I thought about doing a fourth update, but I do not quite have that in me in spite of all the ideas crowding around in my head. I'm thinking of doing a big reel of testimonies starting with the Rebellion and King's Landing and ending with the deal with the Formians.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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You should probably handle each of these things with an individual update, or it will make this whole things seem disjointed as fuck. The nature and circumstances of these crimes are very different.
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@DragonParadox, don't forget to add Gerion and Lanna. We will be here all week if we trie them separately.
True, all the better that I did not start tonight when they would have been all the more incoherent.
Well good night guys, see you tomorrow with the crimes of House Lannister and possibly the death of a bunch of people named Hill.
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Ohh yesss. The trial is glorious! Enjoying that Tywin still has his own spine.
Well that is all he has at this point. What does he have to lose?
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There are still plenty of things we can and will take from him...
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Skin, flesh, bones, mind, time, age, dignity, honor, pride, his hair... Tonsils!
If you did not take those so far he reasons you are not going to take them over showing pride in court.
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The ironic thing is had Tywin been born as Viserys' friend he probably would have been his greatest supporter.
I blame Aerys for everything.
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To be fair, a lot of the Westeros Political Drama was at least tangentially his fault, WRT Viserys being exiled, the war against 'Dear Cousin Robert', as Danaerys once called him.
If Aerys wasn't such a crazy SOB, the rebellion would have gotten far less traction, if it even would have gotten off of the ground in the first place.
Of course, Rhaegar would probably be King on the Iron Throne instead of Viserys, so...
If we were to do that, I would prefer to start as someone else just so we aren't retreading the same plotlines at least early on. On that note, I wish we could've gotten omakes on what choosing Gendry or Arya would have looked like for the beginning.It really would not, the best I might be able to do after a long time would be a reboot and I do not think anyone here wants to go back to the One Eyed Rat.
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That was more a joke than anything, I do not think I would have the sheer courage to start up something this large from the top.
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Part MMMDCCLXXI: Of Blood and Fire
Of Blood and Fire
Eighteenth Day of the Fifth Month 294 AC
"Let the record show that the accused refuses to comply with court procedures. For the benefit of the accused, the court will assume that he has plead 'not guilty'. Proceed, Lord Vanor," you reply in place of the outburst the accused was probably expecting and hoping for. Or not... perhaps he actually thinks he is giving good advice, a payment of sort for having been treated well as a prisoner. Even now at the last Tywin Lannister does not seem to understand what the rise of magic means for the world, that your 'kindness' is nothing of the sort, but instead simple conventional. You do not need a rack and thumbscrews to make your case and to have him show any sort of bruise or wound would make a poor show for the mirrors. There is yet much you can take from the proud terrible old man in front of you and it shall not involve laying a hand on him.
Malarys lips twitch ever so slightly in amusement, though you doubt any who do not know him as well as you could have seen it, much less guessed the cause. 'Let us add on a charge of contempt of court to the one of murder and slavery and all sundry sins that only the noose can absolve. That way he can pay a fine with the coin he does not have...'
There is the faint scratch of the court calligraphy wyrm laying down the very charge on paper, then he continues. "On the matter of the attack upon King's Landing and the ordering of the deaths of the Princess Ellia Martell, her son Aegon and her daughter Rhaenys the prosecution calls upon a posthumous witness Gregor Clegane, called by some the Mountain that Rides."
The skull gleams white and pristine in the light of the mage lamps, though you had to repair it from the ruin Sandor had made of it. As you knew it would the voice of Gregor Clegane, still echoing with a faint remnant of his hateful will, recounts how he had been commanded to kill Aegon and Rhaenys and had Malarys not stopped it you know it would have given even the details of the deed. It had obviously been something of a highlight of Clegane's miserable life, to have been so well preserved in his bones. Though Elia's death had not been ordered it is clear that at the very least in sending the Mountain on his murderous errand the Lord of the Westerlands had at the very least not cared to preserve her life, and not once had he ever been brought to task for the crime even in private. It is more brief, but no less clear, on the matter of who had ordered the sack.
For corroboration on that part you have some of the horn blowers and signalmen of the Lannister hosts from those times brought forth to testify that indeed the sack had been long planned, before the hosts of the Westerlands had even set out almost certainly. It would have after all been rather impolitic to bring the lords to give the same account.
'And so you shall be thanking me, my lords, for allowing 'smallfolk' to testify when you cursed my great-grandfather for it,' you think with carefully veiled amusement.
Next comes a matter that is not public record at all, that the Wyldfire attack in the Deep had been planned in the Red Keep and 'the substance' provided by the Alchemists' Guild at the king's command with the aid and agreement of the lord of the Westerlands. The documents Pycelle had been able to gather on the matter do not have any Lannister seals, but they do have one of the Golden Shields in the matter of transporting the stuff and handing of off to the 'foreign wizard'.
The revelation that said wizard had been one of the Deep Ones awakens quite a few shocked gasps among the more excitable of the Curia, and you suspect it would have drawn groans among the more savvy had they allowed themselves the luxury.
"The crown does not usually allow one to remain unprosecuted on the matter of making alliance with the enemies of all the world, but in this case given how clearly the record shows that you neither knew nor cared what manner of killer you had 'hired' to slay tens of thousands the prosecution allows that your ignorance should be taken as genuine," a small note of disdain entered Malarys tone at last. "Do you have anything to say in your defense that counters what has been here said and shown?"
"Only this," the Old Lion replies more angry at the implication of his own incompetence than he would like to show. "You cast a spell upon a skull that we must take on faith of your honesty that it is Clegane's and then it says when you wished it to say. Who is to say what else you might make it say or whence it came?" Looking around the domed hall he adds. "Which of you my lords will be next charged on the words of hollow bones and men of no account that you might buy with three coppers on the roadside?"
"That I could do something should not be taken as a sign that I did, Lord Lannister," Malarys replies, now again in his perfectly neutral tones. "I could simply have made you say that you were guilty, but unlike you I have never made puppets of others in defiance of both oath and law. As soon say that all who bear a sword must have committed as many crimes of violence as your... Mountain. There are standards for evidence in this court and those standards are publicly known. While I cannot here reveal the source of the Inquisition's for some of them, postcognitive divinations have established that the documents have come from the hands of a member of the Golden Shields and some of those same mages are willing to testify against you. As has been shown time and again, slaves are only too glad to do that against a master who abused them."
"Fine then, I shall play along in this mummery," the old man sighs, as though weary of the follies he sees around him. He turns to you. "There was no law in the Seven Kingdoms that claimed that laying geas on another was slavery. Am I then to be judged by the laws of a realm I was not then part of and did not recognize, indeed a realm that did not exist when the first of these supposed crimes of magic were committed? If that is the standard then I imagine all of Westeros shall see men in grey cloaks demanding the throne's due darkening their door, and I do not think that all your magic is enough for that."
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OOC: Tywin can stand being called a monster much better than being called an idiot, news at 11.
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Hehehe, yeah! Call him as evil as you want, but Tywin won't stand for people diminishing his intelligence.
He is not totally wrong, and we have forgiven bad crimes before when they were against the law, but we can turn it on him.
Bring in a few people he put geas on and have them recount their experiences, and if it doesn't sound like slavery which was illegal than I don't know how else it could be.
[X] Bring in various people who had been subject to geas, low and highborn, to describe their experiences while under it. Show how that while it was not slavery in conventional sense it was slavery in letter and spirit under Westeros law, to take away the will and agency of others under the hand of a slaver driver.
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He ain't quite wrong.
What legal mummery did we make in the Free Cities for this?
I mean, it was always our policy to leave most slavers alive and only put some of the worst on trial, but what was the legal fiction behind that?
Amnesty for all but those, orcharging them on other account than slavery?
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[X] "The Imperium is the legal successor to the state of the Iron Throne, which has been dissolved by order of the rightful sovereign of said entity. The deeds recounted here were illegal under custom and law of the Iron Throne, so it falls on the Imperium to persecute those who broke them."
-[X] "Unless you wish to claim that slavery and murder were legal under Westerosi law. A stance that most legal scholars would likely consider amusing until you tell them that you are willing to stake your life on this nonsense."
-[X] "Unless you wish to claim that slavery and murder were legal under Westerosi law. A stance that most legal scholars would likely consider amusing until you tell them that you are willing to stake your life on this nonsense."
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For the Free Cities, we didn't persecute things happening before the conquest that were legal then.
For Westeros though, we were the legal sovereign, as we reject the notion that Robert was legally king.
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Well, only if you can definitly define his deeds as "slavery" by the old law of Westeros.
Which is hard, as it is propably about buying and selling people, no mention of forcing them to work or fight (which is normal for smallfolk with things like levies).
He's correct that geasing was propably not invlved in the definition.
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Textualism is largely an excuse for reactionary judges that disagree with the law as intended.
Ruling that the specifics of Tywins deeds fall under the intent of a law banning slavery is well within the scope of a judges power, let alone that of the sovereign.
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Good enough.
I guess I'd like the case to be a bit more clear-cut in text, but I guess we can get away with not all every i dotted and t crossed, particularly since we did have a clear and obvious case on the murder and oathbreaking in King's Landing.
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