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Myrddin
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It's not like a military outpost is supposed to look pretty.
Lys is/was the pleasure resort.
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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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It's not like a military outpost is supposed to look pretty.
Lys is/was the pleasure resort.
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Pretty much this. We achieve nothing by sitting around and doing nothing when we could build a powerbase and start the creation of Freehold 2.0.
Yeah and Viserys considers Lys a beautiful city if marred by slavery. His opinion on Tyrosh is pretty much absolutely negative. So why would he want to own it, instead of just looting?It's not like a military outpost is supposed to look pretty.
Lys is/was the pleasure resort.
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Myrddin
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I'm fairly sure Viserys can see the inherent benefits of an island fortress, even if he finds it aesthetically ugly IC. TD ain't that pretty, either.
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Because he can fix it?
Because he has city burning hang ups and this would be close enough to doing it for no reason.
If we go in and loot it only to piss off then we are part of the problem, there's motivation there even if only out of selfish reasons to see himself as better.
Neither.
We're going to be heading North to talk to Bloodraven / Jon / Aemon / Asha pretty soon, while we're up there we'll probably get a lead on Part 1 of the Other questline to bring the Starks on our side.
There's also diplomancing the Iron Islands (fighting back Deep One attack motivated by the widespread apostasy against the Drowned God under the Reader?) and clearing up their line of succession, which Theon's request to talk to Asha might be the hook for.
And there's Waymar's communications with his father (that we never spoke with him about) possibly leading into the situation with the OG-worshiping mountain clans in the Vale that we might want to take a hand in.
And there's Stannis on Dragonstone that we have a lead on turning to our side, which we have reason to go visit for Rhaella's bones soon anyway; and he leads into the Stormlands and the Crownlands.
And Dorne, of course.
That's of six of the eight Seven Kingdoms (count 'em) that we have natural plot-hooks for getting involved in, in ways that don't involve openly declaring war but still potentially end up with us in very good position to count on their support for our restoration.
As compared to the Free Cities, where you guys just seem to be thinking about conquering and/or looting them just because they're there?
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Myrddin
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Honestly, I don't mind meddling about in the Seven Kingdoms, but you have to admit it's risky. Bobby B is triggerhappy to a T, and Varys is certainly no friends of ours, even if he might pretend to be one if we ever talked.
It doesn't matter if we openly declare war or not, what matters is if war will be declared on us.
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I wasn't aware you needed more reason to conquer something...
However, while it's a nice list you made there, how do you expect us to run what amounts to covert-ops missions all across Westeros?
In case you haven't noticed by now, we suck at this 'subtle' thingamabob.
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So having a boat is too antagonistic but wandering around Westeros making alliances is a-ok?
I am soooo confused.
Are you suggesting conquering a Free City would be less provocative than skulking around doing adventurer things in disguise?
I'm talking about, say, flying into the Vale and browbeating the mountain clans into swearing fealty, and arranging for Yohn Royce to somehow claim credit for their sudden docility to put him in our debt; or teleporting Theon to the Iron Islands and diplomancing Harlaw into seeing things our way, possibly by dumping a bunch of Illithid heads on his table; or whatever, not actually going around introducing ourselves as Viserys Targaryen. Obviously we can't do that.
We made it through Volantis relatively low-key, even with as ballooned as that detour ended up becoming. And we would have made it into Mantarys just fine if you guys didn't vote to murder the gate guard for no reason. I hope we can chalk that one up to a learning experience and never do it again, right?
This is just me spitballing anyway, I'm sure when it gets to the point of an actual quest hook it will be more apparent how we're supposed to pull it off without giving the game away.
Yes, I'm clearly talking about walking around in public in our real appearance, declaring our true name from the rooftops.
Also, actually, you may have meant that as sarcasm, but yes; unverifiable rumors of us being somewhere, possibly in two different cities at once, is less provocative than us very publicly having a privately-owned battleship in disputed waters. Like, that's obviously true.
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Low key. We were recognised and greeted by the Red Priests in less than one hour.
Also we announce ourselves at the inner gate.
And we went to a party as half-dragon.
You think we can spend three day in Westeros without setting anything on fire or flying as a dragon?
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@pedanterrific, don't get me wrong, I'm not against doing any of those things, but I don't want to commit to dragging 11 highly noticeable people across enemy territory for another few months.
We have teleport and a sufficiently bloated party to split up. Let Viserys diplomance the quest giver and then leave behind a small group to deal with the issue, while we go to the next stop or focus on other things.
That also minimises the time we need to keep our ego in check.
We have teleport and a sufficiently bloated party to split up. Let Viserys diplomance the quest giver and then leave behind a small group to deal with the issue, while we go to the next stop or focus on other things.
That also minimises the time we need to keep our ego in check.
We weren't in disguise, no. It's not like we burned down any buildings.
If we had been in disguise, we could have walked straight out of the city free and clear in one day, with our total involvement amounting to having been present for an internal dispute between an elemental working for the Fire Caller and one of his priests.
Oh god no. Not taking the full party anywhere ever again.
I'm thinking a regular four-person party works well with our current Teleport passenger limit.
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Because we can't conquer any of Westeros until Robert dies, and it's desirable to have some powerbase larger than TD by the time the war starts. See: Stannis's position in canon. Even canon!fAegon invaded with the Golden Company. (Dorne will sit things out if they don't see a way to win.)
Mind you, imitating canon!Dany among the Three Daughters is questionable at best, but unlike canon!Dany we can actually keep those cities if we do conquer Westeros. The risk is getting attacked by a Volantis-Robert alliance, but it's at least something I believe we should think about.
The other plans I've seen proposed are, IMO, worse. Sacking Tyrosh and leaving seems like it's both unlikely to give us personally much of anything, and like we have even less of a chance of success, because we'd have zero allies within the city. Plus massive reputation hit. Conquering only Tyrosh or Lys, and banning slavery, would get us smashed in rapid order. Conquering Tyrosh or Lys and not trying to change society in any way... it isn't consistent with either Viserys's character or the Old Gods' tenets, first of all, but secondly it would mean we have no real support for our rule there. Changing from republic to monarchy tends to be rather unpopular, on its own.
Edit: On the first paragraph: it's not just a matter of landing with an army vs. landing without one, but that's part of it. The Narrow Sea Houses could serve as our base, which is why I want to visit them soon - but any of the Kingdoms will ultimately be fighting for themselves first, and us second. As for the Vale, we'll surely be at a numeric disadvantage there.
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Richard and Dany as standard-companions and whoever we need for the current plot in addition?
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That's a great way to get everyone else drastically underleveled.
OK, vote closed.
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They can have their own adventures.
Those two are just the people that should stay close to Viserys most of the time.
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Proposal:
Dany, Tyene, Glyra, Garin for Sunspear.
Roundtrip to Pentos with the rest.
Drop Lya and Xor in Braavos to look into the Archives.
Visit Morpatis.
Viserys, Vee, Richard, Waymar to the Vale.
Sounds good to you?
I've said before that I don't see any reason to engage with the "thousands of peasants armed with spears" model of war. We can fly and teleport, and our military power is concentrated in our own person. Westeros is a feudal system, where power is concentrated in a very small number of hands.
2+2= battle of champions, not of armies.
Don't see a reason to decide party composition before we know what it's for. If it's something low-pressure in the immediate future, where we don't have particular reason to expect to be attacked by gribblies, just taking Maelor and the psychic twins might be fun. That would be a really weird EPL calc.
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The Vale is Arryn and Arryn is pro Robert, browbeating the mountain clans, maybe, anybody not looking into why they've suddenly changed behaviours, not a chance.
Iron islands, maybe, that's the best I can say about that.
Talking to the Starks(or Starks with any power) while Robert is alive. Nope.
Dorne I'm with ya.
All of the above and everywhere else.
Spies exist and they don't have to catch us, they just have to read a note or overhear the many inevitable conversations that follow in our wake.
Unverifiable rumours of us being in multiple locations sometimes on the same day.
They are verified by their numbers and you can't argue that the Crown has it's own adventurers so we better be careful but also they don't know about teleportation because we're lucky.
Proposal: we take several months of downtime, then do the Beyond the Wall trip like Dany was pushing us to do on the way to Volantis, then see where we stand. I have a feeling we'll have a better idea of our medium-term options then.
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Myrddin
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- VV Cephei
It is markedly easier for Bobby B to not give two shits about us as long as we're off doing whatever it is "dragonspawn" do in Essos.
The moment he hears about us skulking about in Westeros(and he will, Varys will assure it), is the moment we might as well start the invasion of Westeros full tilt, because he won't stop until he's Rhaegar'd us.
EDIT: I agree on the trek beyond the Wall though, we've put it off for long enough. Although, we'll still need to stop by Dragonstone for Rhaella's bones, I think.
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Add a melee fighter to Lya's group. Maybe Glyra since we can trust her to not do anything too troublesome now being Good and all.