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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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mmgaballah said:
@DragonParadox would it be possible to restore the metallic dragons by having the old gods point us to there remains and either casting resurrection to raise them back from the dead or miracle to restore their bodies then duping them in the flesh forge to create new metallic dragon hatchlings ?
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Playing around with metallic dragons opens a can of worms that the thread has largely decided to leave on the shelf for years now. I wouldn't get my hopes up about getting a quorum to start that particular project.

We have enough dragon power through other sources anyway, so it's not a real loss.
 
Azel said:
We Gated a Legion near Crakehall, but the closest force from Kayce is the few Praetori we have in Casterly Rock.
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Ahhh, I thought we had the legion in Lannisport. Got it, thanks for the explanation.
Then here's another question. We have a crowd of high-level characters in Casterly Rock. Perhaps it makes sense to send them to important lords?
 
mmgaballah said:
I thought the whole gods of the land thing would mean they would know were the remains are buried ?
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There were never Metallic Dragons in Westeros, and Planetos in general may have never had them.

Even if there were, they've been dead for thousands of years. Not only is that beyond the reach of magic, their souls are definitely no longer available.

And we simply don't want them, so we're not going to try to restore them.
 
@Azel
Attachment_IDUnit_SetsSpeed_LandSpeed_AirSpeed_TunnelingSpeed_Water_SurfaceSpeed_Water_DiveDeep_Strike_RangeManeuverabilityReadinessReadiness_RegainOrganizationOrganization_RegainAttack_PhysicalAttack_DeathAttack_PsychicAttack_Long_RangeDefense_PhysicalDefense_DeathDefense_PsychicDefense_Long_Range
efreeti_flameefreeti000000010-1-10041200,10,10,10,1
efreeti_wallefreeti000000100-110010100,20,20,30,2

The other two big Efreeti mage-orders:

Flame of Iblis:
Conjurers and Evokers, come to the battlefield with a bunch of controlled Fiends and a willingness to throw everything from light fog to Hellfire on the battlefield. But unlike the other two orders a bunch of pyromanic, egomanic Sorcerers here to burn shit in the name of their god is not overly helpful with the organisation.

Order of the Wall:
Abjurers and Diviners, with their divinatory guidance the whole army moves smoother, failures in maneuver or organisation are found out and corrected before they happen, meanwhile a small army of their lesser mages and apprentices runs rituals of protection for the army they are attached to.
If a system for such things were in place, they'd give a bonus for fortifying a place as well, but for now lets avoid making those tables even more complicated.
 
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Sapphon said:
Ahhh, I thought we had the legion in Lannisport. Got it, thanks for the explanation.
Then here's another question. We have a crowd of high-level characters in Casterly Rock. Perhaps it makes sense to send them to important lords?
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Viserys had only two stops so far, which was Kings Landing and Casterly Rock. If we go personally to other lords now, people will wonder why and I don't see much point to it.

It makes more sense to stay in Casterly Rock to coordinate everything.
 
DragonParadox said:
It has been a long, long time since the metalics died and there would have been no reason to pass down such things from voice to fading voice down the long ages. Unless a dragon was their ally or their foe the Old Gods simply did not care enough to remember.
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Makes me wonder if by some disaster we were gone how long the Old Gods would remember us for.
 
Azel said:
Viserys had only two stops so far, which was Kings Landing and Casterly Rock. If we go personally to other lords now, people will wonder why and I don't see much point to it.

It makes more sense to stay in Casterly Rock to coordinate everything.
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Actually, I was referring to our companions, vassals, and powerful characters without a certain status: Daenerys, Ser Richard, Lya, Garin, Maelor, Zherys, Benerro and Melisandre.
They're all in Casterly Rock, and the only thing they can be useful for, other than swearing in the lords, is to be part of a troubling group ready to move out where there's trouble.
 
Artemis1992 said:
@Azel
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efreeti_flameefreeti000000010-1-10041200,10,10,10,1
efreeti_wallefreeti000000100-110010100,20,20,30,2

The other two big Efreeti mage-orders:

Flame of Iblis:
Conjurers and Evokers, come to the battlefield with a bunch of controlled Fiends and a willingness to throw everything from light fog to Hellfire on the battlefield. But unlike the other two orders a bunch of pyromanic, egomanic Sorcerers here to burn shit in the name of their god is not overly helpful with the organisation.

Order of the Wall:
Abjurers and Diviners, with their divinatory guidance the whole army moves smoother, failures in maneuver or organisation are found out and corrected before they happen, meanwhile a small army of their lesser mages and apprentices runs rituals of protection for the army they are attached to.
If a system for such things were in place, they'd give a bonus for fortifying a place as well, but for now lets avoid making those tables even more complicated.
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A bit much maybe...
1 vs 1legion_infantrylegion_infantry with legion_imperial_steellegion_infantry with legion_casterslegion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casterslegion_infantry with legion_warstriderslegion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_warstriderslegion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_warstriderslegion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_warstriderslegion_cavalrylegion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steellegion_cavalry with legion_casterslegion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casterslegion_dothrakiimperial_wyvernimperial_manticoreundead_basicundead_armedundead_cavalryundead_etherealundead_beastundead_heavysea_skumsea_sahuaginillithid_slave_driversdevil_lesserdevil_basicdevil_greaterefreeti_mamelukeefreeti_eternal_guardefreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_brassshapersefreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_flameefreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_brassshapers, efreeti_flameefreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_wallefreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_brassshapers, efreeti_wallefreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_flame, efreeti_wallefreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_brassshapers, efreeti_flame, efreeti_wallplane_of_fire_giantsplane_of_fire_salamandersplanes_geniekinTotal
legion_infantry0-0,14-0,25-0,5-1-1-1-1-0,07-0,14-0,33-0,50,11-1-11-0,51-0,25-0,12-110,14-1-0,08-0,33-10,17-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,2-0,14-0,5-17,63
legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel0,140-0,2-0,25-0,17-0,5-1-10,1-0,09-0,2-0,250,17-1-11-0,251-0,250,33-110,33-10,11-0,25-10,25-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,17-0,11-0,17-13,43
legion_infantry with legion_casters0,250,20-0,140,10,09-0,25-0,50,250,17-0,1-0,171-0,5-11-0,171-0,171-111-0,331-0,17-0,331-0,25-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,080,17-0,08-3,01
legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters0,50,250,1400,140,11-0,2-0,20,50,20,11-11-0,25-11-0,141-0,121-0,511-0,21-0,14-0,251-0,2-1-1-1-1-1-1-10,090,20,1-0,86
legion_infantry with legion_warstriders10,17-0,1-0,140-0,12-0,2-0,2510,14-0,12-0,171-0,2-0,331-0,141-0,141-0,511-0,21-0,17-0,251-0,2-1-1-1-0,5-1-1-1-0,10,14-0,10,52
legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_warstriders10,5-0,09-0,110,120-0,2-0,2510,33-0,1-0,121-0,17-0,171-0,11-0,121-0,3311-0,21-0,12-0,21-0,2-1-1-1-0,5-1-1-1-0,090,17-0,081,97
legion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_warstriders110,250,20,20,20-0,12110,20,21-0,11-0,091-0,08111-0,2511-0,141-0,08-0,21-0,17-0,5-0,33-1-0,25-1-1-10,1710,179,27
legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_warstriders110,50,20,250,250,120110,330,21-0,1-0,0810,14111-0,2511110,12-0,171-0,14-0,33-0,33-1-0,25-1-1-1110,212,66
legion_cavalry0,07-0,1-0,25-0,5-1-1-1-10-0,14-0,33-0,50,14-1-11-0,51-0,250,25-110,17-1-0,07-0,33-10,2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,17-0,14-0,5-16,95
legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel0,140,09-0,17-0,2-0,14-0,33-1-10,140-0,2-0,250,17-1-11-0,21-0,250,33-110,5-10,12-0,2-10,25-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,17-0,09-0,17-12,63
legion_cavalry with legion_casters0,330,20,1-0,110,120,1-0,2-0,330,330,20-0,141-0,5-11-0,141-0,171-111-0,331-0,14-0,331-0,25-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,080,170,09-2,08
legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters0,50,250,1710,170,12-0,2-0,20,50,250,1401-0,25-11-0,111-0,121-0,511-0,21-0,11-0,251-0,2-1-1-1-1-1-1-110,20,122,28
legion_dothraki-0,11-0,17-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,14-0,17-1-10-1-11-10,33-0,33-0,2-110,17-1-0,11-1-10,12-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,33-0,17-1-23,11
imperial_wyvern110,50,250,20,170,110,1110,50,2510-0,0110,21110,05110,1110,250,0410,060,020,04-0,090,02-0,1-0,07-1110,216,8
imperial_manticore11110,330,170,090,08111110,01010,51110,03110,08110,0210,0610,03-0,030,02-0,04-0,03-0,14110,522,68
undead_basic-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-10-1-0,2-1-0,5-10,33-0,2-10,1-1-1-0,25-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-32,72
undead_armed0,50,250,170,140,140,10,08-0,140,50,20,140,111-0,2-0,51010,141-0,33110,0710,06-0,111-0,12-1-1-1-0,5-1-1-10,120,20,113,13
undead_cavalry-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,33-1-10,2-10-1-0,33-10,25-0,17-1-0,14-1-1-0,2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-31,72
undead_ethereal0,250,250,170,120,140,12-1-10,250,250,170,120,33-1-11-0,1410-0,12-111-110,11-10,5-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-10,20,250,11-6,92
undead_beast0,12-0,33-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,25-0,33-1-10,2-1-10,5-10,330,120-110,33-10,2-1-10,33-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,33-1-23,11
undead_heavy1110,50,50,330,250,251110,51-0,05-0,0310,331110110,2110,0910,14-0,080,08-0,2-0,06-0,2-0,17-1110,519,88
sea_skum-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,33-1-0,25-1-1-10-0,5-1-0,5-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-35,58
sea_sahuagin-0,14-0,33-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,17-0,5-1-1-0,17-1-10,2-10,17-1-0,33-10,50-1-0,17-1-1-0,12-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,5-1-27,56
illithid_slave_drivers110,330,20,20,20,14-1110,330,21-0,11-0,081-0,07111-0,211010,14-0,121-0,09-0,33-0,25-1-0,2-1-1-1110,1710,46
devil_lesser0,08-0,11-1-1-1-1-1-10,07-0,12-1-10,11-1-1-0,1-10,14-1-0,2-10,50,17-10-1-10,14-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-10,11-1-25,21
devil_basic0,330,250,170,140,170,120,08-0,120,330,20,140,111-0,25-11-0,061-0,111-111-0,1410-0,141-0,11-1-1-1-1-1-1-10,120,20,120,55
devil_greater110,330,250,250,20,20,17110,330,251-0,04-0,0210,11111-0,09110,1210,14010,12-0,17-0,12-1-0,09-1-1-10,510,212,64
efreeti_mameluke-0,17-0,25-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,2-0,25-1-1-0,12-1-10,25-10,2-0,5-0,33-110,12-1-0,14-1-10-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,5-0,25-1-25,14
efreeti_eternal_guard110,250,20,20,20,170,14110,250,21-0,06-0,0610,12111-0,14110,0910,11-0,1210-0,33-0,25-1-0,17-1-1-10,3310,1711,3
efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_brassshapers1111110,50,3311111-0,02-1111110,08110,33110,1710,3300,14-0,170,08-0,17-0,14-0,511123,96
efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_flame1111110,330,3311111-0,04-0,0311111-0,08110,25110,1210,25-0,140-0,25-0,08-0,25-0,25-111123,16
efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_brassshapers, efreeti_flame11111111111110,090,03111110,2111111110,170,2500,2-0,11-0,08-0,211129,55
efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_wall11110,50,50,250,2511111-0,02-0,0210,51110,06110,2110,0910,17-0,080,08-0,20-0,2-0,14-1110,521,44
efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_brassshapers, efreeti_wall11111111111110,10,04111110,2111111110,170,250,110,200,08-0,0711130,08
efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_flame, efreeti_wall11111111111110,070,03111110,17111111110,140,250,080,14-0,080-0,1411129,66
efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_brassshapers, efreeti_flame, efreeti_wall111111111111110,14111111111111110,510,210,070,14011134,05
plane_of_fire_giants0,20,170,08-0,090,10,09-0,17-10,170,170,08-10,33-1-11-0,121-0,21-111-11-0,12-0,50,5-0,33-1-1-1-1-1-1-100,120,08-6,44
plane_of_fire_salamanders0,140,11-0,17-0,2-0,14-0,17-1-10,140,09-0,17-0,20,17-1-11-0,21-0,250,33-110,5-1-0,11-0,2-10,25-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,120-0,14-12,34
planes_geniekin0,50,170,08-0,10,10,08-0,17-0,20,50,17-0,09-0,121-0,2-0,51-0,111-0,111-0,511-0,171-0,12-0,21-0,17-1-1-1-0,5-1-1-1-0,080,1400,4

5 vs 5legion_infantrylegion_infantry with legion_imperial_steellegion_infantry with legion_casterslegion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casterslegion_infantry with legion_warstriderslegion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_warstriderslegion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_warstriderslegion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_warstriderslegion_cavalrylegion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steellegion_cavalry with legion_casterslegion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casterslegion_dothrakiimperial_wyvernimperial_manticoreundead_basicundead_armedundead_cavalryundead_etherealundead_beastundead_heavysea_skumsea_sahuaginillithid_slave_driversdevil_lesserdevil_basicdevil_greaterefreeti_mamelukeefreeti_eternal_guardefreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_brassshapersefreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_flameefreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_brassshapers, efreeti_flameefreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_wallefreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_brassshapers, efreeti_wallefreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_flame, efreeti_wallefreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_brassshapers, efreeti_flame, efreeti_wallplane_of_fire_giantsplane_of_fire_salamandersplanes_geniekinTotal5 vs 5
legion_infantry0-0,14-0,25-0,5-1-1-1-10,05-0,14-0,33-0,50,12-1-11-0,51-0,250,12-110,17-1-0,07-0,33-10,17-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,2-0,14-0,5-17,22
legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel0,140-0,2-0,25-0,17-0,33-1-10,14-0,08-0,2-0,250,17-1-11-0,21-0,250,25-110,33-10,11-0,2-10,2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,17-0,11-0,2-13,27
legion_infantry with legion_casters0,250,20-0,120,11-0,17-0,25-0,330,250,17-0,11-0,21-0,5-11-0,171-0,171-111-0,251-0,17-0,331-0,25-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,070,170,08-2,86
legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters0,50,250,1200,140,1-0,2-0,20,50,20,12-0,121-0,25-11-0,141-0,121-0,511-0,21-0,14-0,251-0,2-1-1-1-1-1-1-10,090,20,08-0,02
legion_infantry with legion_warstriders10,17-0,11-0,140-0,14-0,2-0,2510,17-0,12-0,171-0,2-0,331-0,141-0,111-0,511-0,21-0,17-0,21-0,2-1-1-1-0,5-1-1-1-0,10,14-0,10,6
legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_warstriders10,330,17-0,10,140-0,2-0,210,25-0,09-0,11-0,17-0,171-0,11-0,111-0,3311-0,21-0,12-0,21-0,2-1-0,5-1-0,33-1-1-1-0,090,2-0,082,8
legion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_warstriders110,250,20,20,20-0,14110,20,21-0,11-0,091-0,07111-0,2511-0,111-0,08-0,171-0,17-0,5-0,33-1-0,25-1-1-10,210,179,35
legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_warstriders110,330,20,250,20,140110,330,21-0,1-0,0810,14111-0,211-0,0710,12-0,171-0,14-0,33-0,33-1-0,2-1-1-1110,211,49
legion_cavalry-0,05-0,14-0,25-0,5-1-1-1-10-0,14-0,25-0,50,14-1-11-0,51-0,250,2-110,17-1-0,06-0,33-10,2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,17-0,14-0,5-17,07
legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel0,140,08-0,17-0,2-0,17-0,25-1-10,140-0,2-0,250,17-1-11-0,21-0,20,33-110,33-10,11-0,2-10,25-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,14-0,09-0,17-12,69
legion_cavalry with legion_casters0,330,20,11-0,120,120,09-0,2-0,330,250,20-0,171-0,5-11-0,141-0,141-111-0,251-0,14-0,251-0,25-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,060,170,07-2,01
legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters0,50,250,20,120,170,1-0,2-0,20,50,250,1701-0,25-11-0,121-0,11-0,511-0,21-0,12-0,21-0,2-1-1-1-1-1-1-10,140,20,110,62
legion_dothraki-0,12-0,17-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,14-0,17-1-10-1-11-10,33-0,33-0,17-110,17-1-0,09-1-10,12-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,33-0,17-1-23,07
imperial_wyvern110,50,250,20,170,110,1110,50,2510-0,0110,21110,05110,110,250,0410,060,020,04-0,090,02-0,1-0,07-1110,216,79
imperial_manticore11110,330,170,090,08111110,01010,51110,03110,08110,0210,06-0,010,03-0,040,02-0,04-0,03-0,14110,521,66
undead_basic-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-10-1-0,2-1-0,5-10,33-0,2-10,1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-33,47
undead_armed0,50,20,170,140,140,10,07-0,140,50,20,140,121-0,2-0,51010,171-0,33110,0810,07-0,111-0,12-1-1-1-0,33-1-1-10,120,20,113,3
undead_cavalry-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,33-1-10,2-10-1-0,25-10,25-0,2-1-0,14-1-1-0,25-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-31,72
undead_ethereal0,250,250,170,120,110,11-1-10,250,20,140,10,33-1-11-0,17100,12-111-110,11-10,5-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-10,170,250,07-6,92
undead_beast-0,12-0,25-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,2-0,33-1-10,17-1-10,5-10,25-0,120-110,33-10,2-1-10,33-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,33-1-23,57
undead_heavy1110,50,50,330,250,21110,51-0,05-0,0310,331110110,2110,0910,14-0,10,08-0,2-0,06-0,2-0,17-1110,519,81
sea_skum-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,33-1-0,25-1-1-10-0,33-1-0,5-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-35,41
sea_sahuagin-0,17-0,33-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,17-0,33-1-1-0,17-1-10,2-10,2-1-0,33-10,330-1-0,17-1-10,08-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,33-1-27,19
illithid_slave_drivers110,250,20,20,20,110,07110,250,21-0,1-0,081-0,08111-0,211010,14-0,111-0,09-0,33-0,25-1-0,2-1-1-1110,1711,35
devil_lesser0,07-0,11-1-1-1-1-1-10,06-0,11-1-10,09-1-1-0,1-10,14-1-0,2-10,50,17-10-1-10,17-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,11-1-25,43
devil_basic0,330,20,170,140,170,120,08-0,120,330,20,140,121-0,25-11-0,071-0,111-111-0,1410-0,141-0,11-1-1-1-1-1-1-10,120,20,120,5
devil_greater110,330,250,20,20,170,17110,250,21-0,04-0,0210,11111-0,09110,1110,14010,11-0,17-0,12-1-0,09-1-1-10,3310,212,24
efreeti_mameluke-0,17-0,2-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,2-0,25-1-1-0,12-1-11-10,25-0,5-0,33-11-0,08-1-0,17-1-10-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,5-0,25-1-24,52
efreeti_eternal_guard110,250,20,20,20,170,14110,250,21-0,06-0,0610,12111-0,14110,0910,11-0,1110-0,33-0,25-1-0,17-1-1-10,2510,1711,23
efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_brassshapers1111110,50,3311111-0,020,01111110,1110,33110,1710,3300,17-0,170,09-0,17-0,14-0,511125,03
efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_flame111110,50,330,3311111-0,04-0,0311111-0,08110,25110,1210,25-0,170-0,25-0,09-0,25-0,2-0,511123,17
efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_brassshapers, efreeti_flame11111111111110,090,04111110,2111111110,170,2500,2-0,11-0,08-0,211129,56
efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_wall11110,50,330,250,211111-0,02-0,0210,331110,06110,2110,0910,17-0,090,09-0,20-0,2-0,14-1110,521,05
efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_brassshapers, efreeti_wall11111111111110,10,04111110,2111111110,170,250,110,200,08-0,0711130,08
efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_flame, efreeti_wall11111111111110,070,03111110,17111111110,140,20,080,14-0,080-0,1411129,61
efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_brassshapers, efreeti_flame, efreeti_wall111111111111110,14111111111111110,50,50,210,070,14011133,55
plane_of_fire_giants0,20,170,07-0,090,10,09-0,2-10,170,140,06-0,140,33-1-11-0,121-0,171-111-11-0,12-0,330,5-0,25-1-1-1-1-1-1-100,140,07-5,38
plane_of_fire_salamanders0,140,11-0,17-0,2-0,14-0,2-1-10,140,09-0,17-0,20,17-1-11-0,21-0,250,33-110,33-10,11-0,2-10,25-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0,140-0,14-12,34
planes_geniekin0,50,2-0,08-0,080,10,08-0,17-0,20,50,17-0,07-0,111-0,2-0,51-0,111-0,071-0,511-0,171-0,12-0,21-0,17-1-1-1-0,5-1-1-1-0,070,1400,37
 
Attachments as viewed by the Legion: "Hey, these actually make us competitive."

Cont.: "Hold up, what's over there?"

Attachments, but everyone else gets them: "Fuck." <---- Mega ultra forever-boned Legions.

In their defense, this really just makes the Efreeti murderbone everyone else that much faster, so not much change in the grand scheme of things.

The Devils consistently spank tho. Both those two need significant air assets to deal with in open battle, or super-elites.
 
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Mind you, what was that Illithid Gate-bug again?

I wanted to give them an attachment that can add deep strike abilities.
 
Azel said:
A bit much maybe...
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Yeah, better lower that attack bonus for Flame.
Say one less Physical and Psychic each?

Crake said:
Attachments as viewed by the Legion: "Hey, these actually make us competitive."

Cont.: "Hold up, what's over there?"

Attachments, but everyone else gets them: "Fuck." <---- Mega ultra forever-boned Legions.

In their defense, this really just makes the Efreeti murderbone everyone else that much faster, so not much change in the grand scheme of things.

The Devils consistently spank tho. Both those two need significant air assets to deal with in open battle, or super-elites.
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Well, the idea is more or less that we should never, ever face the Eternal Guard under equal conditions, because the Efreeti make industrialised warfare on a larger scale than we could work up to, so far.
On the good side, we propably won't have to, the Shaitan cover that for us.
 
Crake said:
In their defense, this really just makes the Efreeti murderbone everyone else that much faster, so not much change in the grand scheme of things.
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Also, if the Sultan actually brings an army of his best troops with attachments from all his mage-orders they are technically in the negative readiness-regeneration, meaning at best that they can't be reinforced in real-time at all and would bleed soldiers that are needed elsewhere.
 
Mind you that the Legion are still our common foot sloggers. Going against the elites of the Brazen Throne would be a job for Praetori with power armour, Warstriders, casters and aerial transports.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Yeah, better lower that attack bonus for Flame.
Say one less Physical and Psychic each?


Well, the idea is more or less that we should never, ever face the Eternal Guard under equal conditions, because the Efreeti make industrialised warfare on a larger scale than we could work up to, so far.
On the good side, we propably won't have to, the Shaitan cover that for us.
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If we have to face something alone, we need to have some sort of response to it.

I guess "throw PCs at the problem" counts, but it's not ideal... when you start getting down to the wire like that, it's probably what your enemy is counting on, and if they're a smart enemy, they engineer that as Lose-Lose.

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Mind you that the Legion are still our common foot sloggers. Going against the elites of the Brazen Throne would be a job for Praetori with power armour, Warstriders, casters and aerial transports.
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Ergo, "the response".
 
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Artemis1992 said:
Also, if the Sultan actually brings an army of his best troops with attachments from all his mage-orders they are technically in the negative readiness-regeneration, meaning at best that they can't be reinforced in real-time at all and would actually bleed soldiers that are needed elsewhere.
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Readiness regen can't sink beneath 1, otherwise things would break down systemwise. I'm still considering how to penalise going below 1 or if I should just make it invalid to do so.
 
Azel said:
Readiness regen can't sink beneath 1, otherwise things would break down systemwise. I'm still considering how to penalise going below 1 or if I should just make it invalid to do so.
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Either would be fine, but realistically I can't see even the Brazen Throne throwing several big mage-attachments at one army, not lightly.

I mean, we don't have a cost-system yet, but if anything goes wrong and they loose an Eternal Guard army with all accompanying mages they'd loose centuries of experience, many millions of Seals worth of equipment and would give all the big mage-orders a reason to be pissed at the Throne.
A loss they literally won't recover from, not while the War of the Spheres is constantly a drain on all ressources.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Either would be fine, but realistically I can't see even the Brazen Throne throwing several big mage-attachments at one army, not lightly.

I mean, we don't have a cost-system yet, but if anything goes wrong and they loose an Eternal Guard army with all accompanying mages they'd loose centuries of experience, many millions of Seals worth of equipment and would give all the big mage-orders a reason to be pissed at the Throne.
A loss they literally won't recover from, not while the War of the Spheres is constantly a drain on all ressources.
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Yeah, the costs will shake things up quite a bit. I mean, our air force is pretty strong, but their big drawback will be how much supplies they will guzzle up, which means they need logistic units and bases to be run effectively.

Compare and contrast the Greater Devil Host, which can run on basically nothing as long as they don't start taking heavy losses.
 
Azel said:
Yeah, the costs will shake things up quite a bit. I mean, our air force is pretty strong, but their big drawback will be how much supplies they will guzzle up, which means they need logistic units and bases to be run effectively.

Compare and contrast the Greater Devil Host, which can run on basically nothing as long as they don't start taking heavy losses.
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I think it might be a case of actually nothing, Outsiders to not need to eat or drink and their equipment will be enchanted against wear and tear. What else is there to deal with logistics wise?
 
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