*tritons will never count as ours, due to their political system being incompatible with SD culture in a "citizen" sense, and an unwillingness to spend the time to force it to change.
The superior civilization will win in the end. And you ain't getting any more superior then a Enlightened Philosopher Dragon Emperor. ;)
 
Well, last night as I was falling asleep, I was checking some things and I rediscovered the fact that House Royce lost its Valyrian Sword, Lamentation, defending the dragonpit during the dance of the dragons. I know we're planning on giving out an axe to Asha, and a longsword to Valaena, but is the other longsword still free? It might diplomatically valuable to give it to House Royce as part of our negotiations when we visit runestone.
 
The superior civilization will win in the end. And you ain't getting any more superior then a Enlightened Philosopher Dragon Emperor. ;)

Speaking about that, when are we going to write our equivalent of marcus aurelius' Meditations? Woth all our skillpoints it better be a masterpiece of enlightned despotism!

I'm thinking either after the three daugthers or Westeros, so we have a bit more accumen under our belt.
 
As if we don't intend to capture a fuckton of fiends, and forge a new sword for him quenched in devil-blood named "Rejoice".
 
Well, last night as I was falling asleep, I was checking some things and I rediscovered the fact that House Royce lost its Valyrian Sword, Lamentation, defending the dragonpit during the dance of the dragons. I know we're planning on giving out an axe to Asha, and a longsword to Valaena, but is the other longsword still free? It might diplomatically valuable to give it to House Royce as part of our negotiations when we visit runestone.
They have Purity and any other Family-swords should be enchanted bronze too.
 
Well, if he dosen't unconditionally agree to not be a dick from now on, incuding some from of rational control on that werebear curse transmission, then we kill him. Or better yet, sacrafice him to the OG.
The Brits didn't like the Soviets, yet they teamed up to defeat the Nazis.

You are forgetting this here is a spirit over eight thousand years old.

If this were WH:F, it'd be like Teclis assassinating a Slann. Ultimately, the ones which profit most are the Others/Chaos.
 
Part MDCXX: A King's Counsel
A King's Counsel

Sixteenth Day of the Twelfth Month 292 AC

The more you think on the way the bear-man and his followers see the world, the less sense it makes, and the angrier you get. Perhaps there is some arcane reasoning fitting to a man given the wits of man but not his nature, but men are not beasts in the wilds to be hunted nor cattle to be culled at the pleasure of whoever appoints himself their keeper. Chaos and madness set loose upon the earth before the foe could even show himself. For all this your voice is somehow calm when you answer, harsh and unyielding as iron.

"You claim that one who will not survive the Winter must be suborned for the fleeting gathering of strength,yet I see only madness in your design. Whatever boon granted by the strife you weave lost before the uncaring march of Winter. But what paltry gains you make do not compare to the fear, the madness and sorrow you create, further dividing man against itself. "

"Cripples, greybeards dead at first frost, whelps of the Long Summer, born a poisoned gift," the great bear scoffs, the merest shadow of something that might have been regret in his voice.

"What do you mean?" Elle asks sharply before you can speak. Rage still simmers in her, but there is an urgency to her voice.

"Even they are not beyond the balance of things, and so they weave it in their curses. Long will be the golden time, fruitful the children of earth... yet never long enough. When the great dark comes the forests will be filled with whelps half-grown, not ready yet to carry spear or bow. Oh, but they'll try, and then the dark will laugh." The words do not ring of prophesy's fickle truths, still less of guesswork, more of bitter experience.

Long have you suspected the nature of the ones Bloodraven would not name... but to know they, it comes so soon still sends a shiver down your spine. Not now, not yet. You push the thought away and address the being that stands before you.

"What is weakness?" you ask starkly. "Is it lacking strength of arm to hold a spear and draw a bow? If so, what of them who in the dawn-time first thought to make these weapons that man, not gifted with fang and claw or hoof and horn, might guard against the perils of the wild and the night?"

"Your questions are like the eggs of the serpent, wizard, and from them answers you might birth and that slither to your tune," the bear answers, sounding at once annoyed and amused. "Yet still there will be those who are worth less than their keep..."

"Send them south," you offer, though you know spear-wife and black brother both would hate the notion fiercely. "Send south summer's children that they might yet grow in spite of the winter that walks. Better to go along a different path than to stay cold in the ground, or just a cold to walk a thing of horror, a puppet to dark masters."

The bear's great shaggy head tilts to the side as though he does not know quite what to make of you. "Not all would come, not all can come." Whatever else this ancient thing may be it is not used to being uncertain of his path.

"Then burn those that fall and scatter the ashes," Dany says coldly. "You will not starve for it, not unless doom is already upon you and your foe is merely playing with you as a cat does with a dying mouse."

"A pledge then, mortals!" the bear finally roars. "Before the Silent Gods swear that you will take Free Folk of these lands South and open the gates of the Wall to them when the hour comes and I will hunt them no more."

From the corner of your eye you see Harwood pale and open his mouth to speak. For thousands of years the Watch has struggled to keep the Wildlings from the south. It is one thing to swear such a thing here in the presence of a spirit made flesh a harbinger of night broken at your feet, and quite another to persuade the Night's Watch entire.

Yet looking at the way the great bear swigs from foot to foot impatiently, scraping his great pick along the ground, you suspect any attempt to shift the terms will be seen as untrustworthy and false.

What do you say?

[] Swear the oath

[] Do not swear the oath
-[] Write in battle plan

[] Write in counter offer


OOC: You just barely managed to get enough successes with Dany's help, but you would have to roll very well indeed to shift the bear further.
 
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Speaking about that, when are we going to write our equivalent of marcus aurelius' Meditations? Woth all our skillpoints it better be a masterpiece of enlightned despotism!

I'm thinking either after the three daugthers or Westeros, so we have a bit more accumen under our belt.

It's when Azel has free time. :V

More seriously, now, with some rulership under his belt but before he's completely distracted from philosophic thought with nation building is probably the best time. We probably don't have time for a full treatise, so maybe do a highlights version, hitting the high points?

They have Purity and any other Family-swords should be enchanted bronze too.

Waymar is not head of house. Things we gift Waymar do not count towards wooing the head of household, outside of sentiment Yohn has for his son, because they do not pass on to House Royce of Runestone, instead they pass onto whatever sons Waymar has along with the lands he will win (which is what Yohn is likely expecting. Waymar probably hasn't thought about it at all, and thinks he'll just be knighting about, serving his king as a loyal knight without really thinking about rewards).

It's also a statement. Valyrian swords have special political meaning and weight, particularly in Westeros. It's a nice sword, yes, but its real value is beyond the scope of it's mechanics.
 
How... presumptuous.

And yet, we do need to evacuate these wildlings, inevitably it will be necessary.

But only on our own terms.
 
Moral quandaries are always fun, but i think you guys missed the real questions there, does he have a Battle form? And can we ride It?
Also, i for once agree that this was the time for a verbose speech @Crake consider your debt paid.
 
You act as though I have cause to regret any other time I have made a grandiose speech.

How mistaken can one man be in their misapprehensions? :eyeroll:

Edit: On that note, @Goldfish... gimme that mea culpa, please. :D
 
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Let's try this again;

[X] Counter-offer
-[X] "We shall seek out the nearest Heart Tree dedicated to the Old Gods of Stream, Forest, and Stone. The Winterborn's death will be used to seal a binding oath which you will swear, preventing you from ever again feasting upon mankind, except in those instances where they first attack you or others under your protection, or from seeking to cull those you see as weak. Those you gift with power will swear the same oath, lest they run afoul of me and mine. Agree to these terms or know that you need not fear imprisonment ever again, as we will destroy you here and now."
-[X] If the Bear-man does not accept;
--[X] Viserys casts Assay Spell Resistance, then targets it with Necrotic Bomb, being careful to avoid catching Richard in the blast. If Richard has already closed to melee with it, use Searing Agonizing Elemental Fire Darts rather than Necrotic Bomb. If the Bear-man still lives, Viserys then casts Celerity and targets it with Searing Agonizing Elemental Fire Darts. Viserys will use his Moment of Greatness buff to double the +2 Morale bonus to Ranged Attacks when he first launches a volley of Fire Darts at the Bear-man.
--[X] Dany targets the Bear-man with a Reached Harm spell. She will use her Moment of Greatness buff to double the +2 Morale bonus to Ranged Attacks if she uses Reached Harm against the Bear-man.
--[X] Richard attacks using Pounce and Shock Trooper, Power Attacking as he sees fit.
--[X] Elle will fire arrows at the Bear-man and Harwood will attempt to protect her should it targether.
 
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Sidestep. We'll take them south to our lands, if they kneel to us...but we'll not open the gates of the wall. That isn't ours to command, and thus not ours to pledge.
 
You guys don't understand. The art of the speech is not about guaranteeing success, it is about wresting the hearts and minds of everyone in your vicinity from that of your enemies and their own baser instincts.

So it doesn't always work! What's life without a little risk?!

Victory or spaghetti!
 
;[X] Counter-offer
-[X] "We shall seek out the nearest Heart Tree dedicated to the Old Gods of Stream, Forest, and Stone. The Winterborn's death will be used to seal a binding oath which you will swear, preventing you from ever again preying upon mankind, except in those instances where they attack you or others under your protection without provocation.

So are you saying he is only allowed to eat people who attack him for no reason or that he is no longer allowed to fight anyone without being attacked first? Because even the most peaceful wildling would sooner die than take the latter terms.
 
[X] Swear the oath
-[X] "Long has the wall served to separate men from men, I cannot order the watchers on the wall to open their Gates to what they think their enemies, but I either will convince them that the coming darkness will make us all brothers, or i shall see that other paths south are open for them".
-[X] "Then guide me to a hearttree. The fell blood of a beast of frost and darkness shall be a fitting way to forge such an oath."

Edit:I decided to steal the tree portion from Azel.
 
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[X] Swear the oath
-[X] "Then guide me to a hearttree. The fell blood of a beast of frost and darkness shall be a fitting way to forge such an oath."

Nothing we wouldn't have done anyway.
 
Ughghhhh.
So much not worth it.
Frankly, I don't mind if every single wildling dies but we don't get bad rep with Watch.
Fuck wildlings, and their utter unwillingness to conform even in face of coming shitstorm.
[X] Goldfish
Plan isn't perfect, imho, but better than continuing to being uselessly diplomatic.
 
Ughghhhh.
So much not worth it.
Frankly, I don't mind if every single wildling dies but we don't get bad rep with Watch.
Fuck wildlings, and their utter unwillingness to conform even in face of coming shitstorm.
[X] Goldfish
Plan isn't perfect, imho, but better than continuing to being uselessly diplomatic.
Thats a whole people you are throwing to the wight for the benefit of a couple hundred.
 
No, no, no, we're shooting ourselves in the foot with our diplomatic efforts with the North. We can take the wildlings away by ship, but putting them south of the wall is a minor war in the making, with us on the side of savages (or viewed at fault at least).

Edit: We're pissing away all the goodwill we've built up with the North for what?!
 
So, I'm for that oath, but letting wildlings down past the wall is not something we can really offer at this time?
 
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