So, what are our options on Anti-Fay Nukes, because we may need to keep a good amount of them handy. That and once we Reconquista Westarose, we may need to pull a total meltdown for the Sage in the COS. If we can't outsmart it, we can try to overload his tactical planning with all the problems possible.
I just had a bizarre and almost certainly wrong thought regarding the Sage.

What if the Sage is the Greenseer on the Weirwood Throne? Maybe the split between the Old Gods and the Fey happened way way back, and ever since then the Sage (now in the friendly form of Uncle Bloodraven) has been off doing his own thing.

But that'd be way too convenient, so almost definitely wrong.
 
What's they wild counterpart of sorcerers deep. Must have lots of fae that would be well disposed towards us.
Isn't that partially under the domain of Yss? He's doing something similar in the Dreamlands, and since Yss is doing it of his own initiative instead of as part of some bargain he's trying to weasel out of its be weird to leave that untended.

I doubt many fey would enjoy living in an city with a god draped around it like a feather boa.

Also, @DragonParadox would it be possible to get around some of the fey wild bullshit with Planar Bubble?
 
Isn't that partially under the domain of Yss? He's doing something similar in the Dreamlands, and since Yss is doing it of his own initiative instead of as part of some bargain he's trying to weasel out of its be weird to leave that untended.

I doubt many fey would enjoy living in an city with a god draped around it like a feather boa.

Also, @DragonParadox would it be possible to get around some of the fey wild bullshit with Planar Bubble?
Plenty of our Imperial Fey are okay with it, mostly because Yss is a lazy snake who doesn't try to command them.
 
Okay Then:
I'm pretty sure we already use this, but for the sake of completeness let's start with Celestial Fortress. It creates a structure similar to Leomund's Secure Shelter, but in the form of a flat roofed fort themed after the caster's deity. The inside is also effected with consecrate and circle against evil, which is the real selling point. Its too small to be useful alone, but as guard posts and impromptu defensive positions they're good. It does require a 1d2 strength damage to cast, but if we make it as an item we can have different casters take turns replacing it. At minimum CL it'll last for 16 hours, which is plenty of time to establish a replacement rotation to minimize the number of items needed.

Next up is another LSS variant, Leomund's Billet. This is a level 5 spell, but it provides basic housing and food for 40 people and lasts 2 hours/ CL. Paying the upfront cost in items to shorten up our logistics network is well worth the effort in my mind. Tents and create food spells are nice, but the added security of a shelter you need a minimum of siege weaponry to knock down is considerable.

These two would form the core of a camp, providing food, shelter, and basic security checkpoints at important locations. To supplement that, we'd want control the environment more, and have some way of making entry more difficult.

The start for that would be Battlefield Fortification which lets the caster make trenches and berms. They're 5 ft long/CL and 20 ft wide, which is good for camp defenses and trench warfare.

Ideally we'd set up somewhere with useful terrain features, then supplement them with trenches, stone walls, and CF choke points.

I'm still working on the stone wall stuff; the simple answer is using wall of stone, but that's expensive with the other buffs I want to use.

If we can get any kind of stone structure up, we can use Stone metamorphosis to turn it into something highly durable, then hit it with Earthfast to double it's HP and give it a hardness of 10 if it didn't have at least that much already.

Sure you can get in with a few different forms of magic, but most of the ones that work for groups aren't subtle.

To top it off, we add some Aerial Alarm items ( which I think we already use) to make stealth attacks from above harder.

I'd also like to get some mages capable of using Legion's Undeniable Gravity if we can. It's a long range spell that hits a 20ft burst and forces everything inside to make a will save or start landing. Here's the base spell for it. Maybe we could use some Spell Latices to make it available?

We wouldn't use all of this stuff at once in most cases, but they make for a decent kit to pick tools from.
Leomund's Billet is a neat spell and one that could be useful in some circumstances. It's of an unfortunately high level, though, so even just a 1/Day item would cost 1,620 IM at a minimum to enchant.

Being able to feed and shelter 40 people once per day for up to 18 hours isn't bad at all, but we would need hundreds of them for even one Legion. I could see us having a small number of items capable of using the spell for special purposes, though not widespread implementation.

Instead of using Battlefield Fortification, which is effective but not easily accessible as a 4th level spell, I think using a combination of Expeditious Construction and Expeditious Excavation items would be much more affordable and something which could be implemented on a larger scale, as detailed here:
More poking at spreadsheets has revealed that we can get 30 Light Warstriders, 10 Warstriders, and 2 Heavy Warstriders crafted next month for 201,125 IM. I think that's a pretty solid first run.

The cheapest method of magically erecting field fortifications that I can think of would be to use a combination of Expeditious Construction and Expeditious Excavation. They're both 1st level spells, so a command-activated At Will worn item, such as a ring, would cost 180 IM for each spell effect and could be used indefinitely.

Use Expeditious Construction to create a 3 foot thick by 3 foot high by 10 foot long earthen wall. Or half that long with double wall thickness, then stack another one on top of that. While one person is doing that, another would be using the Expeditious Excavation ring to dig a 5 foot deep ditch in front of the earthen wall, piling the newly removed dirt on the other side of the wall or on top of it. Two people working together could put up a decent-sized earthen fortification in just a few minutes doing this.
 
Plenty of our Imperial Fey are okay with it, mostly because Yss is a lazy snake who doesn't try to command them.
True, but they also either don't live in the city, or their homes are in the material version of it where his influence is more limited. In the dreamlands he's a snake so big he looks like an immense wall around the island at first glance. If his power in the feywild is similar then ignoring him would be much harder. I imagine it'd be the fey equivalent of living 10 ft from busy train tracks even if they didn't dislike him on principle.
 
True, but they also either don't live in the city, or their homes are in the material version of it where his influence is more limited. In the dreamlands he's a snake so big he looks like an immense wall around the island at first glance. If his power in the feywild is similar then ignoring him would be much harder. I imagine it'd be the fey equivalent of living 10 ft from busy train tracks even if they didn't dislike him on principle.
I'm not sure how much his influence seeps into the Feywild, though it wouldn't surprise me if it was substantial. That said, however, it should at least be a little countered by the Tree of the Dawn Age serving as a conduit for the formerly fey Old Gods. They're divine, but they're also more tolerable to the Fey.
 
Have not visited the fey counter part of the island yet. Seems like something we should do to check if there is a threat there.
 
@egoo, I will give you final employment plans when we have them. But please don't ask for that the moment I say something. We need to discuss these things in-thread before something can be penned down.

To boot, it looks like we will need a very heavy assault to get rid of the Orange Court.
 
Leomund's Billet is a neat spell and one that could be useful in some circumstances. It's of an unfortunately high level, though, so even just a 1/Day item would cost 1,620 IM at a minimum to enchant.

Being able to feed and shelter 40 people once per day for up to 18 hours isn't bad at all, but we would need hundreds of them for even one Legion. I could see us having a small number of items capable of using the spell for special purposes, though not widespread implementation.

Instead of using Battlefield Fortification, which is effective but not easily accessible as a 4th level spell, I think using a combination of Expeditious Construction and Expeditious Excavation items would be much more affordable and something which could be implemented on a larger scale, as detailed here:
That's fair. Short term it's not cost effective, but being able to pay up front to remove a significant portion of our logistics cost is tempting.

On the earthworks stuff I can see the draw of the cheaper items. I was thinking that the cost would be balanced by the small number that we'd really need for base fortification. At the minimum CL for BF you get a 20 ft X 10 ft berm or trench in 6 seconds, so one person could effectively fortify an entire camp as fats was they could walk it with an at will item.

I can see how the bottleneck would be unattractive though.

Do you have any ideas on cheaper ways to get stone barriers up? As level 2 spells earthfast and stone metamorphosis are accessible enough to basically require dedicating casters to getting through them at the level the legion operates on.
edit: Wrong CL calculation for that spell.
 
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@egoo, I will give you final employment plans when we have them. But please don't ask for that the moment I say something. We need to discuss these things in-thread before something can be penned down.

To boot, it looks like we will need a very heavy assault to get rid of the Orange Court.
Tbh, it seems like every court might need an ultra-heavy assault at this rate.

Makes sense, I suppose.
Fey arent outgoing by any rate (compared to other Outsiders, anyway), but hella powerful in home territory, given one stumbles into the nest of theirs, as a compensation.

And sure, I'll shut up, I just brought attention to other issues we have burning our asses that have to be addressed, to not let CoS-handling eat up all of the manpower.
 
Tbh, it seems like every court might need an ultra-heavy assault at this rate.

Makes sense, I suppose.
Fey arent outgoing by any rate (compared to other Outsiders, anyway), but hella powerful in home territory, given one stumbles into the nest of theirs, as a compensation.

And sure, I'll shut up, I just brought attention to other issues we have burning our asses that have to be addressed, to not let CoS-handling eat up all of the manpower.
I'm aware of that, but it's too early to make finalised plans.
 
Okay, there seems to be a permanent mind-affecting bullshit in the Orange's domain.

We can't send only Undead and Constructs, so we'll either have to find a counter to it (Viserys' Beacon of Will will likely migate the problem a bit) or we have to send only Mindblanked people in, which will clash with our plans to be simultaneously active in Slaver's Bay under full Mindblank.

And I can only say what I have carefully suggested before, let Asmodeus have his foothold, we can't afford to contest him over something we'll loose eventually anyway.

Also, with the description of all-encompassing mists we'll need good guides. Vee is supernaturally good, that covers for a lot, but an Orange defector would be very valuable here.

As far as I know there are Fey Knights from every court at Highgarden, right? Maybe we can try to use our hold over the Tyrells to have them point out someone we might have a chance at subverting?
I imagine Olenna at least will have payed some attention to possible weaknesses and ways to turn some of them to her side, even if she might lack the raw diplo-score to pull it off or the secure backing to do it without retaliation from the Fey.
 
That's fair. Short term it's not cost effective, but being able to pay up front to remove a significant portion of our logistics cost is tempting.

On the earthworks stuff I can see the draw of the cheaper items. I was thinking that the cost would be balanced by the small number that we'd really need for base fortification. At the minimum CL for BF you get a 20 ft X 10 ft berm or trench in 6 seconds, so one person could effectively fortify an entire camp as fats was they could walk it with an at will item.

I can see how the bottleneck would be unattractive though.

Do you have any ideas on cheaper ways to get stone barriers up? As level 2 spells earthfast and stone metamorphosis are accessible enough to basically require dedicating casters to getting through them at the level the legion operates on.
edit: Wrong CL calculation for that spell.
Battlefield Fortification would do more per casting, but a command-activated item using the spell would cost 5,040 IM. For the same price, we could have 14 pairs of Expeditious Construction and Expeditious Excavation rings made.

Used in concert, those would be many times faster than a single Battlefield Fortification item, or they could be split up among many units to provide quick fortification capabilities in multiple locations.
 
And I can only say what I have carefully suggested before, let Asmodeus have his foothold, we can't afford to contest him over something we'll loose eventually anyway.
Contest?
Probably not, no.

So much as "slowing down" whatever they have planned there coming into fruition is worth it, imo.
Since we will really, really have no chance of reasonably dislodging the Devils outta Slavers' Bay in 4-5 months (approximate timeframw by when we are done with the Reconquest and post-Reconquest peacekeeping) with anything less than orbital bombardment with space rocks, leveling all of those cities.

...Well, or waging a bloody, many-month-long war with lots of casualties and resource-spending we won't really be able to afford, looking forward to Efreeti, Squids, and whatever momentary dangers rear up their ugly heads by then.

Its either or.
So, so much as a chance of not having to wage that kind of campaign is worth considering, imo.
 
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And I can only say what I have carefully suggested before, let Asmodeus have his foothold, we can't afford to contest him over something we'll loose eventually anyway.
The problem with that is that he doesn't want a slice of the pie, he wants the whole thing. We can't stop him, but we can make it costly enough that he goes elsewhere for a while. If we stop making it cost more he'll cheerfully keep taking until he has it all, and we'll be in an even worse position to oppose him from than we are now.

It's like the lock on your car; it doesn't stop someone who really wants in, but it's mostly enough to get them to move on to an easier target.
 
The problem with that is that he doesn't want a slice of the pie, he wants the whole thing. We can't stop him, but we can make it costly enough that he goes elsewhere for a while. If we stop making it cost more he'll cheerfully keep taking until he has it all, and we'll be in an even worse position to oppose him from than we are now.
That is one assumption.
Who's to say he won't stop and consolidate power and make order in Slaver's Bay for quite a while?

And if he doesn't he's stuck between us (all-out war with us is propably not desirable yet), Qarth (let them fight I say) and a big load of no-mans land.

The soul-income of the three cities of Slaver's Bay and maybe New Gith is enough to justify his actions so far, no reason to assume total world conquest as the goal for the next few mortal lifetimes.
 
I thought about doing a third update today what with it being all exposition, but I have a sore throat an incipient headache and it's just hard to focus

Since it it 2020 I should mention I'm positive it is a cold since I have neither flu-like symptoms, a fever or a cough.
 
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I thought about doing a third update today what with it being all exposition, but I have a sore throat an incipient headache and it's just hard to focus

Since it it 2020 I should mention I'm positive it is a cold since I have neither flue-like symptoms, a fever or a cough.
Tbh means jack shit since [REDACTED]varus seems to exhibit literally any symptom out there depending on what got exposed to it.

Stay safe and don't push yourself on all the updoots, DP.

Stress isn't conductive to the health.
Yours, or the quest's :p
 
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That is one assumption.
Who's to say he won't stop and consolidate power and make order in Slaver's Bay for quite a while?

And if he doesn't he's stuck between us (all-out war with us is propably not desirable yet), Qarth (let them fight I say) and a big load of no-mans land.

The soul-income of the three cities of Slaver's Bay and maybe New Gith is enough to justify his actions so far, no reason to assume total world conquest as the goal for the next few mortal lifetimes.
I kind of dont get what Asmodeus is doing there? I dont think its for us at least.

Fighting for tablebscraps seems odd when he could grab the whole empire with the thirteenth god.
 
That is one assumption.
Who's to say he won't stop and consolidate power and make order in Slaver's Bay for quite a while?

And if he doesn't he's stuck between us (all-out war with us is propably not desirable yet), Qarth (let them fight I say) and a big load of no-mans land.

The soul-income of the three cities of Slaver's Bay and maybe New Gith is enough to justify his actions so far, no reason to assume total world conquest as the goal for the next few mortal lifetimes.
It's enough to justify his actions so far in the face of resistance. Now that he's here he's going to be looking for the most profitable way forward he can arrange, if the costs go down his investment will go up. I don't see him turning for any reason except to wait for a good time to stick the knife in.

Asmodeus has in the past been part of the prime material without going full manifest destiny on it, but that's only because it had a strong ecosystem of supernatural beings to protect it and his resources were committed heavily elsewhere.

Discounting the blood war for a moment, his home front was a variably Cold War with the upper spheres. The material plane was their Cuba, Turkey, or Germany. The difference is that the apocalypse happened in the middle of their version and handed victory to big red.

The prime material is now a valuable, but distant, state with few allies worth mentioning and heavily depleted local defenses. Asmodeus has no reason not to do what he always does when he can afford to; remake his new property in his own image.

Right now we win by making it too costly to really get going, and then leveraging the fact that we make a convenient puppet nation to fight the void with.

We need to keep the initiative long enough to make it that far, then try to flip the table in the aftermath of the breaking v2.
 
We're getting spread thin, but I don't think it's wise to not keep an eye on Slaver's Bay next month. I wouldn't put it past Asmodeus to take advantage of the breathing room and massively further his scheme to fully bring the region under his control.

If we had some kind of assurance it would be contained there it wouldn't be the end of the world, admittedly, but I doubt the ambitions of the devils running the show will be that contained.
 
Letting Asmodeus get his way is going to be the biggest mistake we've made in the quest thus far, but it's not like we can really stop him. That's kinda his thing. "Asmodeus Wins".
 
Letting Asmodeus get his way is going to be the biggest mistake we've made in the quest thus far, but it's not like we can really stop him. That's kinda his thing. "Asmodeus Wins".
We can't stop him entirely, that's a fool's errand, but at the very least we can make an effort to stop him from running rampant.
 
I agree. Personally, conquering Westeros, which for a little while anyway is just an albatross around our neck where we fix everyone's fuck-ups, is making me consider Asmodeus our real top priority.

But it's like we've convinced ourselves that Asmodeus is going to fuck us over no matter what we do, so we might as well get something out of it and consolidate while we have the chance.
 
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