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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Crake said:
Aradia would definitely be able to do the most, while suffering the least risk by adventuring up there. Huge band of wildlings threatening the ranger group in the distance? Fly straight up, take stance and bury multiple quivers of arrows into them with deadly accuracy until they flee or die wholesale.

Make sure to supply her with ample obsidian arrowheads.
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Ever since I learned that the Arcanums are capable of gaining class levels, I now want Aradia to tag along with Theon and Moonsong for a bit until she gets a level of Ranger in the style that Theon has. Then she can wreak havoc all she pleases. :D
 
Azel said:
Our definition of loot is a bit broader then most peoples:
- money
- magical items
- spellbooks
- enemies (recruiting)
- enemies (sacrifice)
- enemies (crafting materials)
- enemies (choice bits for grafting)
- enemies (choice bits for resale)
- enemies (skulls for Speak With Dead)
- enemies (trophies)
- buildings

I'm kinda seeing a pattern there...
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don't forget the Landwarden.
- enemies (buildings)
-buildings (enemies)
 
Huh, how about giving Viserys one of those things you guys mentioned that allow Viserys to use a spell slot in order to cast the inscribed spell?

I always thought Viserys is vulnerable to Plane Shift, and we could also use that page to take our Plane Shifters to the Planes Viserys knows of.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Why not make an item of it?
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Or we could learn Scintillating Scales and use an item of Alter Self, which Lya has already begun making in the Greater Ribbons of Disguise.

Talking about items with spells, next turn we should consider crafting Viserys a Book of Spell Knowledge.

There are so many great spells we could add to his repertoire for very cheap, even if we just used spells Lya already knows or has access to from unread scrolls or fellow spellcasters.

Each 1st level page would only cost 75 IM; 300 for 2nd level, 775 for 3rd, 1200 for 4th, and so on.

Here are just a few of Lya's Arcane spells we might want for Viserys to have access to:

1st level: Ant Haul, Comprehend Languages, Heightened Awareness, Keep Watch, Protection from Evil, True Strike
2nd level: Animalistic Power, Cat's Grace, Detect Thoughts, Glitterdust, See Invisibility
3rd level: Alter Fortune, Great Thunderclap, Slow
4th level: Enervation
 
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Goldfish said:
Or we could learn Scintillating Scales and use an item of Alter Self, which Lya has already begun making in the Greater Ribbons of Disguise.
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We use our wyrmling forms quite a bit for scouting and flying around unnoticed. As gleeful as I am with any confirmation of getting Greater Ribbons of Disguise, I don't want to rely on that for our shapechanging.

How often do we use Mirror Image? Why not just retrain that?
 
Duesal said:
We use our wyrmling forms quite a bit for scouting and flying around unnoticed. As gleeful as I am with any confirmation of getting Greater Ribbons of Disguise, I don't want to rely on that for our shapechanging.

How often do we use Mirror Image? Why not just retrain that?
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We use Mirror Image before pretty much every fight where we have time to buff. It's one of our best defensive spells; you don't have to dodge, resist, or muscle through anything if it isn't aimed at you to begin with.

Scintillating Scales is something we should never go into a fight without, at least if we're going to use any Dragon form. At higher levels, there are so many ranged Touch spells which don't allow a saving throw, or if they do, the effect still hurts badly if you successfully resist.

I'd prefer to rely on a Greater Ribbon of Disguise for scout forms than an essential defensive spell.
 
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Goldfish said:
We use Mirror Image before pretty much every fight where we have time to buff. It's one of our best defensive spells; you don't have to dodge, resist, or muscle through anything if it isn't aimed at you to begin with.
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My mistake, then. It never really registered since it's basically never mentioned in the narrative.

I'll admit I'm still hesitant to let go of Alter Self. :/ If we can I'd rather find some way to just learn more spells more than the usual methods we already know (Expanded Arcana, Book of Spell Knowledge, etc).
 
Viserys is feat starved so I feel Expanded Arcane is wasted for him. I would rather take some more Metamagic.

@Goldfish, why not use a spell page for the scales?
 
Seriously though, the Old Gods have a goddamn magic domain. We're asking Bloodraven on how to get permanent extra spell slots along with permanent extra spells.
 
Point for fact, if we do not start picking up metamagic, we're going to need a second prestige class that does not rely on him having meta magic feats, and or one that has them inbuilt.

I mention this because the previously posited Dragon Mystic PrC was pretty metamagic reliant.
 
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Azel said:
Viserys is feat starved so I feel Expanded Arcane is wasted for him. I would rather take some more Metamagic.

@Goldfish, why not use a spell page for the scales?
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That's an alternative, too, though I would still prefer it to be one of Viserys' actual spells rather than something he relies on from an item which can be lost, stolen, or destroyed. I won't make a huge deal out of it, though, so long as we get the spell.

We definitely need at least one Metamagic feat for him before learning Arcane Spellsurge. The spell will be of dramatically less value if we don't have some sort of Metamagic to apply so that we can still cast spells as a Standard Action. Still Spell or Silent Spell would probably be best. They would be useful at other times, and when affected by Arcane Spellsurge, using them would give us the most access to our spell repertoire, since there would only be a +1 level adjustment.
 
I expect an item of alter self would not give us wyrmling forms as that spell in our list has that function from our bloodline.

I strongly feel that it is a poor idea to loose the spell.
 
I think Pyrotechnics could be axed. It's a very nice spell and I would want a spell page for it immediately, but we rarely used it lately, making it rather expendable.
 
Azel said:
I think Pyrotechnics could be axed. It's a very nice spell and I would want a spell page for it immediately, but we rarely used it lately, making it rather expendable.
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I didn't even mention retraining Pyrotechnics this time, because I've mentioned retraining it about a dozen times and gotten no traction each time.

I would be fine with getting rid of it over Alter Self, would prefer it even.
 
Goldfish said:
I didn't even mention retraining Pyrotechnics, because I've mentioned retraining it about a dozen times and gotten no traction each time.
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We've gotten a lot of mileage out of it, but I feel it's no longer useful. It was always nice as a save-or-suck with our little fire ring, but Baleful Polymorph has replaced it in that role entirely.

Only thing you could argue for is the AoE nature of the effect, but when we need AoE options, we always use Searing, Agonizing Firebrand.
 
Could simply invest it in our holdings if we wanted to cheese to skirt around that particular rule.

But it's simpler to just modify the requirement wholesale to a single fixed lump sum.
 
Crake said:
Could simply invest it in our holdings if we wanted to cheese to skirt around that particular rule.

But it's simpler to just modify the requirement wholesale to a single fixed lump sum.
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I think so too. Eating 20,000 IM is definitely a hefty sum already, though it would be worth it to gain access to that class.
 
Crake said:
Could simply invest it in our holdings if we wanted to cheese to skirt around that particular rule.

But it's simpler to just modify the requirement wholesale to a single fixed lump sum.
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Investing the hoard probably wouldn't work, as it's a conceptual requirement.

It would definitely require modification, though, as that PrC is only available at Epic levels.
 
Crake said:
Could simply invest it in our holdings if we wanted to cheese to skirt around that particular rule.

But it's simpler to just modify the requirement wholesale to a single fixed lump sum.
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Azel said:
I think so too. Eating 20,000 IM is definitely a hefty sum already, though it would be worth it to gain access to that class.
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Goldfish said:
Investing the hoard probably wouldn't work, as it's a conceptual requirement.

It would definitely require modification, though, as that PrC is only available at Epic levels.
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Just negotiate with DP, he's not going to be a jerk about this and insist that we eat every bit of our wealth. 20,000 IM is a perfectly reasonable sum to spend to get access to a class that powerful.

It even has a built-in Mindblank!
Iron Mind (Ex): At 9th level, a dragon ascendant becomes immune to mind-affecting effects (charms, compulsions, phantasms, patterns, and morale effects).
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We found a way to not have to rely on an item for Mindblank! :D Good god I want this class now.
 
I think removing Pyrotechnics keeps losing its traction because losing our putting out fires spell seems unwise.
I'd support it wholeheartedly if we had a spell page for it before we leveled, but if there's a period of time where we don't have that spell, we will absolutely have a fire break out right then.
 
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