@Crake proposed itinary:

General: Topics will be discussed in the Curia Princeps, but the Curia Vox can listen in and request speaking time at any point. They also know what will be talked about and can get petitions ready for the topics.
Day 1: General meet and greet with the lords and explaining to them how we want the show to run. Remaining succession issues will be hashed out, Baratheon land readjustments reversed, people formally promoted and governors appointed.
Day 2: Confirmation hearings of the Ministers and High Court judges. List is carefully curated beforehand so that all options are fine for us.
Day 3: A fair and unbiased trial for Tywin and the other Lannisters, followed by some public executions.
Day 4: Confirmation hearings for the Marshalls. Military reform. Sorting out which fiefs we will keep and what lands we will buy for erecting military bases all over the Imperium.
Day 5: Princeps Sanguis pick the succession laws for their titles and we go on with the bribery steps. City charters are handed out and still vacant titles handed out. Princeps Suffragium have to officially putt heir election systems in writing too, so that Imperial courts can check that things go right there. No stipulation on how those laws will look, just that they have to be written down.
Day 6: Non-public sessions about security concerns of the realm (officially a day off). Heaven is fucked and so is the wider universe. (The people here have the funds and ability to get this information on their own, so it's pointless to try and hide it.)
Day 7: Day off.
Day 8: Infrastructure, economic development and especially prospecting for and exploiting rare ressources for the war effort. Which war? All of them. Also more Scholarium branches and general development goals.
Day 9: Talk about the establishment of the first courts, taxation offices and other imperial infrastructure in Westeros. What has already been achieved, where are the problems and what needs to be done. Happy blaming each other for stupid shit.
Day 10: Talk about the organization of Voice elections in Westeros. This will take time.
Day 11: Overflow day in case any other topic overruns and we need to reschedule. Otherwise, Petitions to the crown.
Day 12: Petitions to the crown.
Day 13: Closing feast. Announcement of the wedding date. You may now go home if you want, as the Curia will not meet in full until necessary again. Or you can stick around and do stuff here. Politics is happening in SD, not the pile of rocks where you keep your stuff.
 
Would we want to have any cross membership here, for lack of a better term? For example, Uraka serving as Representative of the Imperial Bank while also being Minister of Taxation, Teana serving as High Headmistress of the Scholarium and Minister of Magic, Malarys as First of the High Court and Minister of Justice, etc.

Of course these don't need to be paired together and I'm sure there are plenty of reasons to keep them separate, but some of them do seem like they would go hand in hand with one another.
No double appointments. Those offices are split for a good reason.

The IB representative is tasked with ensuring the overall vitality of the monetary system. Cashflow needs to be kept steady. Inflations has to be managed. Stuff like that.
The Minister of Taxation only cares about the state collecting taxes from everyone, which is in of itself a monumental task, given the size of the Imperium.
Wholly different concerns.

Same for the Minister of Magic and the Excelsus Praeceptor.
Teana will have to manage the Scholarium system, keep the branches in line, represent the interests of mages and overall administer all that stuff.
The Minister of Magic on the other hand has to keep track of what magic does in the wild, needs to make sure that the Scholarium branches are doing their appointed jobs in the areas covered, interface with the Inquisition about magical threats and so on and so forth.
One takes care of the mage system working, the other keeps track of how it works upon the realm.

And those are all fuckhuge tasks.
Malarys likewise can't run the penultimate court of law for 1.5 continents and run the law enforcement and penitentiary system for the same area.

In fact, I'm of the strong opinion that neither Malarys nor Garin should have any real time for adventures and random stuff in the boonies. They run giant government departments. Those are full time jobs, not fancy words to put on your business card.
 
So most of their incoming XP from now on will be from overcoming administrative and governmental hurdles?

Edit: Or having the occasional combat action that only lasts briefly, I guess.
I'd welcome it if they would focus on fighting the CR 20 Paperwork Golem more often at least.

I mean, short combat actions that take a day or two are no big deal, but stuff like going to the City of Brass for a few months? Way past the pale.

I'd keep them actionless unless specifically requested for murdering something.
 
I like @Azel's proposal for one primary reason above all the other things I outlined:

The current structureless version of our court is boring as fuck and also it pulls me out of the narrative when characters are reused as PoV for things, but equally so when some no name rando gets an interlude to present something which has some kind of bearing on the realm at large.

Giving some actual structure and stakes to the factions in our government appeals to me on an OOC level since it's not as groan inducing to my 4X streak.
 
Fixed declination and switched a few titles, now that I was not doing latin at 2 AM.

Symvoúlio ton Kyrion
Kyrioi dioti AimaLord by BloodKyrioi dioti PsifosLord by VoteKyrioi dioti DiatagmaLord by DecreeKyrioi dioti AxiomaLord by OfficeKyrioi dioti ThiteiaLord by Military ServiceKyrioi dioti KrisiLord by JudgementKyrioi dioti MageiaLord by MagicEidikos KyrioiSpecial Lords
Curia PrincipiumMember: Princeps
Princeps SanguineFirst by BloodPrinceps SuffragioFirst by VotePrinceps EdictoFirst by DecreePrinceps OfficioFirst by OfficePrinceps MilitiaFirst by Military ServicePrinceps IureFirst by LawPrinceps ArteFirst by The ArtPeculiari PrincepsSpecial First
Duchy of Bear IsleMormontRepublic of BraavosElected Sealord (King)Governorship of SkagosAppointedCensorAlinorLeader of the Palace Guard / Princeps PraetoriSandor CleganeFirst of the High Court of Law / Princeps Excelso IudicioMalarysHigh Headmisstress / Excelsus PraeceptorTeanaGrand MaesterMarwyn
Duchy of Last RiverUmberAndalosvote held by BraavosGovernorship of Stony ShoreAppointedMinistry of AdministrationAppointedArmy MarshallAppointedHigh Judge / Excelsus IudexAppointedHeadmaster of Tyrosh???Steward of the Imperial LandsMonford Valerion
Duchy of the DreadlandsBoltonPentosvote held by PentosGovernorship of the Verdant ValesAppointedMinistry of TaxationAppointedArmy MarshallAppointedHigh Judge / Excelsus IudexAppointedHeadmaster of Lys???Lord Commander of the Nights WatchJeor Mormont
Duchy of the WinderlandsStarkTriumvirate of LorathElected TriumvirateGovernorship of the Golden MountainsAppointedMinistry of PropagandaAppointedArmy MarshallAppointedHigh Judge / Excelsus IudexAppointedHeadmaster of Pentos???Representative of the Iron BankLady Uraka
Duchy of the WhitelandsManderlyRepublic of MyrBicameral (House of Commons, House of Lords)Governorship of the MidlandsAppointedMinistry of TradeAppointedArmy MarshallAppointedHigh Judge / Excelsus IudexAppointedHeadmaster of Braavos???
Duchy of the NeckReedArchontia of Valysarvote held by VolantisGovernorship of the Northern CrownlandsAppointedMinistry of WarAppointedArmy MarshallAppointedPrinceps InquisitorGarinHeadmaster of Mantarys???
Duchy of RunestoneRoyceArchontia of Selhorysvote held by VolantisGovernorship of the HeartlandsAppointedMinistry of Public WorksAppointedAir Force MarshallAppointedLord InquisitorBloodravenHeadmaster of Tolos???
Duchy of the Iron IslesAsha GreyjoyArchontia of Volantiselected (on paper) as Hegemon of VolantisGovernorship of the Southern CrownlandsAppointedMinistry of EducationAppointedLeader of the Mysterium???
Duchy of the ForksWalder Prime of House FreyArchontia of SaathelectedGovernorship of Red LakeAppointedMinistry of MagicAppointedFirst Glassblower? (Myr)???
Duchy of Greater DarryDarryGovernorship of the MarchesAppointedMinistry of DiplomacyAppointedFirst Fleshsmith / Excelsus Viscera Plastes (Gogossos)???
Duchy of GreyportTheon GreyjoyGovernorship of Ghoyan DroheAppointedMinistry of JusticeAppointed
Duchy of the MandervaleTyrellGovernorship of the Disputed LandsAppointedMinistry of HealthAppointed
Duchy of OldtownHightowerGovernorship of MantarysAppointed
Duchy of the ArborRedwyneGovernorship of TolosAppointed
Duchy of the StormlandsBaratheon
Duchy of Western Dornevote held by Eastern Dorne
Duchy of Eastern DorneMartell as Prince of Dorne (King)
Duchy of the RhoyneSandviper
Duchy of OmberBlack Walder Frey
Duchy of SalloshForgot His Name
Total
20​
Total
9​
Total
14​
Total
12​
Total
7​
Total
7​
Total
10​
Total
4​
Grand Total
83​
Symvoúlio ton Foni
Curia VociumMember: Vox Curiae
SourceNumber of VoicesNotes
43 Duchy Level Titles
129​
5 Imperial Counties
15​
Dragonstone, Tarth, Tyrosh, Stepstones, Lys
5 Minorities
5​
Minotaurs, Children of the Forest, Giants, Triton, Outsiders (Archons)
Total
149​
 
Nice to see the new curia, I'll have that and the other Imperial institutions on the front page soon so I can remember to use them more often. It will be good to have the court as more than background noise, though we will probably have some teething issues while I get my footing writing form a more top down perspective.
 
Nice to see the new curia, I'll have that and the other Imperial institutions on the front page soon so I can remember to use them more often. It will be good to have the court as more than background noise, though we will probably have some teething issues while I get my footing writing form a more top down perspective.
You should probably wait until we formally voted on that and the accompanying reforms.
 
Vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Mar 18, 2021 at 5:48 AM, finished with 80 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] Plan Post War Order - Riverlands
    -[X] Mallister
    --[X] Tell him that you recognize the duress under which he was put when his Lannister guests enslaved him. // Yes, you could not surrender. No, you did not have to let Tywins little slaver ants in. We will forget the latter part if you give us no reason to remember it.
    --[X] You trust that he will be a leal bannerman of Duke Walder Frey. // Postwar order as planned.
    -[X] Piper: No penalty.
    -[X] Vance of Atranta: No penalty.
    -[X] Deddings: No penalty.
    -[X] Vance of Wayfarer's Rest [Attained]: Fiefs seized and will become the seat of the Imperial administration of the Governorship of the Midlands.
    [X] A(za)zel, the scapegoat for the sins of our poor planning
 
@Azel, anything about tacticool combat so far?
Mind, am not pushing. You said you were planning, I am questioning appropriately.
Frankly I don't tuink I care much for smaller-size battles the way you seem to have implied to.

Also, what about Aquatic Defense Groups?
The stats of theirs should reflect them being pretty much non-retreating (since they are a bunch of (un)living meatshields to stop the advance of Illithid forces for long enough to start evacuating people), and high on Psychic defense, but am not sure as to the rest of them values.


Also also, whenever a Legion's at a legion-specific static fortification they should get a very minor Attachment that is a bunch of plant-crearures and some Soulforged, we've paid for those at every Legion-training location.
Just some ablative meatshields I suppose.
(I don't think it'll ever come of relevance, but I cant well let it go since we've actually paid for those forces, meager as the price was)
Legion Training Centre Defenses – 27.940 IM each --

1x Black Champions - 5,360 IM
10x Black Knights (Mobility Upgrade) - 5.600 IM total
20x Spitter Swarms - 1,200 IM total
2x Plant-Imbued Shadow Creature Cats (w/+4 Racial HD) (CR 6, 6 HD) - 2,400 IM total
2x Verdant Wolves - (CR 6, 6 HD) - 2,400 IM total
10x Verdant Kingfisher (CR 2, 2 HD) - 3,000 IM total
1x Advanced Sorcerer Creature Snapdragon Leshy (w/+8 Racial HD) (CR 10, 14 HD) - 4,800 IM
1x Verdant Ravens [Advanced Plant-Imbued Giant Raven (w/+4 Racial HD)] (CR 6, 6 HD) - 1,200 IM total
3x Vigilant Briars (CR 4) - 1,980 IM total
(Stationary) Aquatic Defense Group705,360 IM each --

1x Plant-Imbued Coral Drake (CR 10, 11 HD)
30x Advanced Plant-Imbued Giant Hippocampus (CR 6, 2 HD)
3x Advanced Plant-Imbued Orca (CR 8, 9 HD)
1x Amphibious Quickling Vinespawn (CR10, 12 HD)
21x Advanced Plant-Imbued Gigantean Manta Rays (CR 6, 12 HD)
19x Plantblood Bladeleaf Sea Cats (CR 6, 6 HD)
23x Advanced Druid Creature Seaweed Leshy (CR 6, 4 HD)
22x Plant-Imbued Electric Eel (w/+6 Racial HD) (CR 6, 10 HD)
20x Advanced Aquatic Snapdragon Leshy (w/+4 Racial HD) (CR 6, 10 HD)
18x Advanced Kelpie (w/+4 Racial HD) (CR 6; 9 HD)
------------------------
81x Hunter Jellyfish - 1,800 IM each = 145,800 IM
81x Black Knights with Mobility Upgrade - 560 IM each = 45,360 IM
72x Necrotic Molds - 450 IM each = 32,400 IM
9x Blood Clot Molds - 4,800 IM each = 43,200 IM
9x Advanced Dire Hunter Jellyfish (CR 10) - 4,800 IM each = 43,200 IM
8x Black Brutes - 4,700 IM each = 37,600 IM
8x Necrotic Molds (Black Brute controlling units) - 450 IM each = 3,600 IM
4x Vigilant Kelps (CR 4, 6 HD) - 660 IM each = 2,640 IM
1x Black Champion - 5,360 IM
1x Greater Bloodclot Mold (Black Champion controlling unit) - 28,800 IM
50x Large Water Elementals - 45,000 IM total
10x Greater Water Elementals (CR 9) - 36,000 IM total
5x Elder Water Elementals (CR 11) - 36,000 IM total[/SPOILER]
 
@Azel, anything about tacticool combat so far?
Mind, am not pushing. You said you were planning, I am questioning appropriately.
Frankly I don't tuink I care much for smaller-size battles the way you seem to have implied to.

Also, what about Aquatic Defense Groups?
The stats of theirs should reflect them being pretty much non-retreating (since they are a bunch of (un)living meatshields to stop the advance of Illithid forces for long enough to start evacuating people), and high on Psychic defense, but am not sure as to the rest of them values.


Also also, whenever a Legion's at a legion-specific static fortification they should get a very minor Attachment that is a bunch of plant-crearures and some Soulforged, we've paid for those at every Legion-training location.
Just some ablative meatshields I suppose.
(I don't think it'll ever come of relevance, but I cant well let it go since we've actually paid for those forces, meager as the price was)
I'm currently working on other stuff, but these souls will be burned when they arrive.
 
Also also, whenever a Legion's at a legion-specific static fortification they should get a very minor Attachment that is a bunch of plant-crearures and some Soulforged, we've paid for those at every Legion-training location.
Just some ablative meatshields I suppose.
(I don't think it'll ever come of relevance, but I cant well let it go since we've actually paid for those forces, meager as the price was)
Beyond the level of abstraction in combat.

More likely this will be reflected by whatever models province defensive attributes.
 
Beyond the level of abstraction in combat.

More likely this will be reflected by whatever models province defensive attributes.
Fair enough, tho' the groups are actually x5 what I linked as the base for the locations, they probably still too smol to matter combat-wise.

Long as they are factored in in some manner before I forever erase them of all the lists of mine, am happy.
 
I'm way off from the point where I can start transferring actual data into a live system.

This is all in a Pre-Alpha state and I'm not going to transfer any serious data until we are in Beta.
 
Vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Mar 18, 2021 at 5:48 AM, finished with 80 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] Plan Post War Order - Riverlands
    -[X] Mallister
    --[X] Tell him that you recognize the duress under which he was put when his Lannister guests enslaved him. // Yes, you could not surrender. No, you did not have to let Tywins little slaver ants in. We will forget the latter part if you give us no reason to remember it.
    --[X] You trust that he will be a leal bannerman of Duke Walder Frey. // Postwar order as planned.
    -[X] Piper: No penalty.
    -[X] Vance of Atranta: No penalty.
    -[X] Deddings: No penalty.
    -[X] Vance of Wayfarer's Rest [Attained]: Fiefs seized and will become the seat of the Imperial administration of the Governorship of the Midlands.
    [X] A(za)zel, the scapegoat for the sins of our poor planning
 
Part MMMDCCXIX: Pledges New and Old
Pledges New and Old

First Day of the Fifth Month 294 AC

The Lords o the Riverlands were allowed to withdraw without any loss of face or land, though in the case of Lord Mallister you did take care to specifically raise the fact that he would be a vassal of the Twins not Riverrun and that you hope he would be a loyal one, The fact that he had been under no obligation to open the door to Lannister agents bearing cursed arms and armor was left unspoken, though certainly not throughout. By contrast you do not raise the matter of Wayfarer's rest at all, the children would return either to their mother's kin or to Atranta while the lands would fall under Imperial administration, the seat of the Governorship of the Midlands.

Next come the Stormlords, stiff-necked and grim as they step into the hall that had so recently been host to 'their' king and his grand feasts. Eyes dart from banner to banner and from face to face, trying to do more than establish the pecking order of the new court you would judge. According to reports from the airforce many of them are weary of devils and strange gods as much as they are of shifting customs and imperial displeasure. Well devils they will surely find. You have long since stopped asking the Erinyes to hide their wings in public given their leal service to the throne.

And so they bow and offer up the vows asked of them, Lords Penrose and Mertyns, Cefferen, Caron and Morrigen. Lord Peasebury of Podfield actually seems enthusiastic in his vows and not just for the eyes of the court, but then a man who has just had his free will stripped from him during the last reign is less likely to look to the one who helped save him as a tyrant.

Selmy... fuck Selmy is going to be a problem, you can tell that as soon as you see him march up to the throne. His step is defiant, even if it is almost the defiance of a man waking to the gallows. One might almost admire the sheer iron balls of the man, to be able to do that after he confunted Amrelath of all people. A pity his head appears to be iron all the way through.

As he rises from his knees Artstan Selmy asks a question many of his peers had done, though unlike them you doubt he has flattery on the mind. "Your Majesty may I address the throne and the court?"

"I foresee a headache, and being a seer and all I am rarely wrong," Dany sends as she looks the man up and down with a thoroughly draconic expression, the sort that were he the kind of man to look at the faces of children might have warned him that he was about to regret his next words.

"Granted," you reply, keeping your tone carefully neutral.

"It has come to my attention that you would see the Order of the Kingsguard disbanded and replaced with those possessed of... more arcane skills. I am not such a fool as to think a ruler does not need protection against such perils as the age brings, but I beseech you Your majesty do not cast off the Order that has served Your House well since the days of Aegon."

One cannot fault the man's passion anymore than his courage, he can hold the eyes of the chamber, tough you cannot help but wonder how many of them are doing so from morbid curiosity as to his fate. Stannis at least is watching you carefully... Is that a glimmer of sympathy in his eye at seeing you faced with his banneman's foibles?

"I do not ask that you keep one knight or another in the guard, that is the prerogative of the sovereign and given the sad history of the last twelve years it might even be counted necessary." A sigh escapes his lips ruffling his mustache like grass withered grey in some forlorn wind. "I ask only that you keep knights bold and honorable at your side and not replace all of them with.. other sorts. witness the great deeds of young Ser Royce or Ser Richard Lonmouth whose valor and skill at arms has been long known among stormlords."

It is perhaps fortunate for Artstand Semy that of all the skills Ser Ricahrd had honed and all the enchantments he now wields none of them can actually make his glare skewer a man where she stands.

Alas you do not have the luxury of dismissing the words out of hand as self-serving or foolish, in sppeaking of this in this place and this hour he has raised the stakes of a symbolic battle, who shall be closest to the throne in times of strife 'knights bold and true' or those said knights do not trust in the slightest.

What do you reply?

[] The Kingsguard was an antiquated institution working off flawed principles from the first, conflicting vows that could only lead to tragedy. Leaving aside the matter of the last few years for a moment who here can judge it good that a man history recalls as 'the Kingmaker' once donned a white cloak

[] Heavy are the oaths of knight but neither more nor less worthy than those of others who have sworn themselves to you, you are not king of the Seven Kingdoms, but Imperator and from your Praetorian Guard which has proven itself to finely in both King's landing and Casterly Rock none shall be excluded for lacking a title used only in Westeros and not even all of it

[] Write in


OOC: Part of moving to a more institutional framework is setting the tone of your interactions with the old power systems in a courtly context. What you say here and now will be one of the foundational arguments whenever similar conflicts arrive. I'm just using Selmy here as vector because he is the only one brave and foolish enough to say what many are thinking. Not yes edited.
 
So the man isn't doing this for himself obviously he just believes in the concept that he dedicated most of the entirety of his life to. So can we answer this without being pointlessly hateful, petty, and/or mocking.

Keep in mind Selmy's behavior doesn't make sense IC, but OC it's just another one of Martin's short comings as a writer.
 
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I was going to suggest "I'm a Dragon, why do I need bodyguards?" but the author's note shows that that would be a poor angle to pick.

So the man isn't doing this for himself obviously he just believes in the concept that he dedicated most of the entirety of his life to. So can we answer this without being pointlessly hateful, petty, and/or mocking.
This is a different Selmy. He's related to Barristan, but it's not the same man.

[X] Heavy are the oaths of knight but neither more nor less worthy than those of others who have sworn themselves to you, you are not king of the Seven Kingdoms, but Imperator and from your Praetorian Guard which has proven itself to finely in both King's landing and Casterly Rock none shall be excluded for lacking a title used only in Westeros and not even all of it
 
[] Heavy are the oaths of knight but neither more nor less worthy than those of others who have sworn themselves to you, you are not king of the Seven Kingdoms, but Imperator and from your Praetorian Guard which has proven itself to finely in both King's landing and Casterly Rock none shall be excluded for lacking a title used only in Westeros and not even all of it
@DragonParadox, what would be the immediate result of this? It reads like former Kingsguard members being welcomed into the Praetorian Guard.
 
So the man isn't doing this for himself obviously he just believes in the concept that he dedicated most of the entirety of his life to. So can we answer this without being pointlessly hateful, petty, and/or mocking.
You can certainly paint it in that lens, but on the flipside of that coin what he's basically doing is saying "the order I trained and raised is still valuable and therefore my skills will still echo throughout the realm."

He's basically trying to take the sting out of us telling him to fuck off in no uncertain, and to be quite honest rather blase, terms.
 
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