It would be premature to move on the aquifer before learning the results of the other prong of our investigation. No telling how the additional info might change our plans or priorities.

[X] Wait to see the results of Melisandre's investigation before acting
 
Actually no, strike that. I'll have to do some research in the morning to see what Calculus actually is before deciding if it makes sense for you guys to have it from the valyrians or the sarnori.
 
Actually no, strike that. I'll have to do some research in the morning to see what Calculus actually is before deciding if it makes sense for you guys to have it from the valyrians or the sarnori.
I like the idea of it being stolen from Axis, but that's probably just me being weird. I imagine ancient proto-Valyrian agents breaking into a classroom for Axiomite 2nd graders and making off with their introductory math textbooks. Those dudes are made of math, IIRC.
 
I like the idea of it being stolen from Axis, but that's probably just me being weird. I imagine ancient proto-Valyrian agents breaking into a classroom for Axiomite 2nd graders and making off with their introductory math textbooks. Those dudes are made of math, IIRC.
I like the idea of math being stolen like Prometheus stole fire. :rofl:
 
No. Calculus was developed in the 17th century and is usually attributed to Isaac Newton.
From the age of Greek mathematics, Eudoxus (c. 408–355 BC) used the method of exhaustion, which foreshadows the concept of the limit, to calculate areas and volumes, while Archimedes (c. 287–212 BC) developed this idea further, inventing heuristics which resemble the methods of integral calculus.[6]

This is more what I was referring to, which is, yes, not the same as Calculus as would be derived from a later period and would come to be taught formally later on.

Mathematical theory from the Valyrians should be at least as advanced as the Greeks (and in general likely further than that as I can't imagine entities of Law being around which would not have made it easy to gain better grasp of something that would be useful for magic).
 
[] Wait to see the results of Melisandre's investigation before acting

[] Move on the aquifer
-[] Write in witch whom

[] Send in shadow spies

[] Write in
My first instinct was to wait, but they're probably aware that this merchant went down. At the very least we should send in spies.

It'd be convenient if we were allowed to have the agents poke Viserys for help so he could lay down a Superior Invisibility on the shadow spy.

[X] Send in shadow spies
 
@DragonParadox, @Duesal, @Crake
On the matter of computer evolution, I'd suggest this as reading material.

Starting with the Analytical Engine, you can speak of an actual computer. The likelihood of us developing one any time soon are pretty slim.
However, even a mechanical calculator would, assuming we can mass-produce it, be a game-changer in the realm of administration. In the real world, calculators didn't become commonplace until well into the 60s and 70s. Until then, even complex math for engineering projects was done by hand. Being able to do precise math at will is the nuclear bomb of engineering and economic related fields.

On that note, we should also spend some time developing the typewriter once we finally have the steam locomotive.
 
@DragonParadox, @Duesal, @Crake
On the matter of computer evolution, I'd suggest this as reading material.

Starting with the Analytical Engine, you can speak of an actual computer. The likelihood of us developing one any time soon are pretty slim.
However, even a mechanical calculator would, assuming we can mass-produce it, be a game-changer in the realm of administration. In the real world, calculators didn't become commonplace until well into the 60s and 70s. Until then, even complex math for engineering projects was done by hand. Being able to do precise math at will is the nuclear bomb of engineering and economic related fields.

On that note, we should also spend some time developing the typewriter once we finally have the steam locomotive.
What would be a good way to research stuff like that if we only have antiquity+ or ++ mathematical theory? The Valyrians had thousands of years to find easier ways to do math. Unless they had constructs do it for them, which would take just as long, and I don't see real theorists relying on proofs an artificial mind provided without checking the work, so I'm unsure how much time that would save.
 
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What would be a good way to research stuff like that if we only have antiquity+ or ++ mathematical theory? The Valyrians had thousands of years to find easier ways to do maylth. Unless they had constructs do it for them, which wouls take just as long, and I don't see real theorists relying on proofs a artificial mind provided without checking the work, so I'm unsure how much time that would save.
Do we have a university department for math yet? Otherwise, we will be pretty much stuck after the mechanical calculator since there's not really anything that would make the effort even necessary.
And for that, we will likely need a good bit of research.
 
Do we have a university department for math yet? Otherwise, we will be pretty much stuck after the mechanical calculator since there's not really anything that would make the effort even necessary.
And for that, we will likely need a good bit of research.
We should probably get an infopost on the sorts of things the University and the Scholarum actually focus on... But Math should absolutely be a priority for the University. Utterly vital for all things administration and logistics.

Hey... Do you think the Calligraphy Wyrms come with build in calculators? 🤔 We've been using them for all things administration for a while now.
 
We should probably get an infopost on the sorts of things the University and the Scholarum actually focus on... But Math should absolutely be a priority for the University. Utterly vital for all things administration and logistics.

Hey... Do you think the Calligraphy Wyrms come with build in calculators? 🤔 We've been using them for all things administration for a while now.
The term "Calculator" originally referred to a job, in which a person would do calculations for you against pay.

The Calligraphy Wyrm *is* a Calculator, using it's own intellect to do so. Obviously, they are good, but still fallible. Which is unacceptable.
 
The term "Calculator" originally referred to a job, in which a person would do calculations for you against pay.

The Calligraphy Wyrm *is* a Calculator, using it's own intellect to do so. Obviously, they are good, but still fallible. Which is unacceptable.
Then I'm with @One Autumn Leaf. As part of this let's dissect an Axiomite to jumpstart the building of our first proper calculating machine.
 
Aren't Axionmites critically endangered right now? Something about the LN plane's central machinery getting wrecked.
Yep. But considering we've got Grand Plans to make a new forge (see Smith's Hammer, see that Artifact Anvil in the Plane of Water being fought over by the Brine Dragon and the Marid) etc, we're probably going to have to capture and take one apart anyway to figure out how to make more of them. That being said there should be plenty of hostile ones.
 
Then I'm with @One Autumn Leaf. As part of this let's dissect an Axiomite to jumpstart the building of our first proper calculating machine.
I'm opposed to dissecting Axiomites. They're an arguably non-hostile Outsider type whose temperament and culture would do well within the Imperium. We should instead try to hire some of them as researchers or consultants.
 
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