Well. I knew that this was going to happen, but it's still depressing that it did so precisely as anticipated.

I did not intentionally work to save the Kinglsayer if that is what you are implying. I do kind of like him but not enough to fudge the dice. If anything his survival would just make the conquest more complex on a narrative level when I already have a lot of balls in the air.

Edit: Sorry if I'm misreading you but I get jumpy when people say something is 'depressing' in the quest.
 
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I did not intentionally work to save the Kinglsayer if that is what you are implying. I do kind of like him but not enough to fudge the dice. If anything his survival would just make the conquest more complex on a narrative level when I already have a lot of balls in the air.
Don't worry. If he survives here we can just assassinate him elsewhere.
 
I did not intentionally work to save the Kinglsayer if that is what you are implying. I do kind of like him but not enough to fudge the dice. If anything his survival would just make the conquest more complex on a narrative level when I already have a lot of balls in the air.
That's not what I was referring too, but it's suspiciously specific denial. :V

I'm just stumped how hard it apparently is to get Cersei to put her nose into the Small Council with Jaime in tow.


Where is Pycelle right now?
 
Thrice Tangled Threads

Twenty Third Day of the Fourth Month 294 AC

There was a certain satisfaction for any schemer, but especially one adept in weaving thousands upon thousands of threads at once, in finally tying one off, the more definitive the better. So thought Varys who was not Varys, the raven in spider's coat standing in the familiar hall of the Small Council on this, the last Small Council in the history of the Seven Kingdoms.

"The Ironborn must be brought to heel!" Guncer Sunglass blustered and fumed. "My fleet will see to it, I need only word from the regent and we will expunge their heathen stain from the seas of Westeros. If your brother cannot even deal with that nest of de-fanged pirates..."

One could almost pity Kevan Lannister, a loyal man going down with the sinking ship. Alas, for him it was a ship captained by traitors and fools.

"Will you leave King's Landing open to attack because of your damnable pride then!" One did not usually hear the Westerlander lord shout, but then Brynden had set the man's already debatable sanity simmering, for weeks plying him with tales of Lannister treachery against the Faith and the Kingdom. Given a bit more time, he could have probably convinced the idiot to attempt seizing the young 'king' in a coup.

His aim for today, however, was simply to get Cersei Lannister to appear at the meeting with her brother-lover at her side in a show of family unity so that he might remove them both along with the rest of the Council, per the King's command.

Yet when he heard the all too familiar tapping of the would be regent's shoes outside the chamber beside the armored boots of Ser Jaime Lannister, he heard a third tread that he had not expected, light and soft, yet feigning confidence. Fuck. Even the most cunning web can be ruined by a fool stumbling through it.

Cersei had brought the boy 'king' to settle matters in person, according to her own sweeping proclamations.

How, why? He was supposed to be practicing the sword with Selmy. Bloodraven had trusted the old kingsguard to hold onto him in the brief chaos to come, to keep him from getting any ridiculous ideas of flight. It had not merely been a plan, he had Seen...

That was when the Last Greenseer sensed the odd void around the boy, they had given him a proper mind ward to match his mother's. He could see through it, of course, the same away a man might smash though a locked door if he rant at it full tilt. Subtle it would not be, nor something one should get into the habit of if one wishes to have arms still attached at the shoulder. Lannister gold grinding up the works of the kingdom one last time. Now he could not even tell if the boy had a contingent translocation effect. He should, of course, being the king, and he had seem him with it as recently as yesterday, but Bloodraven was not in the habit of letting his plans hinge upon what should be rather than what is.

Over the next hour as the council debated its pitiful options with ever more passion and wrath, Joffrey Waters seemed ever more entranced by it, not the business of rule but the fascination for bloody battle that only those who had never seen a battlefield could espouse.

"I shall head west and help secure our position with the Ironborn. Expect the armies of the Westerlands and more, soon..." Ser Kevan said, adding to Bloodraven's dilemma. He was running out of time.

Getting the boy out of the room of his own accord would be nigh impossible. His mother would have to stay or this whole blaze would be a waste of his vessel's death. Perhaps the Kingslayer could be persuaded to get the boy out of the room? The queen would trust him to do so, if she trusted anyone. On the other hand, he could let the session pass and hope he could have another shot at it before Kevan left for the West.

Thankfully, this was not the age into which he had been born. Speaking to the king was only a thought away. What does Bloodraven do?

[] Persuade the Kinglasyer to take Joffrey out of the room before the explosion, leaving them both alive in the aftermath

[] Let the meeting end without setting off the Varys bomb, risks Ser Kevan slipping away before the next one

[] Write in


OOC: Bynden's socials while buffed are such that there is no question he could persuade Jaime to take Joffrey and do something more interesting with him, like sword fighting, but he can't get the kid to leave on his own because he would get shut down on the first word and no matter your social skills you need to actually be able to talk to someone to persuade them and he can't send him with someone else because Cersei is too paranoid. Not yet edited.
Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.
 
Option 1: No loose ends, proceeds with bombing as planned.
Morally bankrupt, but somewhat IC, there is logic to leave no Lannister alive here.

Option 2: Convince Jaime to leave.
...But it isn't like we care for him and Joffrey dying much?
I mean, it's not like the kid will have any chance of growing into a danger to us. And Jaime, well, he's an asshole, but an asshole we're a little grateful to.

It does, however, risk stuff.
It takes time to convince, and the Bitch might suspect something.

I want a big boom.
I don't want to risk Cersei surviving because the bitch would totally be paranoid enough to either leave with her son, or suspect something.

[X] Proceed as initially planned.
 
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[X] Proceed as initially planned.

Joffrey surviving isn't a very important thing imo, if we could avoid it then it would be nice but not enough to sacrifice parts of the plan.
 
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[X] Persuade the Kinglasyer to take Joffrey out of the room before the explosion, leaving them both alive in the aftermath

What the fuck no.

Jaime is a complication but hardly one unaccountable. But it is flagrantly OOC to assassinate Joffrey intentionally. We went through great pains to avoid doing so. And Viserys does not want to kill children for expediency's sake.
 
I feel I have to remind you guys that Joffrey is 7 and Viserys' IC opinion of him was 'spoiled and ignorant' not 'a monster'. I am not going to spare you guys seeing the consequences for the character ordering that a kid be blown up on the grounds that another Joffrey was and asshole in a universe where Viserys was just as bad.
 
I don't have an issue with Jaime surviving this. It would have been a bonus to get him now, but that can be handled later, if necessary. We have absolutely no IC reason to blow up Joffrey right now, and it would be extremely OOC for Viserys to give the go ahead with that.

[X] Persuade the Kinglasyer to take Joffrey out of the room before the explosion, leaving them both alive in the aftermath
 
[X] Persuade the Kinglasyer to take Joffrey out of the room before the explosion, leaving them both alive in the aftermath

What the fuck no.

Jaime is a complication but hardly one unaccountable. But it is flagrantly OOC to assassinate Joffrey intentionally. We went through great pains to avoid doing so. And Viserys does not want to kill children for expediency's sake.
Jaime is going to try and kill us as the first thing when the dust settles due to us offing Cersei. And leaving witnesses of what happened right before the explosion is a surefire way to get our plot exposed.
 
Option 1: No loose ends, proceeds with bombing as planned.
Morally bankrupt, but somewhat IC, there is logic to leave no Lannister alive here.

Option 2: Convince Jaime to leave.
...But it isn't like we care for him and Joffrey dying much?
I mean, it's not like the kid will have any chance of growing into a danger to us. And Jaime, well, he's an asshole, but an asshole we're a little grateful to.

It does, however, risk stuff.
It takes time to convince, and the Bitch might suspect something.

I want a big boom.
I don't want to risk Cersei surviving because the bitch would totally be paranoid enough to either leave with her son, or suspect something.

[X] Proceed as initially planned.
[X] Proceed as initially planned.

Gonna be some collateral but nothing of real value would be lost.
[X] Proceed as initially planned.

Joffrey surviving isn't a very important thing imo, if we could avoid it then it would be nice but not enough to sacrifice parts of the plan.
[X] Proceed as initially planned.
[X] Proceed as initially planned.

Only because no one likable (except maybe Jaime) is present.
[X] Proceed as initially planned.

Cersei's "fuck your plans" aura can't beat an explosion at close range :V
Y'all are voting to blow up a seven year old child. That is not something Viserys would do for the simple expediency of killing Jaime now rather than later.
 
Seriously, what the fuck? Then back out of it, or hell, let Cersei and Jaime leave and take out Kevan, who's actually keeping things together here. There's essentially nothing Cersei can do since we already have a hold enough on King's Landing.
 
Oh wait. Forgot that Joffrey was just a seven year old. Not the little monster that was his twelve-fourteen year old self.

Edit: Vote cancelled.
 
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on the grounds that another Joffrey was and asshole in a universe where Viserys was just as bad.
These are not the grounds we're exploding people on?

I mean, my only worry is Cersei getting SuS or leaving with them.
Then half the caboom-y scheme fails right here.

I mean, it's mite hypocritical to think that just because we didn't order killing kids, none died as direct consequences of our (thread's/Viserys') deliberate actions by now.
Sure, it's LE thing to do at best and Stupid Evil at worst, but I think it's not straining what is 'resonable' in-setting/in-character.
 
Screw it. I'm tired of the ever same issue cropping up and it always being A Big Problem because that one kid we fuck over has a name and is on screen, as opposed to all the other naneless people we fuck over for expediency.

[X] Proceed as initially planned.

@Goldfish, @Crake, if it was OOC for Viserys to decide this, it wouldn't be an option.
 
[X] Persuade the Kinglasyer to take Joffrey out of the room before the explosion, leaving them both alive in the aftermath
 
Sure, it's LE thing to do at best and Stupid Evil at worst, but I think it's not straining what is 'resonable' in-setting/in-character.
No, it is not, and even amoral Bloodraven recognizes that.

We've made plans to deal with Joffrey later, and so what if Jaime survives for now? Let him come after us, that's just more XP for our people later on.
 
I'm half tempted to screw it, bottle Joffrey, toss the bottle out the window, then blow everything up.
I'm with this plan. Chuck a pokeball at the kid, toss it outside, and while everyone is screaming treachery and what not do our best Electrode impression.

Hell if that's too complicated hit him with a teleport spell and banish him somewhere, and then explode while they're attacking us for our betrayal.

Varys is a fucking bob-omb, so even if they kill him we win, long as Joffery is out of the blast zone everything is kosher.
 
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