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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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So does Viserys' beyond morality mythic ability interact with his clerics at all? I assume they don't get any direct benefit out of it, but does it let us do stuff like provide spells to characters of any alignment?
 
BronzeTongue said:
So does Viserys' beyond morality mythic ability interact with his clerics at all? I assume they don't get any direct benefit out of it, but does it let us do stuff like provide spells to characters of any alignment?
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Beyond Morality shouldn't have any effect on anyone other than Viserys.

That said, although Divine Source doesn't implicitly state that there are any Alignment restrictions on worshipers who can gain Divine magic from you, I think it should go without saying that they should be Lawful at a minimum.
 
Goldfish said:
Beyond Morality shouldn't have any effect on anyone other than Viserys.

That said, although Divine Source doesn't implicitly state that there are any Alignment restrictions on worshipers who can gain Divine magic from you, I think it should go without saying that they should be Lawful at a minimum.
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Do they have to be lawful? Obviously if they are choosing the Law/Legislation Domain they should, but our other domains should still be available for non-lawful Imperial divine casters.
 
Goldfish said:
Beyond Morality shouldn't have any effect on anyone other than Viserys.

That said, although Divine Source doesn't implicitly state that there are any Alignment restrictions on worshipers who can gain Divine magic from you, I think it should go without saying that they should be Lawful at a minimum.
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That makes sense, I was just thinking that it could be in play for any of those effects that vary based on the alignment of a cleric's god.
 
silvanknight said:
Do they have to be lawful? Obviously if they are choosing the Law/Legislation Domain they should, but our other domains should still be available for non-lawful Imperial divine casters.
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I would say so, due to the nature of the connection we're crafting with the Imperium itself and its intended link to the law and bureaucracy. True Neutral might be an exception to that, but I can't really see any Chaotic alignments being compatible with Viserys' brand of Divine power. When it comes to Clerics, there is only so much leeway on the various Alignment axes before they are not compatible with their prospective deity.

Viserys and the Imperial 'faith' seems very similar in that vein to Abadar, the Pathfinder deity of Law and Civilization.

 
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@Goldfish, DP is not using the "within one step of Deity alignment"-rule at all. For example, Benerro is an LG high-priest of a LE deity.
Viserys empowered casters should be any alignment, though Law would only be available to Lawful characters as it is specifically an alignment domain.

And with Beyond Morality, there is an even stronger argument that they can be any alignment, since Viserys no longer has one in the first place.
BronzeTongue said:
That makes sense, I was just thinking that it could be in play for any of those effects that vary based on the alignment of a cleric's god.
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Considering that Divine Source explicitly makes Viserys the stand-in for a god and Beyond Morality explicitly rules that your alignment is treated as whatever is most advantageous for you, I'd say that, by extension, a Cleric of Viserys should be able to treat Viserys alignment as whatever is most useful to him at the moment.
 
I expect a Chaotic Cleric of Viserys to lean into the "free the slaves", "be generous" and "change the world" aspects of his myth, while conveniently forgetting the amount of bureaucracy that goes into making those happen.
 
Azel said:
@Goldfish, DP is not using the "within one step of Deity alignment"-rule at all. For example, Benerro is an LG high-priest of a LE deity.
Viserys empowered casters should be any alignment, though Law would only be available to Lawful characters as it is specifically an alignment domain.

And with Beyond Morality, there is an even stronger argument that they can be any alignment, since Viserys no longer has one in the first place.

Considering that Divine Source explicitly makes Viserys the stand-in for a god and Beyond Morality explicitly rules that your alignment is treated as whatever is most advantageous for you, I'd say that, by extension, a Cleric of Viserys should be able to treat Viserys alignment as whatever is most useful to him at the moment.
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I also fully expected Beyond Morality to apply to the people Viserys is able to sponsor as his clerics.
 
Azel said:
@Goldfish, DP is not using the "within one step of Deity alignment"-rule at all. For example, Benerro is an LG high-priest of a LE deity.
Viserys empowered casters should be any alignment, though Law would only be available to Lawful characters as it is specifically an alignment domain.

And with Beyond Morality, there is an even stronger argument that they can be any alignment, since Viserys no longer has one in the first place.

Considering that Divine Source explicitly makes Viserys the stand-in for a god and Beyond Morality explicitly rules that your alignment is treated as whatever is most advantageous for you, I'd say that, by extension, a Cleric of Viserys should be able to treat Viserys alignment as whatever is most useful to him at the moment.
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I won't complain about that.
 
@Goldfish, I might be misremembering this, but didn't Viserys get some ability that allowed him to cast the Mythic version of some spells without having learned them as such?
 
Azel said:
@Goldfish, I might be misremembering this, but didn't Viserys get some ability that allowed him to cast the Mythic version of some spells without having learned them as such?
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Yep. Mythic Blood Wish can do that for spells of a low enough level.

It was another reason I wasn't too enthusiastic about him learning Mythic Telekinesis, since we can duplicate it if needed using Blood Wish.
 
Azel said:
Styling so hard on someone that ten generations of their ancestors will wince from the impact.

If it becomes necessary.
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Viserys doesn't actually need to use Verbal spell components thanks to his permanent Arcane Concordance spell and the Component Freedom Mythic power means he can do without Somatic spell components as well. That basically means he can simply will shit to happen without any external sign and without any additional cost to himself in time or resources. So he could just use 2 Mythic Power to duplicate that Mythic Silence spell.

Now that I think about it, Mythic Silence would actually be a pretty decent combat buff for Viserys to apply to himself ahead of time. Viserys could make his party members immune to it while preventing anyone from casting spells with Verbal components within 20 feet of his position, or 40 feet if we Widened it.
silvanknight said:
It's 3rd Party content but it exists.
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We have used 3PP content before, but I would be against using this one. It's too broad and powerful since we can use most functions of Miracle without any cost.
 
Goldfish said:
Viserys doesn't actually need to use Verbal spell components thanks to his permanent Arcane Concordance spell and the Component Freedom Mythic power means he can do without Somatic spell components as well. That basically means he can simply will shit to happen without any external sign and without any additional cost to himself in time or resources. So he could just use 2 Mythic Power to duplicate that Mythic Silence spell.

Now that I think about it, Mythic Silence would actually be a pretty decent combat buff for Viserys to apply to himself ahead of time. Viserys could make his party members immune to it while preventing anyone from casting spells with Verbal components within 20 feet of his position, or 40 feet if we Widened it.

We have used 3PP content before, but I would be against using this one. It's too broad and powerful since we can use most functions of Miracle without any cost.
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Imagine you spend decades learning how to cast a spell of the fifth circle.

And you see the Imperator in the gardens cause the weather to shine more bright and sunny and THEN the flowers laying dormant to all bloom like the first breath of spring came upon them. All without moving an inch from the bench he sat on, or breathing a word.

 
silvanknight said:
Mysteries that Viserys can (potentially) give access to:

Law/Legislation: Streets (?, pushing it tbh)
Fire: Flame
Knowledge/Espionage: Lore (Canon), Intrigue
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Maybe Dragon? I know DP said we didn't qualify for the Domain, but the Mystery is a bit different and seems more viscerally Draconic, IMO, gaining all sorts of Dragon-related Revelation powers.

Godclaw actually seems quite fitting, too.
 
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