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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Evaunit02mark1 said:
To be fair calling this Renly a fake is a bit unfair.

He think's he's Renly, he has his memories, his face, even his flesh (presumably).

if he walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, flies like a duck, he's a duck.

It might not be the first edition, but it is a Renly, and doing a far better job than the original would at that.

Considering the 'real' Renly decided to deal with a (possible) deity, pay his price, and run like a rabbit with his tail on fire the question of who would be a better ruler of these lands has been rather definitively answered.
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Yet to someone like Stannis, this Renly can never be anything but a fake. If we have a good opportunity, requiring original flavor Renly for Stannis might be worth it, but for this encounter all we need is to ensure that Stannis will be granted proper freedom (and not harmed, mind controlled, etc.).

It's even worse when you bring the abdication thing into it, because if Renly didn't want it, he could have given it to Stannis, his own family, but he chose a fake replacement over him.

In short, being Stannis is suffering.
 
Problem with any plan involving "the real Renly" is that that person might not exist anymore.
The Changeling has Renly's full memories, his name, blood and possibly True Name too.

It's entirely possible that that means the "real Renly" doesn't have all these things anymore, that he's a nameless wanderer until he makes his own name.
I doubt magic or mundane efforts could find someone who doesn't exist, they should all point to FRenly or nowhere.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Problem with any plan involving "the real Renly" is that that person might not exist anymore.
The Changeling has Renly's full memories, his name, blood and possibly True Name too.

It's entirely possible that that means the "real Renly" doesn't have all these things anymore, that he's a nameless wanderer until he makes his own name.
I doubt magic or mundane efforts could find someone who doesn't exist, they should all point to FRenly or nowhere.
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Freaking Fae Bullshit.

I wonder why the Feywilds are so opposed to the Far Realm, they seem to defy the fundamental laws of existence the same way, with the latter just involving more tentacles in the process.
 
The thing is that that we already asked Stannis what to do if this Renly is a fake. His response? "Write a letter to Robert and explain the situation."

And I'm perfectly fine with that.

Option 1: Robert dismisses the letter.
Result: Stannis pissed at Robert. Easily disposable fake Renly holds Storms End until we are ready to install a puppet. Much political capital by exposing Baratheon rule as a pure mockery.

Option 2: Robert acts on the information.
Result: Stormlands weakened by internal strife. Renly will probably not like being dragged back on the throne and becomes easy pickings for other offers. From a king who doesn't mind to have clerks run the Stormlands.

Option 3: Stannis can't accept just a letter and asks us for more.
Result: "You know the price, dear Stannis. Sign on the dotted line."
 
tarrangar said:
On the other hand the fact that Renly willingly gave Storms End to Frenly, might mean Stannis will seek out real Renly to yell at him instead, I mean technically it's a Lord's right to abdicate, so seeing as Renly apparently did it willingly, Stannis might not think it his place to interfere, no matter how much teeth grinding he will do, over Renly not giving him back Storms End if Renly didn't want it.

Considering Renly did it to himself as opposed to being forced into it, I think Stannis would seek out the real Renly, before trying to dispose of the fake.
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While you have a good point, it's basically a guarantee that Stannis will never accept this Other Renly as the actual Renly.
 
DragonParadox said:
How do you mean? Giving away one's identity for instance is common in stories, the fey just literalize the metaphor, as they do to many others.
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And the Far Realm operates by hypebolizing allegories or abstractions, instead of metaphors or narrative tropes like the Fae do.

Ultimately it's the exact same system, only instead of white marble they use black.
 
Karmic Acumen said:
And the Far Realm operates by hypebolizing allegories or abstractions, instead of metaphors or narrative tropes like the Fae do.

Ultimately it's the exact same system, only instead of white marble they use black.
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Not quite, the mortal mind interprets the Far Realm as operating by hypebolizing allegories or abstractions. Those few unfortunates who actually begin to understand what is behind that final curtain go irrevocably mad.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jan 3, 2018 at 3:09 PM, finished with 135178 posts and 7 votes.
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DragonParadox said:
Not quite, the mortal mind interprets the Far Realm as operating by hypebolizing allegories or abstractions. Those few unfortunates who actually begin to understand what is behind that final curtain go irrevocably mad.
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And the ones who venture too deep into the Feywild just lose everything they have and are, which isn't much better for them in the grand scheme of things :p. The only difference is that one is a raving madness and the other is a apathetic, driveless madness.
 
[X] Artemis1992

If the domovoi's information proves correct, I have zero issues leaving the Renplacement to rule in Storm's End, and leaving Former Renly to his new life, presumably as Garth Greenhand, or whatever that knight with the pixie is called.

Stannis can deal with it or go to war to reclaim his ancestral seat. I would prefer him to fight over it, as further destabilization of the Seven Kingdoms works in our long term favor.
 
[X] Head to Evenfall Hall and meet this Other Renly
We can at least get a look at the guy and see what he's like before we make any calls.
 
Goldfish said:
[X] Artemis1992

If the domovoi's information proves correct, I have zero issues leaving the Renplacement to rule in Storm's End, and leaving Former Renly to his new life, presumably as Garth Greenhand, or whatever that knight with the pixie is called.

Stannis can deal with it or go to war to reclaim his ancestral seat. I would prefer him to fight over it, as further destabilization of the Seven Kingdoms works in our long term favor.
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You're right, his name is Garth the Green. All relevant information on the Westerosi adventuring party compiled here:

A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover | Page 5126

Levels, classes, races, known items, etc, along with all updates they've appeared in.
 
I don't really see the problem for us here. This fake Renly is actually competent at his job and as far as I'm concerned if he's willing to ransom Stannis then great.

If Stannis wants to start a civil war then fine all the better for us it shows Robert can't control his brothers and weakens Westeros for us to take later.
 
DragonParadox said:
The pieces might yet be recovered, the costumes set to rights, which is moire than one can say for the Far Realm.
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Actually, Heal and Restoration can heal insanity, right? So can a Wish. So technically, whoever goes apples and oranges can recover faster and with a lot fewer strings attached than someone who outright loses everything to the Feywild.

Magic muddles this argument quite a bit, I fear.
 
DragonParadox said:
Not quite, the mortal mind interprets the Far Realm as operating by hypebolizing allegories or abstractions. Those few unfortunates who actually begin to understand what is behind that final curtain go irrevocably mad.
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This why I want to have Valaena teach Xor embroidery...

Also reminds me of the okayed Madness to Sanity inducing pattern / bilestone / aberration, research. @Tomcost I think Xor would be very happy to spend time on such a project. Seeing as he is sad about how his existence causes insanity...

Also Sanity Embroidery would be a very cool elective class for the Scholarium, lol. :V
 
If this NotRenly seems to be on the level, whether he knows what he is or not, we should make part of the conditions for ransoming Stannis a promise not to harm or restrain him in any way until he has taken his leave and returned to his own fief.
That way there is no issue with ransoming him, since even if it is not quite his brother, his freedom and wellbeing would be guaranteed.
We can explain the situation to him before releasing him, whether he believes us and whatever he decides to do is on his own head.
 
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