So, maybe add a bit pointing out the many times knights of the Kingsguard broke either their Kingsguard oaths or their knightly oaths to the gods?

Because just within recent history a king was killed by one of their Kingsguard, and another cuckolded by their Kingsguard (and it was the same guy too :p). And that's before we actually start to get into the dirty laundry of Aerys' Kingsguard. Just what everybody knows they did in Rhaegar's behalf is a major breach of a knight's oaths to the Maiden, which is of course a big no no.

Clearly the office of the Kingsguard doesn't draw in trustworthy people, and you might as well say it out loud.
 
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So, maybe add a bit pointing out the many times knights of the Kingsguard broke either their Kingsguard oaths or their knightly oaths to the gods?

Because just within recent history a king was killed by one of their Kingsguard, and another cuckolded by their Kingsguard (and it was the same guy too :p). And that's before we actually start to get into the dirty laundry of Aerys' Kingsguard. Just what everybody knows they did in Rhaegar's behalf is a major breach of a knight's oaths to the Maiden, which is of course a big no no.

Clearly the office of the Kingsguard doesn't draw in trustworthy people, and you might as well say it out loud.
That would be political Armageddon. The nobles would freak out how we are not following the script where we ignore how fucking awful the checks on our power went for our family and that we're not welcoming them back with open arms.

So... yes?
 
That would be political Armageddon. The nobles would freak out how we are not following the script where we ignore how fucking awful the checks on our power went for our family and that we're not welcoming them back with open arms.

So... yes?
That pretty much already happened. We conclusive proved that the big check & balance of distributed military power that underlies the feudal system is gone.
 
That pretty much already happened. We conclusive proved that the big check & balance of distributed military power that underlies the feudal system is gone.

In fact that proof is currently running a command post all around you. That said the nobles are still scrambling for soft power... like the inherent value as they see it of lordships, knighthood and institutions like the kingsguard.
 
In fact that proof is currently running a command post all around you. That said the nobles are still scrambling for soft power... like the inherent value as they see it of lordships, knighthood and institutions like the kingsguard.
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It makes for a good intimidating backdrop. It's not as if we could have sugar-coated the military-industrial complex.
 
How about we give the idiot a challenge. If each one of the former kingsguard can land 3 blows upon sir Richard without being struck in turn.... They can stay and serve under him.


Edir: Who knows, we might find someone actually SKILLED among them.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Mar 18, 2021 at 11:55 AM, finished with 64 posts and 19 votes.

  • [X] There are the Praetori, the Imperial Legions and the Imperial Airforce, who fight in your name. Many knights already have joined these institutions and proven themselves there. The Imperium is more than just Westeros and likewise, it's institutions need to be broader than it, but he is mistaken if he thinks that there are no knights in your service or that the realm as no place for them.
    [X] Heavy are the oaths of knight but neither more nor less worthy than those of others who have sworn themselves to you, you are not king of the Seven Kingdoms, but Imperator and from your Praetorian Guard which has proven itself to finely in both King's landing and Casterly Rock none shall be excluded for lacking a title used only in Westeros and not even all of it
    [X] Knights are inefficient. They cost too much compared to their power. The throne is fiscally responsible and will be guarded by a dozen of the super seekers.
    [X] No.
    [X] Plan "Point and Laugh":
 
[X] Plan "Point and Laugh":
-Step 1: Raise your finger, point at Selmy and laugh.
-Step 2: Cast Fireball.
-Step 3: ????
-Step 4: Profit.

/s
Viserys would probably refuse under any circumstances to execute someone summarily in the Red Keep's throne room, much less by fire.

They can be arrested, tried and then executed humanely at a later date.
 
Viserys would probably refuse under any circumstances to execute someone summarily in the Red Keep's throne room, much less by fire.

They can be arrested, tried and then executed humanely at a later date.

But what happens if they managed to pull a Yi-Ti Diplomat? Like the Kami situation?
 
Winning Vote
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Mar 18, 2021 at 11:55 AM, finished with 64 posts and 19 votes.

  • [X] There are the Praetori, the Imperial Legions and the Imperial Airforce, who fight in your name. Many knights already have joined these institutions and proven themselves there. The Imperium is more than just Westeros and likewise, it's institutions need to be broader than it, but he is mistaken if he thinks that there are no knights in your service or that the realm as no place for them.
    [X] Heavy are the oaths of knight but neither more nor less worthy than those of others who have sworn themselves to you, you are not king of the Seven Kingdoms, but Imperator and from your Praetorian Guard which has proven itself to finely in both King's landing and Casterly Rock none shall be excluded for lacking a title used only in Westeros and not even all of it
    [X] Knights are inefficient. They cost too much compared to their power. The throne is fiscally responsible and will be guarded by a dozen of the super seekers.
    [X] No.
    [X] Plan "Point and Laugh":
 
Part MMMDCCXX: Where Honors are Due
Where Honors are Due

First Day of the Fifth Month 294 AC

"Thank you for speaking your piece, my lord," you reply calmly, to the surprise of some of those attending. You do however mean it, as frustrating as the substance of Selmy's argument might be, an insult to every 'commoner' in the Imperium from the Legion recruits to Sandor and technically even Mereth or Riz'Neth, you still much prefer that he make said argument aloud where you can hear it and deal with it openly rather than whispered in dark corners where you would have to hunt it down like some illusive beast.

No, this is one quarry you can spear here and now in the sight of lords leal and reluctant. "There are the Praetori, the Imperial Legions and the Imperial Airforce, who fight in my name under the banners of Empire. Many knights already have joined these institutions and proven themselves there by. The Imperium is more than just Westeros and likewise, it's institutions need to be broader than it, but that does not mean there is no place within it for those who wear the oaths of knighthood and keep them true."

The applause and cheers that follows that statement are... uneven, as a ship might be unsteady when turned on a new heading, but looking around on the faces of those present you do not think you have made any new enemies by the way you formulated your words. You have cut them off from a one more gilded string that bound the dynasty all these years, but in a way that did not offend pride or prestige.

Stannis Baratheon and Lord Patrek Mallister both look thoughtful, though you imagine for much different reasons.

After Lord Selmy withdraws with as much grace as circumstances allow you call a break from the proceedings before dealing with the last of the Stormlander lords, or rather former lords of the Stormlands. No one would think that Garret Trant is fit for office after forcing poison upon his family rather than surrender, something that must have been weeks it not months in the planning.

Alas, your plans for a straightforward condemnation are tangled by the fact that the Dawnstar's healers were not as discreet as they might have been about the condition of his youngest daughter.

"What the hells possessed them to reveal confidential information about the girl to her father, the one who poisoned her mind?" you make no attempt to hide the anger in your voice here. There is no one in the small antechamber to hear you but Dany, Lya, your mother and Ser Richard.

"Well, by all accounts that is why they did it," your mother replies, having read the report from the Dawnstar. "It was a Fallen Lantern Arrchon who thought it fair that the man who had killed his own flesh and blood lest they be infected by 'foul magic' should know that his daughter and last remaining heir manifested infernal magic."

"So if we bring him forward to face judgement he would start shouting about dark magic, including implicating his daughter before we even know how she managed to develop said magic," you conclude. "I suppose the man does not need a public trial from me, I could just hand him over to Stannis who will see him dealt with and pay as little mind to talk of erinyes being untrustworthy as he would to the hollow roar of waves against the cliff. "

"But if we do not make this public there will be rumors," your mother notes. "Court rumors can be fantastical, even springing from the most mundane seeds. I shudder to think of what might result when the seed itself is so fantastical."

"Are they going to care that much about Trant?" Dany asks. "It's not a particularly rich holding for all it was sworn directly to Storm's End."

You shake your head. "It's the only Stormlander House whose lands are wholly confiscated, they would care even if it was a sheep pasture and a pile of loose rocks."

How do you deal with the situation with House Trant?

[] Bring the disgraced lord forward to try and take on his allegations head on, present Usizil and how she saved the girl's life among many other acts of service to the Imperium to make it clear why some baatezu are welcome to swear to you and become citizens of the Imperium

[] Let Stannis deal with the judging
-[]... and stay silent on the matter of House Trant, you will deal with the rumors as they come after you figure out what happened to Anne
-[]... but make a report on the matter public before moving on to the Vale, nothing too elaborate but get ahead of the rumors

[] Write in


OOC: This is not as large of a decision as the previous one, though it will play into rolls about the acceptance of Imperial authority and maybe interactions with the Faith too.
 
"What the hells possessed them to reveal confidential information about the girl to her father, the one who poisoned her mind?" you make no attempt to hide the anger in your voice here. There is no one in the small antechamber to hear you but Dany, Lya, your mother and Ser Richard.

"Well, by all accounts that is why they did it," your mother replies, having read the report from the Dawnstar. "It was a Fallen Lantern Arrchon who thought it fair that the man who had killed his own flesh and blood lest they be infected by 'foul magic' should know that his daughter and last remaining heir manifested infernal magic."
I get why he did it, but... :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

At this point we need to have Imperium wide instruction on "When not to run your mouth."

This is getting ridiculous. Even the Archons are getting in on the action.
 
Where Honors are Due

First Day of the Fifth Month 294 AC

"Thank you for speaking your piece, my lord," you reply calmly, to the surprise of some of those attending. You do, however, mean what you say. As frustrating as the substance of Selmy's argument might be, an insult to every 'commoner' in the Imperium, from the Legion recruits to Sandor and technically even Mereth or Riz'Neth, you still much prefer that he make said argument aloud where you can hear it and deal with it openly rather than whispered in dark corners where you would have to hunt it down like some illusive beast.

No, this is one quarry you can spear here and now in the sight of lords, leal and reluctant alike. "There are the Praetori, the Imperial Legions, and the Imperial Airforce, who fight in my name under the banners of Empire. Many knights already have joined these institutions and proven themselves there by. The Imperium is more than just Westeros and likewise, it's institutions need to be broader in turn, but that does not mean there is no place within it for those who swear the oaths of knighthood and keep them true."

The applause and cheers that follows that statement are... uneven, as a ship might be unsteady when turned on a new heading, but looking upon the faces of those present, you do not think you have made any new enemies by the way you formulated your words. You have cut them off from a more gilded string that bound the dynasty all these years, but in a way that did not offend pride or prestige.

Stannis Baratheon and Lord Patrek Mallister both look thoughtful, though you imagine for much different reasons.

After Lord Selmy withdraws with as much grace as circumstances allow, you call a break from the proceedings before dealing with the last of the Stormlander lords, or rather former lords of the Stormlands. No one would think that Garret Trant is fit for office after forcing poison upon his family rather than surrender, something that must have been weeks if not months in the planning.

Alas, your plans for a straightforward condemnation are tangled by the fact that the Dawnstar's healers were not as discreet as they might have been about the condition of his youngest daughter.

"What the Hells possessed them to reveal confidential information about the girl to her father, the one who poisoned her?" you make no attempt to hide the anger in your voice here. There is no one in the small antechamber to hear you but Dany, Lya, your mother, and Ser Richard.

"Well, by all accounts that is why they did it," your mother replies, having read the report from the Dawnstar. "It was a Fallen Lantern Arrchon who thought it fair that the man who had killed his own flesh and blood, lest they be infected by 'foul magic', should know that his daughter and last remaining heir manifested infernal magic."

"So if we bring him forward to face judgement he would start shouting about dark magic, including implicating his daughter before we even know how she managed to develop said magic," you conclude. "I suppose the man does not need a public trial from me. I could just hand him over to Stannis, who will see him dealt with and pay as little mind to talk of erinyes being untrustworthy as he would to the hollow roar of waves against the cliff."

"But there will be rumors if we do not make this public," your mother notes. "Court rumors can be fantastical, even springing from the most mundane seeds. I shudder to think of what might result when the seed itself is so fantastical."

"Are they going to care that much about Trant?" Dany asks. "It's not a particularly rich holding for all it was sworn directly to Storm's End."

You shake your head. "It's the only Stormlander House whose lands are wholly confiscated. They would care even if it was a sheep pasture and a pile of loose rocks."

How do you deal with the situation with House Trant?

[] Bring the disgraced lord forward to try and take on his allegations head on, present Usizil and how she saved the girl's life among many other acts of service to the Imperium to make it clear why some baatezu are welcome to swear to you and become citizens of the Imperium

[] Let Stannis deal with the judging
-[]... and stay silent on the matter of House Trant, you will deal with the rumors as they come after you figure out what happened to Anne
-[]... but make a report on the matter public before moving on to the Vale, nothing too elaborate but get ahead of the rumors

[] Write in


OOC: This is not as large of a decision as the previous one, though it will play into rolls about the acceptance of Imperial authority and maybe interactions with the Faith too.
Made some additional edits to the chapter, DP.
 
How about a quick round of memory modification? We can nip this problem in the bud with one spell.
 
Semi-Canon Omake: Getting the Gang back together I
Getting the Gang back together I

Leafdancer looked upon the slope of the Frostfang with something akin to disbelieve. Her eyes and all other senses told her it was just a snow-covered slope of no particular significance, yet the knowledge her masters had gifted her repeated that this was the correct point to dig.

With a shrug she began calling for the echoes of primal earth in small groups with each call, ordering them to start digging through ice and stone, for certainly a few millenia of erosion would not stop the Void from sensing its servant's position.

Indeed it was a matter of hours before the elementals had reached a natural cave system and she dismissed them. She considered going down there, but what was trapped there would be hungry, and she did not fancy the idea of trying to fight it there, under the earth and cut off from her sky. So she called out into the forest below and waited some time longer, until the first animals came, a large Shadowcat and its kittens and went into the cave before her.

Steadying herself with a deep breath before descending into the earth after them, she walked through the tunnels until she finally found the Rune-marked entrance. The magic had long since failed, but the prisoner had been starved and asleep, so it had mattered little. She send the cats ahead and waited.

For several minutes there was no sound at all, but then she hadn't expected any kind of struggle, and finally she heard a loud tearing and chewing that told her her gift was being appreciated.

As she followed the sound she saw Alaric feasting on the dead cats, all deceased without a sound or a sign of struggle and tried to judge what sanity was left in the creature before her, after all this time.

He certainly still looked as he ever had, emaciated and pale like a man that had actually spend weeks in this cave, rather than an immortal creature sleeping for millennia. His eyes were still as strange as they used to be, one small, deep-sunken into his lined face and in the that blue that was so common among the servants of Winter, but the other larger, incongruously so for his face and burning in a far brighter blue that almost seemed to have his own light.

The rest of him looked normal for the most part, his clothes long since fallen to dust save for a chainshirt and some jewelry, his every rib visible, his arms thin twigs with little muscle or meat beneath skin. The only exception to this picture of a starving mortal were his skeletal claws, even now digging flesh from the cat and pushing it into his mouth.

As he saw her, she noticed recognition in his eyes, as he interrupted his meal and stood up to greet her with a bow.

"I feel it has been too long since we met, my lady, though I'm afraid I couldn't tell how long in truth?" he finished the sentence with a questioning rise in his dry voice.
Sane then, or as close as he usually was to it. Good, that made her work here easier.

As she explained to him that over eight millennia had past, that the Builder whose apprentices had caged him here was long fallen to dust, and what else she knew of the world behind the Builder's accursed creation, they walked towards the fresh air outside and he busied himself cleaning off and changing his shape into something that could pass for a man, though the pale grey eyes would still be discomforting for most caught in their gaze.

"So is it time yet to go south, ahead of the great hosts as we did before, weeding out those among the mortals that could pose a threat?" he finally asked.

"Not yet, it is still autumn, not Winter. It is my time, but not that of our masters and each move of theirs allows another from their foes. So we will gather those who, like you or me, can work outside of the sheltering Night, to prepare the world for its coming."

"So they still live, or I guess being less than truly dead would be enough for our master's needs?"

"They live, though I'm afraid not nearly as conveniently located as you were. Amaura of the Iron Death was last perceived in Broken Heaven by our masters, but she has since then entered a portal to Nirvana and not been seen by servants of the Void. I assume that she will work there as mercenary, she has a need for money for her contraptions and workshops and a hunger for blood that is less literal and less easily quelled than yours for flesh. I will make my way there and bring her the news of the coming work.

Sorin has somehow managed to regain his place as executioner for the Elder Fey, on the edges of their world. I have no idea how he managed to hide his work for my Court, but it seems he did. This is where you will go, for many grudges stand between my Mother and the Elders, enough that they will taste our bond and hunt me down should I ever enter their realm. As long as you keep your head low and pretend to be something mortal the trickeries of the Feywild will be manageable for one of your skill.

Moros the Hunter is still in full view of our Masters, but unfortunately not in easy reach. He hunts by the borderlands of the Abyss and the plains of death, in the territory of the Lord Orcus. I do not wish to visit there and neither should you, so I hope that Sorin's abilities will be enough to simply call him to us once the rest of us is gathered again, avoiding that particular trip altogether."

With a barely perceptible smile on thin lips Alaric thought about it. Places dangerous enough to get even the likes of them killed, only to find murderers who may or may not desire to return to service of long-absent masters and then onwards to slay foes that might be dangerous enough that the Court of Winter would prefer not to fight them.

It looked like a good deal of fun and work at once lay ahead.

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Leafdancer is known from a prevous Omake.
Internet-cookies if you can guess Alaric's last name from his looks.

Part II
 
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I get why he did it, but... :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

At this point we need to have Imperium wide instruction on "When not to run your mouth."

This is getting ridiculous. Even the Archons are getting in on the action.
In the Archon's defense he is an angel. Telling folks how they fucked up is kind of his job.

Can't repent if you don't know your sin and all that.

Guess he wanted the bastard to do the hemp fandango with a clean conscience.
 
I get why he did it, but... :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

At this point we need to have Imperium wide instruction on "When not to run your mouth."

This is getting ridiculous. Even the Archons are getting in on the action.
I can see why an Archon, especially one who has Fallen, would be inclined to share this information with Trant. After all, the political ramifications aren't immediately apparent.

That said, a general warning to mind their tongues wouldn't be a bad message to pass through Imperial forces.
 
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