And man it's nice to see an ASOIAF story that treats Mel, as well human instead of just one dimensional BURN BURN BURN
Thing is no one has a hope in hell of seeing past her mask in canon.

Here she's surrounded by canny-as-hell and equally powerful mages and people used to seeing through lies spoken from the lips of masterful fiends.
 
Stealing Chains

Seventh Day of the Twelfth Month 293 AC

For all that she valued her art with the fierce possessive pride of a treasure that could never be taken from her, Siduri of Dis had to admit there were a few unfortunate limitations to the weaving of enchantment. Firstly, the unfortunate fact that most could be thrown off with a sufficient effort of will, and not just by beings mighty or strong in magic. In the Academy, she had seen starving slaves throw off shackles forged by master sorcerers, not often in the grand scheme of things, but often enough, about one time out of every twenty. If one planned to snare a ship or three, twenty was not an unreasonable number of officers to mind, and the Heir of Iblis was not in the habit of using starving slaves as officers. No, he used very well fed slaves that dined on man-flesh, usually figuratively, though not always.

Fortunately, a geas allowed not even the strongest of will to deny its touch... if only the target was unfortunate or otherwise restrained for the full ten minute long ritual it was required to place it. Killing an Efreeti officer was usually hard enough. Restraining one for that amount of time on their own ship would be an exercise in madness without a different sort of binding in play.

The sorceress took a long look at the sword ship just barely visible through the haze of ash and smoke. In the distance she could hear the parting calls of the whale pods that had helped the Golden Wind scout for it. They would not fight, of course, these were not their wars, but they were grateful enough to Yrten, Siduri, and their patron for setting up gem harvesting to keep an eye on things.

"Such beautiful songs His children sing," the priestess with hair of flame and cloak of shadow said wistfully.

"Are you ready for this?" Siduri asked. "If something goes wrong on your end..."

"Then we shall 'only' have a dragon sorceress to aid us while I make our escape," Lady Melisandre said dryly, motioning to the blue-grey dragon perched watchfully on her shoulder. Siduri was not quite sure how old the priestess was, though she suspected far older than she looked, and on a world that had been living on dregs of magic until a few scant years ago, that was no small thing. For just a moment, however, the spark of excitement in her eyes made her seem truly as young and carefree as a raider on her first looting. The moment passed, and the mask she wore as easily as Yrten wore his armor fixed itself in place. And then the shadows twisted and they were away...

***​

"By the Will of R'hllor who is Fire, obey!" the blessed amulet in the priestess' hand bled crimson light through her fingers and the Efreeti could do nothing but heed her words, for the very fire in his veins compelled him beyond the power of any talisman to ward, as thoroughly ensnared as Siduri would have managed for a common merchant captain.

"Sit," she commanded. As the officer sat, Siduri recited the ritual of geas and at its height a command she doubted he had expected: "You will obey your captain orders given from this moment forth to the letter and the spirit, in mind and in deed never wavering from your duty, never questioning his orders or his person."

The best of gaesa did not go against the grain, against prior oath and character, but enforced them. Unlike with true domination, the enchanter could not adjust the reins in motion.

On they went through every last senior officer, past traps and tricks, past wards and far too close an encounter with a trio of fire giants who almost literally tripped over them in the tight corridors, but in the end they bound all eight of the officers to tightest obedience to their own captain. Then, after drawing the captain into his cabin with a touch of commotion from Zavaenia, they snared him too. Him Melisandre kept, for now.

The whole ship was snared as surely as a sparkfin on a line, and with the officers compelled to obey their captain without question, no matter how odd the orders he might give, there was far less of a danger of that eternal bane of enchanters, someone close to their victims removing the leverage they had, either by magic or by withdrawing support.

"A good job on the first ship, but from what I heard of the admiral the brass bastard sent out here, he will not be as easily bound," Siduri warned.

"He'd better be. I'd hate to have nothing to do while you two snare the whole fleet, ship by ship, and squadron by squadron."

OOC: The idea is to use geas to bind everyone below whoever is technically and officially in charge of whatever group they subverted to unquestioning obedience of that hierarchy and have Mel puppet that one with her command elemental supernatural ability. Said ability scoffs at most protections from enchantment because it's not even a spell. Siduri could do this trick on her own, but she just does not have the HD to command rather than rebuke Efreeti. Of course even Mel would not quite manage that if she did not have a magic item which increases her HD by 3 for the purposes of commanding fire elemetals. Only a brief mention of whales unfortunately, they would not really fit with Sidur's flow of consciousness. I'll get those numbers up tomorrow. Not yet edited
Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.

Damn, dude, this was a great interlude. Mellisandre is going to end up being the monster Efreeti mothers use to frighten their children into behaving.
 
Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.

Damn, dude, this was a great interlude. Mellisandre is going to end up being the monster Efreeti mothers use to frighten their children into behaving.
No way, she's only a terror to people who are supporting the Sultan, and we sure aren't letting Efreeti mothers, raise their children to be loyal to the previous administration and hate us.

Any Efreeti telling their children about the terrible Melisandre, will be declared bad parents and have their children taken away, they don't get to raise their children on stories demonizing the Imperium.

Yes this is kind of extreme, but we wouldn't let people telling how terrible we are, for sacrificing Daemons raise children either now would we? They don't have to like us, but downright raising their children, to see us as the monsters under the bed, is inspiring treason in the next generation.

I don't approve of going Big Brother controlfreak, but I don't approve of not rooting out people who reminisce about the good old days, where you could relieve your boredom by buying and torturing a slave either, we need a middle road, where we aren't downright telling people what to think, but aren't allowing them to infect the next generation, with dreams of enslaving and torturing others.

And part of that is not letting them demonize the heroes of the Imperium, in the minds of the next generation.

We don't need things like the US south, where there are still lots of people dreaming about the good old days, before the North forced them to stop enslaving black people, and that mean preventing them, from passing their prejudices on to the next generation.
 
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No way, she's only a terror to people who are supporting the Sultan, and we sure aren't letting Efreeti mothers, raise their children to be loyal to the previous administration and hate us.

Any Efreeti telling their children about the terrible Melisandre, will be declared bad parents and have their children taken away, they don't get to raise their children on stories demonizing the Imperium.

Yes this is kind of extreme, but we wouldn't let people telling how terrible we are, for sacrificing Daemons raise children either now would we? They don't have to like us, but downright raising their children, to see us as the monsters under the bed, is inspiring treason in the next generation.

I don't approve of going Big Brother controlfreak, but I don't approve of not rooting out people who reminisce about the good old days, where you could relieve your boredom by buying and torturing a slave either, we need a middle road, where we aren't downright telling people what to think, but aren't allowing them to infect the next generation, with dreams of enslaving and torturing others.

And part of that is not letting them demonize the heroes of the Imperium, in the minds of the next generation.

We don't need things like the US south, where there are still lots of people dreaming about the good old days, before the North forced them to stop enslaving black people, and that mean preventing them, from passing their prejudices on to the next generation.
Goldfish was obviously joking, tarrangar.
 
I can't wait to see how many Efreeti ships Melisandre's group is able to subvert. This is amazing.
 
Do efriti count as elementals for the purpose of control elemental.

And moral questions, so we have no compunction about mind controling people now, because that no slavery thing is pretty big part of our characters and this just a blatant violation of that. Does dany not know about this.
@DragonParadox How is viseryis justifying this to dany.

Because if this is fine we can just gate in devils and have them obey us forever. With no save and shit. We would have squadrons of pitfiends.
 
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Do efriti count as elementals for the purpose of control elemental.

And moral questions, so we have no compunction about mind controling people now, because that no slavery thing is pretty big part of our characters and this just a blatant violation of that. Does dany not know about this.
@DragonParadox How is viseryis justifying this to dany.
This isn't slavery, slavery would be profiting off of them. This is just war.
 
This isn't slavery, slavery would be profiting off of them. This is just war.
Alright so we are deluding ourselves with semantics. Thats great. Now tell that to dany.
and we are profiting of it. Like our entire war has been about plundering the sultan.
And by that logic the unsullied are not slaves.
 
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Alright so we are deluding ourselves with semantics. Thats great. Now tell that to dany.
and we are profiting of it. Like our entire war has been about plundering the sultan.
*sigh*
1. We have used Geas in the past. Dany herself geassed Bronn as a precaution before we were sure he'd stay true to his word.
2. We have mind-controlled well before this. That was how we extorted all that Intel our of that Mindflayer Wizard who set Sorcerer's Deep on fire.
3. Profit is a happy side-effect. It is not the main motivation for the war, and it never was.
 
Alright so we are deluding ourselves with semantics. Thats great. Now tell that to dany.
and we are profiting of it. Like our entire war has been about plundering the sultan.
And by that logic the unsullied are not slaves.
I don't know where you're getting that this is anywhere like slavery, dude. They're under the effects of a spell. We've used spells, some of which could be classified as mind control, on enemies for years now. And make no mistake, the Efreeti are our enemies.
 
At best, refusal to use compulsion as a tactic is hamstringing us needlessly. If it leads to a group of soldiers throwing their lives away by leading their fellows into an ambush they cannot hope to survive, academically it is no different than those circumstances revealing themselves through smoke and mirrors alone, and no magic to make it happen.

By the same token while it is true that they aren't a volunteer force and thus "knew the risks", there are no articles of war binding us that we ourselves do not make. Nowhere in the spheres is this not the case.

War is hell.
 
*sigh*
1. We have used Geas in the past. Dany herself geassed Bronn as a precaution before we were sure he'd stay true to his word.
2. We have mind-controlled well before this. That was how we extorted all that Intel our of that Mindflayer Wizard who set Sorcerer's Deep on fire.
3. Profit is a happy side-effect. It is not the main motivation for the war, and it never was.
Its not about the spell, its how ypu use it.
If you are placing a geas on the condition that they have to obey our every order, that is very much slavery its the same thing except for whips we are using magic.
Taking prisoners in a time of war is not slavery, as you do not intend to sell them or make them work for you. Dany knows that.
What do you mean. From the chapter it looked like that they intended to use these people against the sultan. If that is not the case then i might be mistaken.
 
Its not about the spell, its how ypu use it.
If you are placing a geas on the condition that they have to obey our every order, that is very much slavery its the same thing except for whips we are using magic.

What do you mean. From the chapter it looked like that they intended to use these people against the sultan. If that is not the case then i might be mistaken.
We're using the spell to damage the incredibly powerful naval forces of the most prolific slavers in existence, who also happen to use ground up souls as currency.

Most of the victims aren't even being forced to do anything they wouldn't already be doing as Efreeti serving aboard one of their ships. They're obeying their captain's orders, which they are already obliged to do, with failure to do so typically resulting in some manner of "fate worse than death". Effectively, the only being on the ship truly being forced to act against its expected norm will be the captain who is being more directly controlled.
 
What do you mean. From the chapter it looked like that they intended to use these people against the sultan. If that is not the case then i might be mistaken.

Enchanting enemy soldiers (officers to be exact) for the purposes of prosecuting a war is not the same as owning selling and generally making use of the labor of sentient beings in a time of peace. It's not a perfect distinction, but if you are going to say this is slavery than Viserys casting Dominate person of that Tyroshi daemon summoner to get him to write a book is also slavery and that is expanding the notion to cover a very wise scale of enchantment use.
 
We're using the spell to damage the incredibly powerful naval forces of the most prolific slavers in existence, who also happen to use ground up souls as currency.

Most of the victims aren't even being forced to do anything they wouldn't already be doing as Efreeti serving aboard one of their ships. They're obeying their captain's orders, which they are already obliged to do, with failure to do so typically resulting in some manner of "fate worse than death". Effectively, the only being on the ship truly being forced to act against its expected norm will be the captain who is being more directly controlled.
I know why we are doing what we are doing but it doesn't excuse if we enslaved every enemy.

They maybe obliged to obey anyway, but you using magic to force them obey your orders is still slavery. I could accept this if we were going to imprison them, but if they go do what we tell them to do and do dangerous things that we told them to do it is still slavery.

Let me explain my thoughts with an example.
You capture a ship of pirates on the sea. You strap a pistol to their heads and tell them to follow the captian. Who has no free will anymore and obeys your every word.

How is that not slavery.
 
Enchanting enemy soldiers (officers to be exact) for the purposes of prosecuting a war is not the same as owning selling and generally making use of the labor of sentient beings in a time of peace. It's not a perfect distinction, but if you are going to say this is slavery than Viserys casting Dominate person of that Tyroshi daemon summoner to get him to write a book is also slavery and that is expanding the notion to cover a very wise scale of enchantment use.
I would be perfectly happy with thag definition. But this isn't about me. I just feel like viseryis and dany should atleast talk about this IC. Because this seems very odd to me .
 
Its not about the spell, its how ypu use it.
If you are placing a geas on the condition that they have to obey our every order, that is very much slavery its the same thing except for whips we are using magic.

What do you mean. From the chapter it looked like that they intended to use these people against the sultan. If that is not the case then i might be mistaken.
I know why we are doing what we are doing but it doesn't excuse if we enslaved every enemy.

They maybe obliged to obey anyway, but you using magic to force them obey your orders is still slavery. I could accept this if we were going to imprison them, but if they go do what we tell them to do and do dangerous things that we told them to do it is still slavery.

Let me explain my thoughts with an example.
You capture a ship of pirates on the sea. You strap a pistol to their heads and tell them to follow the captian. Who has no free will anymore and obeys your every word.

How is that not slavery.
Let me put it this way -- even Dany doesn't see this as slavery. This is part of prosecuting a war against one of the scariest most evil empires in existence.

If you want to stick to your guns and still call it slavery, fine, but they don't see it that way.
 
You are somehow managing to make us look more guilty than the actual slavers who are using these Janissary soldiers to fight a war for the glory and empowerment of a mad tyrant.

We are doing exactly enough to these soldiers in the context of arranging strategic conditions on the battlefield. If that is slavery, Asmodeus is a freedom fighter.
 
I know why we are doing what we are doing but it doesn't excuse if we enslaved every enemy.

They maybe obliged to obey anyway, but you using magic to force them obey your orders is still slavery. I could accept this if we were going to imprison them, but if they go do what we tell them to do and do dangerous things that we told them to do it is still slavery.

Let me explain my thoughts with an example.
You capture a ship of pirates on the sea. You strap a pistol to their heads and tell them to follow the captian. Who has no free will anymore and obeys your every word.

How is that not slavery.
I disagree with your interpretation of the situation and have explained why I disagree. We're going to have to agree to disagree on the subject.
I would be perfectly happy with thag definition. But this isn't about me. I just feel like viseryis and dany should atleast talk about this IC. Because this seems very odd to me .
I don't think you have a good understanding of their characters if you think either Dany or Viserys will be even slightly bothered by this.
 
I disagree with your interpretation of the situation and have explained why I disagree. We're going to have to agree to disagree on the subject.

I don't think you have a good understanding of their characters if you think either Dany or Viserys will be even slightly bothered by this.
I know for fact that dany will. I remember it being one of the reason why we couldn't simply gate in whatever we wanted. Otherwise we should start Summoning the pit fiends.
 
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