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[X] Meeting with Crimson Lotus about his needs in working against the Court of Stars
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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[X] meet crimson Lotus and start planning westeros's invasion. We know next winter will be brutal and modernising westeros will require a lot of time and resources.
It's not really that much cheaper than actually owning and adamantine mine (for slightly worse product), though thinking about it infinite volume is a bit of a problem. Not sure how to fix tthis without introducing another layer of complexity in the form of flesh forge production volume...
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We could vote for the twins too now.
Unless someone else has different suggestions, @Goldfish @TalonofAnathrax @Crake?
Unless someone else has different suggestions, @Goldfish @TalonofAnathrax @Crake?
Thinking about it, adamntine bone trading would just take up too much narative space to handle not to mention mechanical complexity and it's not like you guys put a lot of effort into it. I just made it one third more expensive than adamntine.
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I'd make it cost 25% more, which is 500 IM per pound, and call it a day. That's still a very powerful ability.
egoo
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Shall we assume illithids already have such capability, or should we try to keep whatever we grow as far away from other Fleshcrafters as possible?
I mean, this stuff could probably dump a lot of economy of the wider planes, since a fair amount of stuff is priced off the Adamantine..?
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Hence the need to make it strictly cost more then regular Adamantine to not arbitrarily mess up the entire planar economy with a one month research action.
Goldfish
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I've updated the Forge Mechanics page with the latest Forge upgrades.
Notable Forge Upgrades:
If a 100 pound Medium-sized creature is 15% skeleton, at 532 IM per pound it will cost +7,980 IM to grow it.
An 800 pound Large-sized creature with the same percentage of bone weight would cost +63,840 IM to grow. Each size increase is roughly doubling a creature's size, which in turn increase its weight by a factor of eight.
Extrapolating from these numbers and rounding, again for the sake of simplicity, we could have something like this:
Fine: +1.95 IM
Diminutive: +15.625 IM
Tiny: +125 IM
Small: +1,000 IM
Medium: +8,000 IM
Large: +64,000 IM
Huge: +512,000 IM
Gargantuan: +4,096,000 IM
Colossal: +32,768,000 IM
Obviously, even being conservative, the cost of making even a Large-size creature with leucrotta bones is completely impractical considering that growing a CR 15 servitor only costs 28,800 IM.
Medium-sized and smaller is more practical, if still quite expensive.
Notable Forge Upgrades:
- Leshy Cosmetic Alteration: The physical appearances of all types of Leshy grown in the Fungal Forge can be tailored for specific purposes, such as creating less inhuman visages to make integration into the Imperium less difficult.
- Leucrotta Bone: The Forges are capable of growing creatures which integrate the special properties of a Leucrotta jaw bone, which effectively mimics the properties of Adamantine (Hardness 20, 40 Hit Points per inch). Unlike Adamantine, however, this special type of bone is vulnerable to acid, which treats its Hardness as 10 rather than 20. Growing leucrotta bone costs 532 IM per round.
What about the cost increase of growing a creature with leucrotta bone? Cursory research pegs the weight of the skeletons of various creatures as all over the place. Some are 10%, some 15%, 16.5%, etc. For the sake of simplicity, can we assume 15% of a creature's total weight is due to its skeleton?
If a 100 pound Medium-sized creature is 15% skeleton, at 532 IM per pound it will cost +7,980 IM to grow it.
An 800 pound Large-sized creature with the same percentage of bone weight would cost +63,840 IM to grow. Each size increase is roughly doubling a creature's size, which in turn increase its weight by a factor of eight.
Extrapolating from these numbers and rounding, again for the sake of simplicity, we could have something like this:
Fine: +1.95 IM
Diminutive: +15.625 IM
Tiny: +125 IM
Small: +1,000 IM
Medium: +8,000 IM
Large: +64,000 IM
Huge: +512,000 IM
Gargantuan: +4,096,000 IM
Colossal: +32,768,000 IM
Obviously, even being conservative, the cost of making even a Large-size creature with leucrotta bones is completely impractical considering that growing a CR 15 servitor only costs 28,800 IM.
Medium-sized and smaller is more practical, if still quite expensive.
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Goldfish
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I've completely forgotten what class they have (Druid?). They're level 5, right? And Greenseer isn't a specific PrC with qualifications we have to build towards?
That makes sense yeah, no need to make things too complex.
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@DragonParadox, why 133%? Making it 125% = 500 IM / pound is a lot less awkward.
Goldfish
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It's 2,000 gold per pound, which would normally be equivalent to 400 IM. I'm extraplanar trade currency that would be 200 Glass Scepters or Wind Notes, right?
Here are the two posts I tracked down to confirm the pricing since my memory is son spotty. If we used something different, I can update the Forge Mechanics page again.
Crake
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@DragonParadox @Azel @Goldfish
Knew that was a suspicious numerical error. MIND LIKE A FUCKING STEEL TRAP.
We pegged Adamantine by Pathfinder prices since we wanted to keep the prices of magic items from the SRD. Which is 340 gp (D&D value) /Ib of Adamantine.
IE 68 IM / Ib.
So 25% more would be 85 IM / Ib of bone, significantly less.
You're welcome for my AWESOME MEMORY.
Knew that was a suspicious numerical error. MIND LIKE A FUCKING STEEL TRAP.
We pegged Adamantine by Pathfinder prices since we wanted to keep the prices of magic items from the SRD. Which is 340 gp (D&D value) /Ib of Adamantine.
IE 68 IM / Ib.
So 25% more would be 85 IM / Ib of bone, significantly less.
You're welcome for my AWESOME MEMORY.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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That can't be right... if it was though, congratulations, because we are then significantly richer after I update the spreadsheets. You can search through the thread to find the citation for Pathfinder pricing, because that is what we have been using for a significant portion of the quest.
OK changing, no reason to make stuff harder to calculate.
Goldfish
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No, you're right. I just looked it up. Adamantine is 300 gold per pound, or 60 IM.
I'll fix the Forge Mechanics page shortly.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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340, @Goldfish. We definitely pegged it at that price. I can find the quote, but if you found the info earlier in the thread than that, ignore it because I'm pretty sure it was resultant of discussion on DP arbitrarily pricing things because he didn't want to model the economy at the time.
Goldfish
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Okay, that works, too.
Here's the updated numbers for using leucrotta bone. I wouldn't use it for anything past Medium-size, though Large-size is not completely ridiculous for a special project.
- Leucrotta Bone: The Forges are capable of growing creatures which integrate the special properties of a Leucrotta jaw bone, which effectively mimics the properties of Adamantine(Hardness 20, 40 Hit Points per inch). Unlike Adamantine, however, this special type of bone is vulnerable to acid, which treats its Hardness as 10 rather than 20. Growing leucrotta bone costs 75 IM per round.
- Additional Cost by Creature Size:
- Fine: +0.2734 IM
- Diminutive: +2.1875 IM
- Tiny: +17.5 IM
- Small: +140.625 IM
- Medium: +1,125 IM
- Large: +9,000 IM
- Huge: +72,000 IM
- Gargantuan: +576,000 IM
- Colossal: +4,608,000 IM
- Additional Cost by Creature Size:
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No. It was an even sum and 60 IM sounds right.
Let me dig up the table.
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Alternate Crafting Rules – d20PFSRD
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Easily worked Adamantine is 600 GP.
Regular is thus 300 GP.
Which is 60 IM.
Edit: Please let's just stay with round values instead of awkward 64 IM.