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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Azel said:
... why don't we have APHE shells yet ... ?
... and where are the air-burst shrapnel rounds ... ?
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...blame yourself for salting away the moment when we made the discovery, not everyone's as war-minded as you are.

Well, you named those, now you gotta make those.
:p

Chop chop!
 
egoo said:
...blame yourself for salting away the moment when we made the discovery, not everyone's as war-minded as you are.

Well, you named those, now you gotta make those.
:p

Chop chop!
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I was under the impression we only got the proximity fuses, but not the time delay ones.


Mace Tyrell: "If you leave us in power, we will give you the finest knights of the Reach for your army!"
Viserys: "Nah. I'm good. :)"
 
She's still low-level and her most notable knowledge was a bit of Religion.
Really, if we call her a researcher we might as well call all our individual graduates researchers, they have similar level and skill.
 
Duesal said:
She finally broke into PC territory and is either level 7 or level 8 IIRC.
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It's 7 I think:
egoo said:
Leila Goldhammer (Level 7 Archivist);
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Well, I guess she's a Researcher. Yay?
Tbh, I dont feel like using her.
She's not uber-specialised like Lya, Anu, or Qyburn and we have plenty people doing general Research.
Better just force-level her on any adventures we can push her into.

Edit: Artemis1992 has a great point tho. Whole by old rules she qualifies, she really, really doesnt insofar as most of our Researchers are either very specialized (Wyla thanks to unique experience, Anu thanks to feats and backstory, Misfits' alchemist thanks to class) or just high-level (Dany, Tyene)

Anyone below level 13 doesn't really feel advanced enough to count a researcher nowadays.
 
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Artemis1992 said:
She's still low-level and her most notable knowledge was a bit of Religion.
Really, if we call her a researcher we might as well call all our individual graduates researchers, they have similar level and skill.
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She's definitely more skilled than most other graduates simply due to her being the very first student, and having the time to individually pursue runecrafting already. That being said, compared to the other researchers she is still weak and could use a few more levels.
egoo said:
It's 7 I think:

Well, I guess she's a Researcher. Yay?
Tbh, I dont feel like using her.
She's not uber-specialised like Lya, Anu, or Qyburn and we have plenty people doing general Research.
Better just force-level her on any adventures we can push her into.

Edit: Artemis1992 has a great point tho. Whole by old rules she qualifies, she really, really doesnt insofar as most of our Researchers are either very specialized (Wyla thanks to unique experience, Anu thanks to feats and backstory, Lya thanks to Mythic path and PRC, etc).

Anyone below level 13 doesn't really feel advanced enough to count a researcher nowadays.
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I agree that she needs more levels, but dude, level 13 is a bit of an insane cap for what we require for researchers.

Lya for example was a perfectly adept researcher at Level 9 simply due to skill and passion, well before her Mythic Rank or the more flashy benefits of her PrC.
 
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egoo said:
Edit: Artemis1992 has a great point tho. Whole by old rules she qualifies, she really, really doesnt insofar as most of our Researchers are either very specialized (Wyla thanks to unique experience, Anu thanks to feats and backstory, Misfits' alchemist thanks to class) or just high-level (Dany, Tyene)

Anyone below level 13 doesn't really feel advanced enough to count a researcher nowadays.
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Duesal said:
I agree that she needs more levels, but dude, level 13 is a bit of an insane cap for what we require for researchers.
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We definitly have weaker people researching, but they do so by running a facility, a Scholarium-branch or something like that.

Like Horio of Tyrosh, who is utterly unimpressive as a mage and doesn't have his own research-dice, but his teaching and coordinating the Tyrishi Branch is worth some decent progress.
 
Duesal said:
I agree that she needs more levels, but dude, level 13 is a bit of an insane cap for what we require for researchers.
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It's that or we push Progress cap to 70 to 100+ for every action, lest we just blow through them like nothing.

Researchers have to qualify for the actions they are doing, as much as the actions should have reasonable Progress numbers to begin with.

The research we did at the start of the quest is objectively far easier and less precise than what we're having our PCs do now.

It just makes sense to me that we'd only foint someone a researcher if they are a mid-level PC and have an affinity with a specific subject.
...Or if they are an abomination of unholy science like Lya.

Bottom line, any low-level Researchers are de-facto in "Scholarum branch _name-a-place_" (2d6 Progress) Ic.
 
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Artemis1992 said:
We definitly have weaker people researching, but they do so by running a facility, a Scholarium-branch or something like that.

Like Horio of Tyrosh, who is utterly unimpressive as a mage and doesn't have his own research-dice, but his teaching and coordinating the Tyrishi Branch is worth some decent progress.
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egoo said:
It's that or we push Progress cap to 70 to 100+ for every action, lest we just blow through them like nothing.

Researchers have to qualify for the actions they are doing, as much as the actions should have reasonable Progress numbers to begin with.

The research we did at the start of the quest is objectively far easier and less precise than what we're having our PCs do now.

It just makes sense to me that we'd only foint someone a researcher if they are a mid-level PC and have an affinity with a specific subject.
...Or if they are an abomination of unholy science like Lya.

Bottom line, any low-level Researchers are de-facto in "Scholarum branch _name-a-place_" (2d6 Progress) Ic.
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My main objection is saying that level 13 and above are the only meaningful researchers. Aenie Caleris for example is level 8 or 9.
DragonParadox said:
OOC: It was actually very unlikely for Aenie to want to return too since she had died at peace after a long life ensuring the survival of her small clan through the end of the world, but the roll was a 98 so you guys get one more full fledged mage. I'm thinking level 8-9 with a social build and without much interest in combat.
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Specialized, sure, but the point stands nonetheless.

Leila specifically is more special than the average Scholarum graduate by being the very first student in the Imperium. She definitely needs a few more levels, I'm not arguing about that, but she doesn't need to become level 13 before she becomes viable as an independent researcher.
 
Duesal said:
Leila specifically is more special than the average Scholarum graduate by being the very first student in the Imperium.
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I don't follow?
She is not a Fey to benefit from some abstract "specialness", in fact having been intructed by Lya somewhere between adventures and crafting and then learning the rest from an eclectic heap of looted books propably makes for an objectivly worse education than people learning after a carefully build and by now reasonably tested curriculum have right now.
 
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Duesal said:
Aenie Caleris for example is level 8 or 9.
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her specifically I have problems putting on anything but Dreamlands-related RAs, tbh.
6d6 she gets on them is justified, but all she's ever doen for us was dreamlands-related.
Imma feel weird if she branches out with no trouble into other projects.

I'd really rather have her (and other low-level highly-specialized resesearchers, see Misfits' Alchemist) only give 2d6 Progress on matters that aren't her field.

Just... something that makes sense to me, I guess.
 
Winning Vote
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Oct 12, 2020 at 10:32 AM, finished with 152 posts and 23 votes.
  • [X] Split them up after Roberts death:
    -[X] Keep Joffrey in Kings Landing as he will be king and make sure he stays alive long enough for Cersei to mess things up even more then they already are.
    -[X] Have Myrcella and Tommen brought to Casterly Rock for their safety, but abduct them on the way.
    -[X] After this, during a meeting of the Small Council where Cersei, Jaime and Kevan Lannister are present, but not Joffrey or Pycelle, have Varys blow himself up to kill them all.
    [X] Remove all three of them from King's Landing after Robert's death, they will be safer in your care from any fools who might try to curry favor with the heads of children
    [X] Remove all three of them from King's Landing after Robert's death, they will be safer in your care from any fools who might try to curry favor with the heads of children
    -[X] Viserys will meet them at least a couple of times, he's not callous enough not to explain how little control over their lives they're going to have, but he'd rather they hate him than hate the rest of your family.
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Part MMMDCLXII: Silent Plots
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    Third Day of the Third Month

    Though the memory of Tyrosh lies uneasy in your mind, you remind yourself that it is unlikely that anyone but a rank fool would think to present the bodies of children to you these days. You have flouted the Hound's new allegiance in public and on mirror news. The implications should be obvious to most and from your recollections of Barristan Selmy, not to mention the man's reputation, you have no doubt he can deal with fools. "Leave the eldest Joffrey in the capital, try to get the others moved towards Casterly Rock. We can pick them up on the way."

    "That might prove difficult, the Queen is attached to her children and fears for them as only one with a heavy conscience can,"     comes the thoughtful reply.

    You consider what you know of Cersei Lannister's deeds as queen and her manner at court, the woman who is currently an excuse away from murdering her husband. "I am surprised she has a conscience to burden."

    "By her lights she is the victim in all this,"     Bloodraven replies. "Do you still want me to work with her on arranging Baratheon's suspicious death?"

    "Yes. Once he is dead see to is that 'Varys' goes out with a blast,"     You carefully consider the names of the Usurper's Small Council. "Remove the Queen, her bother and their uncle Kevan, but ensure the prince lives and so does Pycelle."

    A tinge of surprise touches the ancient sorcerer's thoughts, not at those you have asked spared, but at one of the names you have called out to die. "The Kingslayer?"

    "He does not deserve to die, but neither does he exist in a vacuum. He is Tywin's son, were it not for the kingsguard he would be his heir, and he is Cersei's brother,"     You recall the earnest young knight from the dream, he would not accept his family's doom for ruthless practicality. "I hope whatever fate awaits his soul will reward him in the next life for his deeds that day, but I cannot reward him in this one."

    A thread of grim understanding coils around your thoughts, what might perhaps be a nod if you were speaking face to face. "I see," A moment later, almost reluctantly he adds. "I will regret this body's passing."

    "There is no reason why we cannot grow one less recognizable... and without the ordinance inside,"     you reply, adding an edge of humor to the words before they might grow too grim. There will be war, yes, and death, but far less of both than you might have expected even two years ago, and when the dust is settled your family will return in triumph to the lands you have been banished from.

    "Very well then... let the Pacification of the Western Provinces begin," comes the reply in like tone. Of all the skills the Last Greenseer possesses of which you have learned over the years you are still not quite sure how he manages to get capital letters across in has mind voice.

    What next?

    [] See Baelish's Death (Interlude)

    [] See Robert's Death (Interlude)

    [] Further planning before the gears begin to move
    -[] Write in

    [] Write in

    OOC: Really bit short, but this was the natural break point.
     
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    • Artemis1992 said:
    I don't follow?
    She is not a Fey to benefit from some abstract "specialness", in fact having been intructed by Lya somewhere between adventures and crafting and then learning the rest from an eclectic heap of looted books propably makes for an objectivly worse education that people learning after a carefully build and by now reasonably tested curriculum have right now.
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    The specialness is seniority, dude. She's studied longer than anyone else, and she has Lya as her personal mentor. As for comparing her education to the Scholarum education, considering she was one of the people who helped mentor the magelings when we were busy I don't think she'd be lagging behind at all. The best way to learn something is to be forced to teach it to someone else.
    egoo said:
    her specifically I have problems putting on anything but Dreamlands-related RAs, tbh.
    6d6 she gets on them is justified, but all she's ever doen for us was dreamlands-related.
    Imma feel weird if she branches out with no trouble into other projects.

    I'd really rather have her (and other low-level highly-specialized resesearchers, see Misfits' Alchemist) only give 2d6 Progress on matters that aren't her field.

    Just... something that makes sense to me, I guess.
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    What makes sense to me is not imposing an arbitrary 'level 13 and above only' restriction on researchers. Level 10 or so is plenty skilled enough. If you have a problem with how fast research is going, instead of kneecapping our own capabilities just ask DP to introduce more points for failure. We can definitely have more disasters like what happened with the Flesh Forge.
     
    DragonParadox said:
    "If you are already struggling to get the younger children out, don't bother, see to is that 'Varys' goes out with a blast." You carefully consider the names of the Usurper's Small Council. "Remove the Queen, her bother and their uncle Kevan, but ensure the prince lives and so does Pyrcelle."

    A tinge of surprise touches the ancient sorcerer's thoughts, not at those you have asked spared, but at one of the names you have called out to die. "The Kingslayer?"

    "He does not deserve to die, but neither does he exist in a vacuum, he is Tywin's son, but for the kingsguard he should be his heir and he is Cersei's brother."     You recall the earnest young knight from the dream, he would not accept his family's doom from ruthless practicality. "I hope whatever fate awaits his soul will reward his soul in the next life for his deeds that day. I cannot reward him in this one."
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    Wait, did we just vote for that?

    Jaime is neither in the small council nor has he any reason to appear before it?

    Edit: To be clear, the vote explicitly included Kevan, not Jaime.
     
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