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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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@Acolyte, the Legion is drilled to fight in tight and orderly formations. Wild beasts do not mix well here.

I wouldn't mind some Werewolves, Wereboars or Werebears in the Inquisitional Stormtroopers. Those have a much easier time accommodating odd people.
 
DragonParadox said:
The thing to consider is that were-beings are not really the most inclined to fight in ordered ranks. even the most disciplined of them are likely to act out in the heat of mass combat and it gets worse as the full moon approaches. So you could be in a position where your army has and obvious and unavoidable weakness tied to the lunar cycle.
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Really what we need to do is study, exhaustively, the transformation aspects of things, and find a way to tie it to a high-end template that doesn't piggyback its magic off the weight of a Conceptual-grade curse.

It should have an appropriately high level-adjustment, and probably some lesser manifestation of those animal instincts, but then you could do things like introduce essence of Order or the like into the process' fluff.
 
Azel said:
@Acolyte, the Legion is drilled to fight in tight and orderly formations. Wild beasts do not mix well here.

I wouldn't mind some Werewolves, Wereboars or Werebears in the Inquisitional Stormtroopers. Those have a much easier time accommodating odd people.
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I mean that's fine too. I just really like were bears and anything that let's our legion be more competitive with our flesh forged creations.
 
Speed53066 said:
[X] Crake

Yah, why is it when the Starks rased up a house, they get an extremely loyal vassal, but when we do it we get a lazy oath breaker.
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Probably because of vastly differing circumstances.

The Manderlys were exiled from the Reach, and the Starks saved them and granted them White Harbor.

The Tyrells on the other hand schemed for the Gardeners to all die in the Field of Fire, and then in a bid to continue crippling the Reach to keep them from being rivals of any sort, Aegon named the stewards the rulers of the Reach. Everything Aegon did with the Reach was pretty much to kneecap its power. The Tyrells were just beneficiaries by circumstance, and were correspondingly way less grateful. Also by nature of the House in general they're just scheming ingrates.
 
Crake said:
Really what we need to do is study, exhaustively, the transformation aspects of things, and find a way to tie it to a high-end template that doesn't piggyback its magic off the weight of a Conceptual-grade curse.

It should have an appropriately high level-adjustment, and probably some lesser manifestation of those animal instincts, but then you could do things like introduce essence of Order or the like into the process' fluff.
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It would probably be much harder to propagate it that way I would think. The power is attached to the curse aspect and the downsides is why it can spread easily. Ofcourse it all conjecture. But that's my views on that.
 
Azel said:
Frankly, that's not their purpose. The Legion is just the basic as dirt foot sloggers in our military. Our equivalent to Baators Merregons.
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True but it would be a way of doing enhancement at basically free or at least be so cost effective to be standard issue. While it would probably make pitched battle probably more difficult. It would be a lot more effective on the squad levels if we chose werewolves, that they can be used as supplemental tunnel fighters or other such places where team work is much harder. In addition to the inquisition part.
 
Duesal said:
Probably because of vastly differing circumstances.

The Manderlys were exiled from the Reach, and the Starks saved them and granted them White Harbor.

The Tyrells on the other hand schemed for the Gardeners to all die in the Field of Fire, and then in a bid to continue crippling the Reach to keep them from being rivals of any sort, Aegon named the stewards the rulers of the Reach. Everything Aegon did with the Reach was pretty much to kneecap its power. The Tyrells were just beneficiaries by circumstance, and were correspondingly way less grateful. Also by nature of the House in general they're just scheming ingrates.
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I feel so many emotions reading this, but yeah that's the response I was about to give.

It really tells you something when you have given so much thought into the rationale of a fictional character and their actions, just to see if you can some way to justify it on their end.

...btw, you can't.
 
Acolyte said:
True but it would be a way of doing enhancement at basically free or at least be so cost effective to be standard issue. While it would probably make pitched battle probably more difficult. It would be a lot more effective on the squad levels if we chose werewolves, that they can be used as supplemental tunnel fighters or other such places where team work is much harder. In addition to the inquisition part.
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That's basically why and for what we got the Praetori. The Legions OOB is set up for classical field battles and garrison work, not tunnel fighting or similar special operations.

And any process that creates a controllable werewolf will likely require either a mid-level PC as base material or so much financial ressources that we might as well have made a Praetori instead.
 
Also if we need high end specialized troops to fill a specific niche we can just fleshforge them, in general there is no need to be spending time and money improving baseline humans when we can more easily mass produce superhuman warriors on the cheap.

Edit: Also what is the rome quest, and what is up with it being banned?
 
Azel said:
That's basically why and for what we got the Praetori. The Legions OOB is set up for classical field battles and garrison work, not tunnel fighting or similar special operations.

And any process that creates a controllable werewolf will likely require either a mid-level PC as base material or so much financial ressources that we might as well have made a Praetori instead.
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I am pretty sure you can learn to control the animal side through extensive training. Which I think would be less expensive than potentially a Pretorian. But it depends on how do wants to implement them. I would say that the longer training time should be a viable substitute for low material cost. But again that up to the author. We can whip up a pretorian in a month and I would say it should take the werewolves at least 4 months. So they could be cheap but be a trouble to raise up quickly. Add that to the loss of control issues on and near moonrise and I think that is enough of a balanced enhancement that we can adopt en mass but not spam due to the downside which I think is the perfect sweet spot to add to the story.
 
Yeah if the Tyrell's do not behave giving the Torchwoods Highgarden and whatever is left of the Tyrell lands would be good. It would also send a message, if you tick us off you will lose your noble status to the lowborn but loyal and capable.
 
Acolyte said:
I am pretty sure you can learn to control the animal side through extensive training. Which I think would be less expensive than potentially a Pretorian. But it depends on how do wants to implement them. I would say that the longer training time should be a viable substitute for low material cost. But again that up to the author. We can whip up a pretorian in a month and I would say it should take the werewolves at least 4 months. So they could be cheap but be a trouble to raise up quickly. Add that to the loss of control issues on and near moonrise and I think that is enough of a balanced enhancement that we can adopt en mass but not spam due to the downside which I think is the perfect sweet spot to add to the story.
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Ok, but you have now lost on me on why we should start a military program in which our soldiers take longer to train to hopefully achieve a result with some clear and present weaknesses.

I'm just not seeing a need for a Company worth of werewolves, let alone a full Legion.

I mean, I get you. I still want some Dread Sayonna soldiers, because I think that would be awesome, but I'm not seeing any particular reason to put effort into making them, when we have so many other options. So I don't push for them. (The one thing that would convince me is if Wylla decided that she wants to go back to undeath, now with her sanity intact, and doing the research primarily for her.)
 
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