing Elemental Fire Darts rather than Necrotic Bomb. If the Bear-man still lives, Viserys then casts Celerity and targets it with Searing Agonizing Elemental Fire Darts. Viserys will use his Moment of Greatness buff to double the +2 Morale bonus to Ranged Attacks when he first launches a volley of Fire Darts at the Bear-man.
    --[X] Dany targets the Bear-man with a Reached Harm spell. She will use her Moment of Greatness buff to double the +2 Morale bonus to Ranged Attacks if she uses Reached Harm against the Bear-man.
    --[X] Richard attacks using Pounce and Shock Trooper, Power Attacking as he sees fit.
    --[X] Elle will fire arrows at the Bear-man and Harwood will attempt to protect her should it target her.
    [X] "For the sorrow of men to come who you feel need not fit under my aegis? Constantly wondering where the shadow of my wings does begin and end? I offer this: Come with me upon the nearest Heart Tree to offer the horror to the Old Gods of Stream and Forest and Stone. Whatever oath you make will be heeded then, for they will be in witness to it. I have no need for hollow platitudes when ye are faced with certain annihilation, honored only in the breach when the arbiter of this matter finally flies off. As whatever else you are, man or monster, spirit or beast, I do not trust you, but I trust them."
    [X] Counter-offer
    -[X] "We shall seek out the nearest Heart Tree dedicated to the Old Gods of Stream, Forest, and Stone. The Winterborn's death will be used to seal a binding oath which you will swear, preventing you from ever again preying upon mankind, except in those instances where they attack you or others under your protection without provocation. You will also swear to rescind your gift of power from any who break this edict. Agree to these terms or know that you need not fear imprisonment ever again, as we will destroy you here and now."
    -[X] If the Bear-man does not accept;
    --[X] Viserys casts Assay Spell Resistance, then targets it with Necrotic Bomb, being careful to avoid catching Richard in the blast. If Richard has already closed to melee with it, use Searing Agonizing Elemental Fire Darts rather than Necrotic Bomb. If the Bear-man still lives, Viserys then casts Celerity and targets it with Searing Agonizing Elemental Fire Darts. Viserys will use his Moment of Greatness buff to double the +2 Morale bonus to Ranged Attacks when he first launches a volley of Fire Darts at the Bear-man.
    --[X] Dany targets the Bear-man with a Reached Harm spell. She will use her Moment of Greatness buff to double the +2 Morale bonus to Ranged Attacks if she uses Reached Harm against the Bear-man.
    --[X] Richard attacks using Pounce and Shock Trooper, Power Attacking as he sees fit.
    --[X] Elle will fire arrows at the Bear-man and Harwood will attempt to protect her should it target her.
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Crake said:
@BeepSmile Visersy is preaching unity blatantly, and using children as an example of what should be protected.

Any anger that Elle or Harwood felt at the notion of wildlings being sent south of the wall, an offer we can't really make in the first place but posit as an example of what could be achieved, all in order to "protect the children", would dim in the face of the stark and honest truth: It's actually kind of a good idea.
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Technically we can take them very far south of the wall.

Sorcerers Deep is open to anyone who comes as a friend and that includes Free Folk.
 
I don't feel much empathy for this bear, so I can't say that I enjoy the idea of diplomancing it too much. Just shanking all the bitches left and going on our way to uncle seems best course of action, but whatever, bandwagoning it is.
[X] Crake
 
egoo said:
I don't feel much empathy for this bear, so I can't say that I enjoy the idea of diplomancing it too much. Just shanking all the bitches left and going on our way to uncle seems best course of action, but whatever, bandwagoning it is.
[X] Crake
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Think of it this way: we be nice to the bear, Bloodraven, level 17 as of 3 years ago will be more "yay! Forces against the long night"
 
I like this plan so I'll copy it.
[X] Plan Dragon Lecture Mode: Engaged - Now With Extra Supa Hot Fire
-[X] Viserys look upon the Bear spirit as if the depths of their folly could only be described with comparison to certain sea-faring bastards. "I ask you this, Spirit. You claim that one who will not survive the Winter must be suborned for transient, inefficient gathering of strength, whatever boon granted by the strife you weave lost before the unceasing, uncaring and inexorable march of Winter. But what paltry gains you make do not compare to the fear, the madness and sorrow you create, further dividing man against itself. "
-[X] "All that you kill and consume might yet have had something, known something, or grown into someone that could have helped him, or those around him, in this coming war of ours. Your scope is too narrow."
-[X] "You weaken your own argument when going on and on about 'culling the weak'. What is truly weak? How can you define it? By what strength of arm you can bring to hand? The FIrst Men deny your vision, for it was cleverness and ingenuity that served him best, not the arm that bore the sword. The sword could not come into being without the mind first and foremost. And the old and wise do not tend to have strong arms, but that one might live that long in this inhospitable land, their minds might be well honed."
-[X] "And a child, too young to fight? What of them? They have no strength yet, as they have not grown to fruition, but will they not grow into warriors if time permits them? And what of the North being too dangerous for them to stay? Send them south, let them be raised and trained there to fight against the winter that walks. Aye, I am sure that Elle finds the very notion distasteful, but Winter cares not for the notions of man or beast. It is implacable. It is anathema. Disunited as we are, what, in the face of that, matters whether a warrior was raised south or north of the wall? We need all their arms to bear swords against the coming Night."
-[X] "You do not squander resources! You search far and wide for them, you find where they are most useful and then put them to use there in this or that way!"
-[X] "Everything and everyone has a use."
-[X] If the Bear-man decides to attack;
--[X] Viserys casts Assay Spell Resistance, then targets it with Necrotic Bomb, being careful to avoid catching Richard in the blast. If Richard has already closed to melee with it, use Searing Agonizing Elemental Fire Darts rather than Necrotic Bomb. If the Bear-man still lives, Viserys then casts Celerity and targets it with Searing Agonizing Elemental Fire Darts. Viserys will use his Moment of Greatness buff to double the +2 Morale bonus to Ranged Attacks when he first launches a volley of Fire Darts at the Bear-man.
--[X] Dany targets the Bear-man with a Reached Harm spell. She will use her Moment of Greatness buff to double the +2 Morale bonus to Ranged Attacks if she uses Reached Harm against the Bear-man.
--[X] Richard attacks using Pounce and Shock Trooper, Power Attacking as he sees fit.
--[X] Elle will fire arrows at the Bear-man and Harwood will attempt to protect her should it target her.
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@Crake

Or why don't we offer it food? Show that mankind does not consider a non-fighter weak since they work to supply food. Offer the bear the option to ally with the Night's Watch and it will never get hungry again.
 
Takesis said:
@Crake

Or why don't we offer it food? Show that mankind does not consider a non-fighter weak since they work to supply food. Offer the bear the option to ally with the Night's Watch and it will never get hungry again.
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It can get food. People are food. It wants to make people 'strong', and stop the dead from rising, which it can conviently do by eating them, so I think a simple food bribery might go amiss.
 
It has no problem with providing for itself. Deer and elk or what-the-shit is easier to hunt than humans, believe it or not. Because while you can carefully predate on beasts without over-hunting an area and only take what you require, kill a few men and make it clear there is nothing they can do to stop it, and they will get the fuck out of dodge.

This isn't a matter of whether or not we need to cheaply bribe it. It is killing people because of some misguided self appointed mission to eliminate the weak for the betterment of the strong, with the strong being assigned in arbitrary fashion that does not cleave to any notion of reality.
 
Vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by Crake on Jan 15, 2018 at 7:43 AM, finished with 139499 posts and 15 votes.
  • [X] Plan Dragon Lecture Mode: Engaged - Now With Extra Supa Hot Fire
    -[X] Viserys look upon the Bear spirit as if the depths of their folly could only be described with comparison to certain sea-faring bastards. "I ask you this, Spirit. You claim that one who will not survive the Winter must be suborned for transient, inefficient gathering of strength, whatever boon granted by the strife you weave lost before the unceasing, uncaring and inexorable march of Winter. But what paltry gains you make do not compare to the fear, the madness and sorrow you create, further dividing man against itself. "
    -[X] "All that you kill and consume might yet have had something, known something, or grown into someone that could have helped him, or those around him, in this coming war of ours. Your scope is too narrow."
    -[X] "You weaken your own argument when going on and on about 'culling the weak'. What is truly weak? How can you define it? By what strength of arm you can bring to hand? The FIrst Men deny your vision, for it was cleverness and ingenuity that served him best, not the arm that bore the sword. The sword could not come into being without the mind first and foremost. And the old and wise do not tend to have strong arms, but that one might live that long in this inhospitable land, their minds might be well honed."
    -[X] "And a child, too young to fight? What of them? They have no strength yet, as they have not grown to fruition, but will they not grow into warriors if time permits them? And what of the North being too dangerous for them to stay? Send them south, let them be raised and trained there to fight against the winter that walks. Aye, I am sure that Elle finds the very notion distasteful, but Winter cares not for the notions of man or beast. It is implacable. It is anathema. Disunited as we are, what, in the face of that, matters whether a warrior was raised south or north of the wall? We need all their arms to bear swords against the coming Night."
    -[X] "You do not squander resources! You search far and wide for them, you find where they are most useful and then put them to use there in this or that way!"
    -[X] "Everything and everyone has a use."
    -[X] If the Bear-man decides to attack;
    --[X] Viserys casts Assay Spell Resistance, then targets it with Necrotic Bomb, being careful to avoid catching Richard in the blast. If Richard has already closed to melee with it, use Searing Agonizing Elemental Fire Darts rather than Necrotic Bomb. If the Bear-man still lives, Viserys then casts Celerity and targets it with Searing Agonizing Elemental Fire Darts. Viserys will use his Moment of Greatness buff to double the +2 Morale bonus to Ranged Attacks when he first launches a volley of Fire Darts at the Bear-man.
    --[X] Dany targets the Bear-man with a Reached Harm spell. She will use her Moment of Greatness buff to double the +2 Morale bonus to Ranged Attacks if she uses Reached Harm against the Bear-man.
    --[X] Richard attacks using Pounce and Shock Trooper, Power Attacking as he sees fit.
    --[X] Elle will fire arrows at the Bear-man and Harwood will attempt to protect her should it target her.
    [X] "For the sorrow of men to come who you feel need not fit under my aegis? Constantly wondering where the shadow of my wings does begin and end? I offer this: Come with me upon the nearest Heart Tree to offer the horror to the Old Gods of Stream and Forest and Stone. Whatever oath you make will be heeded then, for they will be in witness to it. I have no need for hollow platitudes when ye are faced with certain annihilation, honored only in the breach when the arbiter of this matter finally flies off. As whatever else you are, man or monster, spirit or beast, I do not trust you, but I trust them."
    [X] Counter-offer
    -[X] "We shall seek out the nearest Heart Tree dedicated to the Old Gods of Stream, Forest, and Stone. The Winterborn's death will be used to seal a binding oath which you will swear, preventing you from ever again preying upon mankind, except in those instances where they attack you or others under your protection without provocation. You will also swear to rescind your gift of power from any who break this edict. Agree to these terms or know that you need not fear imprisonment ever again, as we will destroy you here and now."
    -[X] If the Bear-man does not accept;
    --[X] Viserys casts Assay Spell Resistance, then targets it with Necrotic Bomb, being careful to avoid catching Richard in the blast. If Richard has already closed to melee with it, use Searing Agonizing Elemental Fire Darts rather than Necrotic Bomb. If the Bear-man still lives, Viserys then casts Celerity and targets it with Searing Agonizing Elemental Fire Darts. Viserys will use his Moment of Greatness buff to double the +2 Morale bonus to Ranged Attacks when he first launches a volley of Fire Darts at the Bear-man.
    --[X] Dany targets the Bear-man with a Reached Harm spell. She will use her Moment of Greatness buff to double the +2 Morale bonus to Ranged Attacks if she uses Reached Harm against the Bear-man.
    --[X] Richard attacks using Pounce and Shock Trooper, Power Attacking as he sees fit.
    --[X] Elle will fire arrows at the Bear-man and Harwood will attempt to protect her should it target her.
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I'm strongly against offering the guy anything more then keeping his pelt. He isn't that strong or important in the grand scheme of things. He seemed pretty helpless against a flock of monsters that we turned into overcooked meat with a single spell.
 
Duesal said:
Bronn fought a level 11 Ser Richard to a standstill while wielding no magical gear, and still would have killed Ser Richard if it weren't for that Valyrian Steel Armor
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That's bullshit @Duesal . He wasn't murdered in one round because there was no room to charge, and Ser Richard knows we like prisoners and found it more expedient to simply disarm him than batter him down, as he, unlike most of everything we fight, can be disarmed.

Surviving one or two rounds is not "fighting Ser Richard to a standstill". It is "not being murdered in the first three seconds because Ser Richard felt like it."
Raichu1972 said:
or he happens to be some kind of super prodigy that just gets XP from existing (is that even possible?)
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Anyone that is not us or ours, more or less.
Wheel of time said:
Barbarians are the embodiment of primal fury
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This is dead wrong, @Wheel of time . This ain't 5E.

Barbarian is at most a fighting style which focuses on raw power and learned skill than studied moves. "Rage" might be "gets real angry and stronk", but it can easily be "adrenaline gets really pumping, granting strenght but also tunnel vision."
Azel said:
Take note that he isn't swearing off his culling completely, just leaving a few people out of it.

I doubt that a bear spirit will see reason.
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Why are you so agains it? It's conversely a waste to kill it.

It's not some insane Aberration. It is logical.
Goldfish said:
You will also swear to rescind your gift of power from any who break this edict.
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And then we can't have recruits. Think it through.
Azel said:
I'm strongly against offering the guy anything more then keeping his pelt. He isn't that strong or important in the grand scheme of things. He seemed pretty helpless against a flock of monsters that we turned into overcooked meat with a single spell.
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Except he is a 8000+ year old spirit that the others have been irate enough with to torture every day, and he has survived every day of it.

I don't know what came over you guys. This is a great ally to have, he:
1) Can make werebears
2) Can give accurate information about the Long Night
3) Is an immortal enemy of the Others

We aren't talking with a bear dude here, remember that.
 
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That you dislike his argument doesn't mean he doesn't have a point. From his pov, he is helping. The people will be stronger and the enemy will be weaker at the same time, and he also fills his belly. Win-win-win.

We might also be assuming way too much in how it chooses and be completely mistaken.

More importantly, it has proven to be rational, if misguided, and both powerful and possessed with a deep enmity towards the Others. And it has a supremely useful power of making people werebears.

Diplomancing it is well, well worth it.
Azel said:
I would have taken Bob the Huecuva
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TotallyNotEvil said:
That you dislike his argument doesn't mean he doesn't have a point. From his pov, he is helping. The people will be stronger and the enemy will be weaker at the same time, and he also fills his belly. Win-win-win.

We might also be assuming way too much in how it chooses and be completely mistaken.

More importantly, it has proven to be rational, if misguided, and both powerful and possessed with a deep enmity towards the Others. And it has a supremely useful power of making people werebears.

Diplomancing it is well, well worth it.
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I have the feeling it's mostly the highlighted part you truly care about. :p

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Why you open the wounds in my heart so...
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Devil. :V
 
Azel said:
@TotallyNotEvil, I detest his pointless, aimless and plain stupid Social-Darwinism.

I would have taken Bob the Huecuva in a heartbeat, but this guy offends me on a very deep level.
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Well, if he dosen't unconditionally agree to not be a dick from now on, incuding some from of rational control on that werebear curse transmission, then we kill him. Or better yet, sacrafice him to the OG.

This dude is all about individual utility value; I'm sure he'd be fine with it.

And I was about to say that it doesn't matter if he's fine with it, but it really does. A willing scrafice gives more OG bonus points!

Edit: I also want werebear minotaurs, werebear little Valerians, werebear tritons*, and to a much lesser extent as it is much less fun; werebear humans.

*tritons will never count as ours, due to their political system being incompatible with SD culture in a "citizen" sense, and an unwillingness to spend the time to force it to change.
 
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