Tbh means jack shit since [REDACTED]varus seems to exhibit literally any symptom out there depending on what got exposed to it.

Stay safe and don't push yourself on all the updoots, DP.

Stress isn't conductive to the health.
Yours, or the quest's :p

True, it can show a lot of symptoms, but it shows some overwhelmingly more than others so I'm reasonably sure this is not it.

Anyway, RL stress asside, good night guys, see you tomorrow with more fey background.
 
Ok. I'm honestly fed up with Slavers Bay and the threads habit of just throwing people at it and hoping for the best. I kept quiet on this for the longest while due to meta-knowledge, but I'm no longer willing to keep wasting resources at this for a vague feel-good factor when we have three other fronts where they would be sorely needed

@Crake, in which of the four Ghiscari cities do we have Inquisition bases?

Did we do anything in Mereen at all or did we just have what feels like twenty people sitting in Yunkai with their thumbs up their asses?

Is everyone even aware that New Ghis is a thing?

Did we make any local allies in all these months of operations?

Unless someone can give me a decent, concrete reason for someone being in a specific city in the Ghiscari area, I'm for pulling them out. Without replacement. We are wasting people there.
 
Then what exactly are we talking about? Keeping an eye on the local devils is precisely what those are for.

I mean, this here is what was invested this month:
-[] Tyene, Vee, Melisande, Malarys, Aradia the Huntress, Azema, Chun Ting Lo (Monk 9), Ser Criston Storm (Human Paragon 3/Fighter 5/Occult Slayer 1), Ceria "Storm" (Favored Soul 8/Sacred Exorcist 1), Ser Denys Trainer (Rogue 1/Alchemist 8), Anya the Inquisitor, Morwyn and Tuin - the Drow assassins, 3x Mind Dragons, 5x Guardian Nagas (CR 10), 1x Myrkdreki (CR 15), 3x Umbral spies, 1x Umbral Stalker, 1x Orphne Fey Lord, 1x Asura Upasunda (CR 9), 4x Asura Vayphaks (CR 5),

3 Companions
1 Arcanum
Melisandre
The Misfits
2 Drow Assassins
3 Inquisitors
4 Dragons
And some assorted Flesh Forged stuff

And next months proposed rooster is even more ludicrous. With the amount of people and minions supposed to be send there, we could just turn the whole area into a parking lot.

But we don't have resources to deal with the 8 Fey Courts, each with multiple high-CR combatants and heavily fortified bases?
Just... what...
 
Ok. I'm honestly fed up with Slavers Bay and the threads habit of just throwing people at it and hoping for the best. I kept quiet on this for the longest while due to meta-knowledge, but I'm no longer willing to keep wasting resources at this for a vague feel-good factor when we have three other fronts where they would be sorely needed

@Crake, in which of the four Ghiscari cities do we have Inquisition bases?

Did we do anything in Mereen at all or did we just have what feels like twenty people sitting in Yunkai with their thumbs up their asses?

Is everyone even aware that New Ghis is a thing?

Did we make any local allies in all these months of operations?

Unless someone can give me a decent, concrete reason for someone being in a specific city in the Ghiscari area, I'm for pulling them out. Without replacement. We are wasting people there.
Then what exactly are we talking about? Keeping an eye on the local devils is precisely what those are for.

I mean, this here is what was invested this month:
-[] Tyene, Vee, Melisande, Malarys, Aradia the Huntress, Azema, Chun Ting Lo (Monk 9), Ser Criston Storm (Human Paragon 3/Fighter 5/Occult Slayer 1), Ceria "Storm" (Favored Soul 8/Sacred Exorcist 1), Ser Denys Trainer (Rogue 1/Alchemist 8), Anya the Inquisitor, Morwyn and Tuin - the Drow assassins, 3x Mind Dragons, 5x Guardian Nagas (CR 10), 1x Myrkdreki (CR 15), 3x Umbral spies, 1x Umbral Stalker, 1x Orphne Fey Lord, 1x Asura Upasunda (CR 9), 4x Asura Vayphaks (CR 5),

3 Companions
1 Arcanum
Melisandre
The Misfits
2 Drow Assassins
3 Inquisitors
4 Dragons
And some assorted Flesh Forged stuff

And next months proposed rooster is even more ludicrous. With the amount of people and minions supposed to be send there, we could just turn the whole area into a parking lot.

But we don't have resources to deal with the 8 Fey Courts, each with multiple high-CR combatants and heavily fortified bases?
Just... what...
It's not for a "feel good" factor for me at least, it's about the fact that I hate losing an entire major region. It galls me to accept that kind of defeat.

... But I can't argue with the logic. :( We've got too many fronts.

And more importantly somehow after months of trying to work inside Slaver's Bay, even with the frankly ludicrously powerful forces we've stationed here I can't think of any major accomplishments against the Devils. At best we made them suffer a setback.
 
Did we do anything in Mereen at all or did we just have what feels like twenty people sitting in Yunkai with their thumbs up their asses?

Is everyone even aware that New Ghis is a thing?

Did we make any local allies in all these months of operations?

Unless someone can give me a decent, concrete reason for someone being in a specific city in the Ghiscari area, I'm for pulling them out. Without replacement. We are wasting people there.
1) We killed a bunch of Devil sympathetic high nobles and generally threw their power structure into chaos and anarchy a month ago.

2) Haven't heard back from DP yet about what New Ghis is doing, but our passive observation is in place on the area.

3) Sons of the Harpy made contact with us around the same time we took out infernal patsies in Meereen. Either the Devils have no other opposition, or the opposition is very good at avoiding notice. Both are equally plausible, we have been focusing on being irritating for the local devils, not befriending people that are hard to distinguish from fiend pawns since they're all basically slavers and have a generally homogeneous degree of callousness with regards to human life.

4) Pretty much just reiterates my previous point up there. Do I take this to mean you've pretty much decided to ignore Baator until they start attacking us directly? That honestly shouldn't take very long by the way. They have every reason to do so, because common sense dictates either we will snowball enough to the point that the general fiendish advantage of asymmetric corruption is ineffective if they can't hide their activities well enough, or they will just bring in the infernal legions and start conquering the entire planet. Also logically, if they could do the latter, why advertise their presence at all by trying to take over Slaver's Bay? Why the posturing? Better to have concealed their presence entirely until such a time that they could send an arbitrarily sufficient number of Pit Fiends at the problem.

The problem with Slaver's Bay isn't that we're wasting our time there, it's that we're being led to believe there's no point to doing anything about it. But that's hardly our fault.

We sent a lot of resources at the problem for multiple turns and DP thought he could stretch out the whole thing over a year, apparently, until Viserys decided it was his top priority, because nothing can happen and no plot can progress unless the main character is there. See City of Brass.

I'm mostly being sarcastic there, but my impression of the whole narrative thread there is that we were far late to the party, and literally nothing we could do short of placing our full, undivided attention toward the problem could have solved it, but the thing that pisses me off is that we weren't given any indication of that, just "stuff is happening over here", "you both yank the rug out from under each other near the end of the month" and "Devils tried to trick you, then you caught them and gave them spankies".

That's what Slaver's Bay has been for months. Giving Devils spankies when they desperately needed a beating, but we're the proverbial stepdad who's too drunk to body anyone except another beer can.
 
Then what exactly are we talking about? Keeping an eye on the local devils is precisely what those are for.

I mean, this here is what was invested this month:
-[] Tyene, Vee, Melisande, Malarys, Aradia the Huntress, Azema, Chun Ting Lo (Monk 9), Ser Criston Storm (Human Paragon 3/Fighter 5/Occult Slayer 1), Ceria "Storm" (Favored Soul 8/Sacred Exorcist 1), Ser Denys Trainer (Rogue 1/Alchemist 8), Anya the Inquisitor, Morwyn and Tuin - the Drow assassins, 3x Mind Dragons, 5x Guardian Nagas (CR 10), 1x Myrkdreki (CR 15), 3x Umbral spies, 1x Umbral Stalker, 1x Orphne Fey Lord, 1x Asura Upasunda (CR 9), 4x Asura Vayphaks (CR 5),

3 Companions
1 Arcanum
Melisandre
The Misfits
2 Drow Assassins
3 Inquisitors
4 Dragons
And some assorted Flesh Forged stuff

And next months proposed rooster is even more ludicrous. With the amount of people and minions supposed to be send there, we could just turn the whole area into a parking lot.

But we don't have resources to deal with the 8 Fey Courts, each with multiple high-CR combatants and heavily fortified bases?
Just... what...
Are we leveling the city or...?
 
It's not for a "feel good" factor for me at least, it's about the fact that I hate losing an entire major region. It galls me to accept that kind of defeat.

... But I can't argue with the logic. :( We've got too many fronts.

And more importantly somehow after months of trying to work inside Slaver's Bay, but even with the frankly ludicrously powerful forces we've stationed here I can't think of any major accomplishments against the Devils. At best we made them suffer a setback.
The problem is the ludicrous over-commitment while having no detailed plan. People just get assigned there and then... do not much at all? It's certainly news to me that Vee was even there and didn't just come over for the battle, that somehow also involved Viserys and the A-Party.

Why assign Companion-grade assets when those get pulled over for free anyway whenever something happens?
Why have have multiple infiltrators and Inquisitors there, but then let all of them operate in one single city all the time?
What the hell is Malarys even doing there? Or Vee? Neither of them are sneaky people and I'm seriously not getting what their presence is supposed to add.
The problem with Slaver's Bay isn't that we're wasting our time there, it's that we're being led to believe there's no point to doing anything about it. But that's hardly our fault.

We sent a lot of resources at the problem for multiple turns and DP thought he could stretch out the whole thing over a year, apparently, until Viserys decided it was his top priority, because nothing can happen and no plot can progress unless the main character is there. See City of Brass.

I'm mostly being sarcastic there, but my impression of the whole narrative thread there is that we were far late to the party, and literally nothing we could do short of placing our full, undivided attention toward the problem could have solved it, but the thing that pisses me off is that we weren't given any indication of that, just "stuff is happening over here", "you both yank the rug out from under each other near the end of the month" and "Devils tried to trick you, then you caught them and gave them spankies".

That's what Slaver's Bay has been for months. Giving Devils spankies when they desperately needed a beating, but we're the proverbial stepdad who's too drunk to body anyone except another beer can.
Highlighted part also applies to the Court of Stars. Same story there. Multiple turns of heavy PC investment and... pretty much nothing to show for it.

And now we are two turns before the invasion of Westeros and pretty much nothing is resolved. It's frustrating as hell.


And for the record, I'm not for entirely ignoring Slavers Bay. But fact is, everything we achieved there so far could have also been done by using maybe 4 people tops to support the local Inquisition assets. Nothing that happened there warranted the attention of this many high-level assets.
 
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We are more a less aware that slavers bay has been a complete trainwreck. We just decided to keep commiting more and more resources instead of changing our approach.
 
The problem is the ludicrous over-commitment while having no detailed plan. People just get assigned there and then... do not much at all? It's certainly news to me that Vee was even there and didn't just come over for the battle, that somehow also involved Viserys and the A-Party.

Why assign Companion-grade assets when those get pulled over for free anyway whenever something happens?
Why have have multiple infiltrators and Inquisitors there, but then let all of them operate in one single city all the time?
What the hell is Malarys even doing there? Or Vee? Neither of them are sneaky people and I'm seriously not getting what their presence is supposed to add.

Highlighted part also applies to the Court of Stars. Same story there. Multiple turns of heavy PC investment and... pretty much nothing to show for it.

And now we are two turns before the invasion of Westeros and pretty much nothing is resolved. It's frustrating as hell.


And for the record, I'm not for entirely ignoring Slavers Bay. But fact is, everything we achieved there so far could have also been done by using maybe 4 people tops to support the local Inquisition assets. Nothing that happened there warranted the attention of this many high-level assets.
Nothing happened that we had the opportunity to stop, but the devils did build a doom fortress under at least one city. I agree with you on pretty much everything but the conclusion. We tried to substitute manpower and money for a plan while playing against Hell and got rolled for it.

I think the smart thing to do would be to move our focus to Slaver's Bay and use minions to substitute for PC attention with the mortals instead, since that's a safer bet. Then we could make proper plans and actually get something for our money instead if throwing it around in a panic.

I don't think anyone really wants to do that though, not when we're so close to taking Westeros. That means we need to be planning on how we're going to fight devils after we lose the home field advantage.

I'm worried that if we leave it alone, or continue as we have, that the whole region will shoot past unrecoverable and straight to "Annex of Hell" status, at which point we're pretty fucked.
 
I'm genuinely not sure what to even say anymore at this point.

We can't even hope to take out any of the courts without full Companion battlegroups, intrigue efforts got us nothing, diplomacy even less then that.

At this point I'd rather invade Heavens Shore, since there we at least know where the eldritch holes in reality are and the stupidly powerful enemies are all bunched up in three key locations that can be planned around.
 
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That's going to be really hard to deal with.
I'm genuinely not sure what to even say anymore at this point.

We can't even hope to take out any of the courts without full Companion battlegroups, intrigue efforts got us nothing, diplomacy even less then that.

At this point I'd rather invade Heavens Shore, since there we at least know where the eldritch holes in reality are and the stupidly powerful enemies are all bunched up in three key locations that can be planned around.
The more we find out about the individual courts the more I'm at a loss as well. There are way too many high CR monsters for us to even think about spreading our forces thin.

And we don't even have anything on the court leaders, but I'm sure they're like CR 23 or something absurd like that.
 
I'm surprised the Court of Stars doesn't try to invade the entirety of Westeros with that kind of firepower.
That's my issue too. I'm not even sure if we could win with the full Companions against just the Gold Court.

Might as well write the Reach off as a lost cause. We haven't even been able to stop them from starting their planar merger plot, let alone reverse the footholds they got.
 
Okay, you know what?

Fuck it.
We are leaving 5 named Inquisitors on it, and mind dragons.

Everything else goes to CoS.
@Azel, get to planning.
I'm even more at a loss of how to handle CoS or Slavers' Bay than you, so whatever, I'll deter to your judgment this one time.
I feel only salt when I dont know how to handle such shit.

As a side note, I do think DP made Fey courts rather OP for how little they've done.
Where's the same sort of firepower in Orphne's Court, the one we control fully, again?
It is equal to at least one of CoS subcourts, is it not?
 
Okay, you know what?

Fuck it.
We are leaving 5 named Inquisitors on it, and mind dragons.

Everything else goes to CoS.
@Azel, get to planning.
I'm even more at a loss of how to handle CoS or Slavers' Bay than you, so whatever, I'll deter to your judgment this one time.
I feel only salt when I dont know how to handle such shit.

As a side note, I do think DP made Fey courts rather OP for how little they've done.
Where's the same sort of firepower in Orphne's Court, the one we control fully, again?
It is equal to at least one of CoS subcourts, is it not?
It isn't. In comparison the Orphne Court is far, far weaker than any of the Court of Star's subcourts.

Where are their CR 18+ Fey? I haven't seen any. And the Orphne Lord himself definitely isn't mythic.
 
Okay, you know what?

Fuck it.
We are leaving 5 named Inquisitors on it, and mind dragons.

Everything else goes to CoS.
@Azel, get to planning.
I'm even more at a loss of how to handle CoS or Slavers' Bay than you, so whatever, I'll deter to your judgment this one time.
I feel only salt when I dont know how to handle such shit.

As a side note, I do think DP made Fey courts rather OP for how little they've done.
Where's the same sort of firepower in Orphne's Court, the one we control fully, again?
It is equal to at least one of CoS subcourts, is it not?
I'm pretty sure the Orphne court has explicitly been weaker and younger than them since they were first introduced. The CoS is one of the few remaining major fey powers, while the OC is just a moderately powerful group of fey.

Considering that both of the other fey entities we know about in that classification have either become gods or the next best thing to one they aren't that unreasonable.

As to why they haven't conquered everything, it might just be that they want to establish a stronghold for winter before they do anything else. If the Reach works out for them they'll have the breathing room to consider their next steps.
 
Okay, you know what?

Fuck it.
We are leaving 5 named Inquisitors on it, and mind dragons.

Everything else goes to CoS.
@Azel, get to planning.
I'm even more at a loss of how to handle CoS or Slavers' Bay than you, so whatever, I'll deter to your judgment this one time.
I feel only salt when I dont know how to handle such shit.

As a side note, I do think DP made Fey courts rather OP for how little they've done.
Where's the same sort of firepower in Orphne's Court, the one we control fully, again?
It is equal to at least one of CoS subcourts, is it not?
Look. Even I can't pull a few Divine Salient grade Miracles out of my ass.

We are fucked. Simple as that. We can't possible take the Court of Stars in battle and they won't accept anything less then full control over the Reach, because why the hell should they settle for anything less when they outgun us by such a ridiculous margin?

And if we try to take Westeros without giving in to them, they will just invade the Prime Material during our invasion, wiping 2+ Legions in the process and probably conquering even more areas.

Even if every sub-court has only 3 of those CR 18 to 20 Fey in them plus the leader of the court, then that's 28 combatants on the level of Pit Fiends and above. The Queen doesn't even have to lift a finger here. We can't match that.

Either we give up on Westeros or we see if we can weedle a few dozen Pit Fiends out of Big Reds ass in return for letting him have Slavers Bay. I'm not really seeing any other options at this point.
 
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