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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Jack vile Ripper said:
With the way they approached their relationship, sadly she won't be living long enough to see the result of their union.
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Tomcost said:
She will live as long as she wants.

It is not like we can't provide the means to keep her alive
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Even without us providing reincarnation when she's ready for it, she's still got a good 30-40 years left in her original body. Greater Age Resistance on all of Sorcerer's Deep extends the durability of the elderly quite a bit.
 
Duesal said:
Even without us providing reincarnation when she's ready for it, she's still got a good 30-40 years left in her original body. Greater Age Resistance on all of Sorcerer's Deep extends the durability of the elderly quite a bit.
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By D&D rules, Humans normally cap out at 110 years of age. It would be neat if SD's Greater Age Resistance effect allowed those elderly folks living there to reach their maximum life span rather than merely alleviating the physical penalties of old age.

@DragonParadox, mechanically this should not matter, but the fluff would be cool if it worked this way.
 
Goldfish said:
By D&D rules, Humans normally cap out at 110 years of age. It would be neat if SD's Greater Age Resistance effect allowed those elderly folks living there to reach their maximum life span rather than merely alleviating the physical penalties of old age.

@DragonParadox, mechanically this should not matter, but the fluff would be cool if it worked this way.
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It's a combination of cheap and ready access to healing magic that allowed the Valyrians (nobles and the other elite anyway) to live a maximum of 120 years, rather than rolling 2d20 plus their natural 80.
 
Crake said:
It's a combination of cheap and ready access to healing magic that allowed the Valyrians (nobles and the other elite anyway) to live a maximum of 120 years, rather than rolling 2d20 plus their natural 80.
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Yeah, add healing magic to the mix and reaching one's maximum lifespan should be relatively simple.
 
@Goldfish whilst you are still here I wish to ask of you something regarding the mechanics (I'm a newbie and attempting to learn) of a spell.

Specifically, the spell that Lya used to make another copy of her (not the simulcarums).

1) What is the Spell's name? Because I've searched around the front page and still did not managed to find it.

2) How many body can it sustain? Could Lya be using said spell to craft 10 different bodies and not suffer any magical degradation?

3) Is the double technically an extension of her soul or did Lya just forged an identical personality of her own with every single feats and level, soul and all?

4) Is the double perfectly able to get affected by the Polymorph any Object Spell?

5) Please don't ask the reasoning behind Question #4.

Thank you very much. And I hope that I did not disturb you.
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
@Goldfish whilst you are still here I wish to ask of you something regarding the mechanics (I'm a newbie and attempting to learn) of a spell.

Specifically, the spell that Lya used to make another copy of her (not the simulcarums).

1) What is the Spell's name? Because I've searched around the front page and still did not managed to find it.

2) How many body can it sustain? Could Lya be using said spell to craft 10 different bodies and not suffer any magical degradation?

3) Is the double technically an extension of her soul or did Lya just forged an identical personality of her own with every single feats and level, soul and all?

4) Is the double perfectly able to get affected by the Polymorph any Object Spell?

5) Please don't ask the reasoning behind Question #4.

Thank you very much. And I hope that I did not disturb you.
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That's not a spell. Lya's ability to make duplicate bodies for herself, as well as the creation of her Arcanums, is tied to her Sage of Creation prestige class.

She can have additional duplicates, but the maximum is limited to four or five, I think. Creating them requires a significant XP expenditure, however, so she's been limited to one duplicate for the past couple months IC. All Lya's share the same soul.

We've kinda been pretending the Polymorph any Object spell doesn't exist, because some folks thought it was too powerful and open to exploitation, but there is nothing preventing such a spell from affecting I e of Lya's bodies except for the Beads of Newt Prevention all of our people use to prevent involuntarily Polymorphying.

No worries about disturbing me, dude. I don't mind answering any questions y'all might have.
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
1) What is the Spell's name? Because I've searched around the front page and still did not managed to find it.

2) How many body can it sustain? Could Lya be using said spell to craft 10 different bodies and not suffer any magical degradation?

3) Is the double technically an extension of her soul or did Lya just forged an identical personality of her own with every single feats and level, soul and all?

4) Is the double perfectly able to get affected by the Polymorph any Object Spell?

5) Please don't ask the reasoning behind Question #4.
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Here is a link to Lya's PrC where you can see the text of the ability. It's not a spell, and the bodies are extensions of her.
 
OK, I have enough ducks herded that I can write a bit. It will be a bit on the slow side at first while I get used to the keyboard. I got a Romanian keyboard with the PC (the old one will not work with it). Unfortunately I don't write in Romanian, but trying to explain that to the guy at the shop was beyond my powers so now I just have to memorize what does what without looking down

Vote not yet closed. I'll do an interlude for now while I try to get my firefox backup to actually work in the morning.
 
DragonParadox said:
OK, I have enough ducks herded that I can write a bit. It will be a bit on the slow side at first while I get used to the keyboard. I got a Romanian keyboard with the PC (the old one will not work with it). Unfortunately I don't write in Romanian, but trying to explain that to the guy at the shop was beyond my powers so now I just have to memorize what does what without looking down

Vote not yet closed. I'll do an interlude for now while I try to get my firefox backup to actually work in the morning.
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"Can I have an English keyboard?"

"Why?"

"I don't write in Romanian."

Guy, currently conversing in Romanian:
 
Goldfish said:
That's not a spell. Lya's ability to make duplicate bodies for herself, as well as the creation of her Arcanums, is tied to her Sage of Creation prestige class.

She can have additional duplicates, but the maximum is limited to four or five, I think. Creating them requires a significant XP expenditure, however, so she's been limited to one duplicate for the past couple months IC. All Lya's share the same soul.

We've kinda been pretending the Polymorph any Object spell doesn't exist, because some folks thought it was too powerful and open to exploitation, but there is nothing preventing such a spell from affecting I e of Lya's bodies except for the Beads of Newt Prevention all of our people use to prevent involuntarily Polymorphying.

No worries about disturbing me, dude. I don't mind answering any questions y'all might have.
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Much, much appreciated my friend. I was thinking of using the ability or some semblance of it in a future Fic of mine. So the information that you just gave me is so valuable (mainly because people tend to associate D&D with 5e and I only know 3.5 and Pathfinder).

Also, I didn't know that DP banned the PaO Spell. The more you know...

@Goldfish another Question for you.

1) Are there any Spell, Mythic Paths, Potions, Items, or Godly Intervention that makes it that you're able to Duplicate yourself. 2 Souls, 2 Body, same powers and personality-style.

2) If a Deity is so infatuated/is fond with a mortal, barring direct manifestation of their Avatar, what are the highest level of Interventions that they are able to use to protect you?

Say, ... (God, please don't judge me) *sigh* if it's Tiamat?

TalonofAnathrax said:
Here is a link to Lya's PrC where you can see the text of the ability. It's not a spell, and the bodies are extensions of her.
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Again, thank you very much for the source. I'll try to wrangle my head around it (after my 11th attempt to read past the first Chapter of the Core Rulebook).
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
1) Are there any Spell, Mythic Paths, Potions, Items, or Godly Intervention that makes it that you're able to Duplicate yourself. 2 Souls, 2 Body, same powers and personality-style.
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AFAIK, no. There was a level 9 arcane spell that allowed you to split your mind in two in one of the early Scarred Lands books (which were for D&D 3.0, not 3.5, and they might have been third party), and then I guess you could use a Mirror of Opposition to create a second body for yourself, and have one half of your mind use Magic Jar to control it. That way you could be in two bodies at once!
You'd have to find a way to make the "split your mind in two" spell last more than one round per caster level, but a Mystic Theurge with Alternate Spell Source and Divine Metamagic (with turning attempts from a level in Cleric or Sacred Exorcist dip or something) could make it last 24 hours, which isn't a bad start. Or there are Mythic abilities which could do the job (assuming the caster was Mythic Tier 4 and picked the right abilities, and had access to a Greater Metamagic Rod of Extend Spell).

Jack vile Ripper said:
2) If a Deity is so infatuated/is fond with a mortal, barring direct manifestation of their Avatar, what are the highest level of Interventions that they are able to use to protect you?

Say, ... (God, please don't judge me) *sigh* if it's Tiamat?
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Gods have Plot Magic (TM) and there are no actual limits on their abilities. Here is an example of an ability D&D Gods can use (yes, there was a splatbook that gave rules for Gods) :
Alter Reality
Prerequisite

Cha 29.

Benefit

This ability is similar to the wish spell. The deity merely thinks of something and then makes it so. Doing this requires at least a standard action.

Notes

The deity can duplicate any spell of 9th level or lower as a standard action. The duplicated spell has no material or XP component, and the DC of its saving throw (if one is allowed) is 20 + the deity's rank + the deity's Charisma modifier.


The deity also can duplicate a spell with any metamagic feat (so long as the metamagic feat is available to characters of 20th level or lower). This use of the ability requires the deity to rest for 1 round for each level that the feat would normally add to the spell. It still takes a standard action to use this ability, so there is no point in using the ability to duplicate a quickened spell.


The deity can render a magical or supernatural effect permanent. The rest requirement varies with the effect: 10 minutes per level of the effect times the number of subjects affected, 10 minutes per total Hit Dice of creatures affected, or 10 minutes per 10-foot cube affected. Use the highest applicable value.


The deity can create temporary, nonmagical objects. This works like the Create Object ability (including the required rest period), except that the items last one day per rank.


The deity also can create permanent nonmagical objects as if using the Create Object ability except that all rest requirements are doubled and there is no reduction in rest time for being on an Outer Plane or in the deity's own realm.


The deity can create temporary magic items or creatures. This works like the Divine Creation ability (including the required rest period), except that the items or creatures created last 1 hour per rank. This ability cannot create permanent magic items or creatures.


The deity can reshape a landscape, creating any type of terrain the deity can imagine. Each 10-foot cube of material to be reshaped requires 1 round of effort, and the deity must rest for one day per 10-foot cube shaped after the work is completed.

Suggested Portfolio Elements

Any.
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Jack vile Ripper said:
Much, much appreciated my friend. I was thinking of using the ability or some semblance of it in a future Fic of mine. So the information that you just gave me is so valuable (mainly because people tend to associate D&D with 5e and I only know 3.5 and Pathfinder).

Also, I didn't know that DP banned the PaO Spell. The more you know...

@Goldfish another Question for you.

1) Are there any Spell, Mythic Paths, Potions, Items, or Godly Intervention that makes it that you're able to Duplicate yourself. 2 Souls, 2 Body, same powers and personality-style.

2) If a Deity is so infatuated/is fond with a mortal, barring direct manifestation of their Avatar, what are the highest level of Interventions that they are able to use to protect you?

Say, ... (God, please don't judge me) *sigh* if it's Tiamat?

Again, thank you very much for the source. I'll try to wrangle my head around it (after my 11th attempt to read past the first Chapter of the Core Rulebook).
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DP hasn't outright banned it. We (the players) just agreed to not use eventually, after a lot of debate. I lost that one.

1) For outright creation of functional duplicates rather than lesser copies, there aren't many methods that come to mind. A Mirror of Opposition can do it (I really don't like these, BTW). The Bilocation spell and Fission psionic power can do it, too, though only for a very short duration. You could probably get up to some shenanigans with the Clone spell, but that would require soul manipulation similar to what Lya is capable of.

2) No clue. That's pretty inconsistently covered in D&D lore, IIRC. Generally, direct deific intervention is extremely rare, with most acts on their behalf being carried out by their Heralds, Avatars, or minions. Basically, they can manage as much intervention as you, the author, is willing to allow.
 
IMO there are usually ramifications for creating a copy of a individual touched by fate and destiny to the degree of a Companion or Viserys that it would usually have negative consequences rather than positive ones. To say nothing of all the regular, practical issues with the entire concept.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
AFAIK, no. There was a level 9 arcane spell that allowed you to split your mind in two in one of the early Scarred Lands books (which were for D&D 3.0, not 3.5, and they might have been third party), and then I guess you could use a Mirror of Opposition to create a second body for yourself, and have one half of your mind use Magic Jar to control it. That way you could be in two bodies at once!
You'd have to find a way to make the "split your mind in two" spell last more than one round per caster level, but a Mystic Theurge with Alternate Spell Source and Divine Metamagic (with turning attempts from a level in Cleric or Sacred Exorcist dip or something) could make it last 24 hours, which isn't a bad start. Or there are Mythic abilities which could do the job (assuming the caster was Mythic Tier 4 and picked the right abilities, and had access to a Greater Metamagic Rod of Extend Spell).
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Ah yes, that Item. I remembered it (well, remembered meme-ing it). It's devious. If I went through that route, I'd probably need to strip myself bare from any magical items though. But it's doable. Maintaining it, as you've said it, will be an issue. But I'm sure it'll be fine~.

TalonofAnathrax said:
Gods have Plot Magic (TM) and there are no actual limits on their abilities. Here is an example of an ability D&D Gods can use (yes, there was a splatbook that gave rules for Gods) :
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...ah, yeah. I forgot that Gods could just do that. Some of their Domain Spell are so OP as well. I need to re-read this...

Goldfish said:
DP hasn't outright banned it. We (the players) just agreed to not use eventually, after a lot of debate. I lost that one.
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Cheesing the system is always fun, so I get your meaning. We've still got a lot of toys to play :).

Goldfish said:
1) For outright creation of functional duplicates rather than lesser copies, there aren't many methods that come to mind. A Mirror of Opposition can do it (I really don't like these, BTW). The Bilocation spell and Fission psionic power can do it, too, though only for a very short duration. You could probably get up to some shenanigans with the Clone spell, but that would require soul manipulation similar to what Lya is capable of.
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I'm sure that after my subversion of the Overdeity, Ao and the Lady of Pain would add a few clause for me to do whatever the fuck I want so it's no biggie, man! :grin:
Goldfish said:
2) No clue. That's pretty inconsistently covered in D&D lore, IIRC. Generally, direct deific intervention is extremely rare, with most acts on their behalf being carried out by their Heralds, Avatars, or minions. Basically, they can manage as much intervention as you, the author, is willing to allow.
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Barring Omnipotence and things too far outside their domain as well, yes? Yeah, I would view it as bizarre and worrying if some Gods are blessing (and cursing to some) the very ground that a mortal tread upon.
Crake said:
IMO there are usually ramifications for creating a copy of a individual touched by fate and destiny to the degree of a Companion or Viserys that it would usually have negative consequences rather than positive ones. To say nothing of all the regular, practical issues with the entire concept.
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Then it's not an issue then. For the character I'm writing is not bound by fate and is invulnerable to any Scrying methods that are not physical or technological.

Seeing him with your two eyeball? Perfectly doable.
Using Divination to watch his every step? Perfectly invisible.

And it goes very downhill from there...
 
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DragonParadox said:
OK, I have enough ducks herded that I can write a bit. It will be a bit on the slow side at first while I get used to the keyboard. I got a Romanian keyboard with the PC (the old one will not work with it). Unfortunately I don't write in Romanian, but trying to explain that to the guy at the shop was beyond my powers so now I just have to memorize what does what without looking down

Vote not yet closed. I'll do an interlude for now while I try to get my firefox backup to actually work in the morning.
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I'm really happy that Spanish and English use the same alphabet. I wouldn't be able to post here so often otherwise.
 
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Interlude DCCCXLII: In False Shadow
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    • In False Shadow ​

    Third Day of the Second Month 294 AC

    Not lightly do travelers step from the wide road beneath the walls of black and gold wrought with images of monsters, not without fear in their hearts do men behold the City of Sorcerers wrought in ebony and gold. Bright burned the flames and swift danced the shadows as high above the gravid moon sailed like the single eye of some unknowable god. The merchants' voices were hushed and coin passed in haste as each one wished to be under a stout roof as soon as possible, and the more forethoughtful of them under wards as well in this world transformed. Yet for a company of seven that attached itself to the caravan late, for protection they said, in truth for anonymity, the shadows held no terrors but answers.

    It's as though we never left the woods, Garin Drekelis thought, halfway between concerned and confused. To his eyes the shadows here were green as those under the canopy of the Great Forest. It was as though its shadow realm had somehow poured over the city like water through a broken damn. At Kira's suggestion they had walked a while through the woods rather than simply appearing within the city, but there had been nothing there to see. No horrors had accosted them, no bandits or renegades, and now this. The city somehow now lived in its own shadow.


    "The boundaries are thin here," Xor said without sound as Garin went about the age old ritual of bribing the gate guards almost reflexively. An entirely honest traveler would stand out more than one with 'a few small things in their bags'.

    "I know the shadows aren't right," the High Inquisitor replied. He was a touch surprised Maelor had not noticed during his visit a few months back. The boy did have an affinity to shadows, if not as strong as Garin's own, but he should he should surely have felt this. Perhaps it was not as advanced then... like an infection. The thought was not a comforting one. However, the words Xor shared next faded it into insignificance.

    "No, the border of the Far Realm. I can feel angles beyond this Sphere half opened, I hear the dance of Higher Forms, only a whisper but..."

    Garin heard Nuri curse somewhere to his left, in the tongue of Yi Ti and likely strange to the ear of the guards. Liomond was still blessedly ignorant of the implications. It was Zavenia the mind dragon that gathered her wits first, likely because mind-speech was as natural to her as it was to the spectator. "What do they whisper of, Wisdom?"

    "The closest I can come to it in any tongue that men speak is... yearning... desire."

    The shadow mage caught the edges of a thought that might have been Xor trying to express himself not in a tongue that men could speak. It was a jagged pain against the edges of his mind, it was he roar of madness without sound. "And here I thought the monsters just wanting to eat all the world was the worst that could happen," he sent. Gallows humor was after all still better than none.

    Someone started laughing and it wasn't one of them, but one of the guards, and they laughed and laughed louder and louder, ignoring their fellows at first annoyed then increasingly fearful. Under the horrified gazes of the travelers the man gouged out both his eyes and then hands still covered in blood and vitreous fluid he called out: "Forth comes the Blind leading the Eyeless! Hail, hail!"

    The man fell to the ground twitching, and the worst part of the whole spectacle was that the guards were back to inspecting cargo in scarce thirty heartbeats. The poor bastard to merit no more notice than that. What had this city become?

    Garin shook himself, that was what they had com here to find out.

    OOC: I've had that pic for a while, it's an image of Qohor with a bit of the forest superimposed from a video. It was not easy to catch, but I figured eldritch truths deserved odd pics.
     
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    Someone started laughing and it wasn't one of them, but one of the guards and they laughed and laughed louder and louder, ignoring their fellows at first annoyed then increasingly fearful. Under the horrified gazes of the travelers the man gouged out both his eyes and then hands still covered in blood and vitreous fluid he called out: "Forth comes the Blind leading the Eyeless, Hail, Hail!"
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    Okay, that creeped the hell out of me, and for the rest of the guards this was Tuesday.

    Gentlemen, we might have to do something with Qohor sooner than we thought.
     
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