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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Crake said:
*sigh*

I'm never editing a vote at the last second without paneling it in the thread first. I you can't trust yourself, though, you probably shouldn't write plans...

I'mma take a break for a bit.
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...I'm a bit baffled at how much salt you are experiencing over this, but okay.

I'm in jo position to judge, anyway, remembering my... less-than-stellar moments around here.

Overall though, I dont think we fucked up anywhat by offering it?
The ring is still preferable to the regular Mindblank - it is downright cheaper a spending on a nearly-irrelevant character, with very few beings having the ability, let alone interest, in overcoming it.

EDIT: Yeah, alright, whatever
 
egoo said:
...I'm a bit baffled at how much salt you are experiencing over this, but okay.

I'm in jo position to judge, anyway, remembering my... less-than-stellar moments around here.

Overall though, I dont think we fucked up anywhat by offering it?
The ring is still preferable to the regular Mindblank - it is downright cheaper a spending on a nearly-irrelevamt character, with very few beings having the ability, let alone interest, in overcoming it.
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You really aren't in any position to judge whatsoever so please don't.

I'm mad more at myself than Goldfish, because it was incredibly stupid of me to not think of the consequences which are incredibly obvious in hindsight.
 
DragonParadox said:
Sorry for not warning you, I was distracted last night. Viserys' wisdom can't really be any higher than mine rolls or no. :oops:

Do you guys want a minor ret-con?
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I don't want to not offer the possibly blood magic ring to him. That's old hat for us and we are very public about our blood magic.

I just would like to say "Hey, Owen, this shit isn't 100% up to spec. But here, take a look."
 
I'm still iffy on why he needs a Mindblank at all when we didn't use this degree of OpSec with other Reacher Lords before.
 
DragonParadox said:
Do you guys want a minor ret-con?
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Yes. Because our viewpoint character would think about that. And he also wouldn't phrase it like 'for unimportant persons that's good enough.'
Edit: I know, that reasoning opens the doors to further ones with the argument 'Viserys would never ... '.
 
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I would also favor a minor retcon, mostly because this was a totally avoidable goof which would make sense to recitify.
 
MTB said:
Yes. Because our viewpoint character would think about that. And he also wouldn't phrase it like 'for unimportant persons that's good enough.'
Edit: I know, that reasoning opens the doors to further ones with the argument 'Viserys would never ... '.
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Yeah, I'm okay with gaffes, or even having to own up to the fact that we aren't very circumspect about using gear that is made from the literal agonized screams of the innocent.

But not about dealing in bad faith!
 
Crake said:
Because he's incredibly in deep with the Fey, as opposed to every other Lord who keeps them at arms length.
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So? Working against the Fey remains working against the Fey, so I don't see the point in masking only one part of the operation.

Especially with Ashford turning Mindblanked being a major red flag in of itself for us having turned him. A Mindblank doesn't magically remove our enemies ability to think. It's not the "I WIN!"-button for Intrigue.
 
Azel said:
So? Working against the Fey remains working against the Fey, so I don't see the point in masking only one part of the operation.

Especially with Ashford turning Mindblanked being a major red flag in of itself for us having turned him. A Mindblank doesn't magically remove our enemies ability to think. It's not the "I WIN!"-button for Intrigue.
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It's also incredibly easier to turn someone irrelevant to those who recognize your patterns due to spending inordinate amounts of time around you, agents embedded in your life at all corners. He needs a leg up compared to the other Lords if we're going to bother using him as an asset, since now he can act in ways they can try to predict... except when we introduce variable elements like resources he didn't have before.

I can't see that being too compelling an argument since we don't have to rely on Owen, we could always just wage counter-insurgency warfare against them with biological weapons, but you know, to each their own.
 
Crake said:
It's also incredibly easier to turn someone irrelevant to those who recognize your patterns due to spending inordinate amounts of time around you, agents embedded in your life at all corners. He needs a leg up compared to the other Lords if we're going to bother using him as an asset, since now he can act in ways they can try to predict... except when we introduce variable elements like resources he didn't have before.

I can't see that being too compelling an argument since we don't have to rely on Owen, we could always just wage counter-insurgency warfare against them with biological weapons, but you know, to each their own.
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He is surrounded on all sides by Fey. He can't fart without the CoS knowing about it.

How exactly is he supposed to be an intrigue asset? My impression was that we are here to ensure he doesn't want to fight us, thus hobbling the Tyrells efforts to mobilize and potentially being a propaganda asset for us if the CoS murders him.

Everything above that is reaching. He isn't going to be useful as an active agent. You couldn't even hide a Cold Iron sword in his keep, let alone assets of value, without the Brownies or divinations sniffing them out. For all we know the Mindblank is worthless because that talisman the CoS gave him serves as a backdoor.
 
I agree with Azel, some people just aren't suited to being Intrigue Assets for various reasons.

Lord Ashford is too far in bed with the Court of Stars to be a viable option at this point.
 
Crake said:
No, his mother has less bearing on what we can do with the Fey than Lord Owen himself.
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She is the more willing asset though and can deliver us useful information just fine. Even more so if she is in the Feywild and can tell us about the CoS actions at home. Once we have a better picture of what happens behind the scenes we can see where to go from there.

What is it that you want Owen to do in the first place?
 
Probably lead a faction of moderates that we can winnow the more amiable fey towards cooperating with to make "fight to the last" less appealing an option for certain elements in the Court of Stars.

Look, that's all just playing it by ear though, we aren't committed to do anything with Lord Ashford yet.

We could just do nothing and mention something else suitably sensitive but not super important, to make offering one of the highest mental protections seem less histrionic.
 
Crake said:
*sigh*

I'm never editing a vote at the last second without paneling it in the thread first. If you can't trust yourself, though, you probably shouldn't write plans...

I'mma take a break for a bit.
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Crake said:
Also your addition to the plan solves nothing. We can claim anything we want after getting "caught" with our hand in the cookie jar.

The only thing that makes this just a slight gaffe rather than incriminating outright is the fact that if we wanted to curse or mind control him, we could easily do that without giving him an expensive prop.

It does not, in fact, solve the problem of making it look like we wanted to introduce an inherent flaw in his mental defenses which we could later exploit, however.
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I'm sorry. Didn't mean to cause any issues. :(
 
Crake said:
Probably lead a faction of moderates that we can winnow the more amiable fey towards cooperating with to make "fight to the last" less appealing an option for certain elements in the Court of Stars.

Look, that's all just playing it by ear though, we aren't committed to do anything with Lord Ashford yet.

We could just do nothing and mention something else suitably sensitive but not super important, to make offering one of the highest mental protections seem less histrionic.
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Then I'd go with sharing "worries" that "some of the Fey" are plotting something and we came to him because he might have enough clout in the Feywild to find out more. Present it as us being worried that a minority might damage the fragile human-fey peace and that the court at large might be covering it up out of fear how humans might react.

That's sensible, sends him onto a useful trajectory and ultimately costs us nothing. At the same time, he might spread the tale to trusted associates and leave a mess for the CoS to tiptoe around.

I'd still recruit his mother though. More eyes and ears never hurt.
 
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