You thought process is alien and doesn't make sense to either of us. We do not see the difference. Move your mental model of us based on that understanding.
Alright, let me try that again...

Archfiends: Have nigh-unlimited numbers of minions.
Archfiends: Generally don't care for minions being summoned/killed long as it isn't in massive numbers and/or those aren't powerful minions and/or the minions aren't called off important missions.

We: Summon Devils of Mammon's en-masse, likely infringing upon his sensitive operations at least every now and again, while keeping ourselves a fine amount of somewhat-recent intel from said Devils.
We: Also summon Devils and various other Outsiders known by True Names to those we kill/capture - because True Names indicate close enough relationship for said Outsiders being minions, co-conspirators, etc.
We: Only go "one step removed" questioning-and-summoning for those Outsiders that aren't Mammon's.
We: Can probably summon some Devils of Archfiends that aren't Asmodeus and Mammon safely enough, long as we don't go off a tangent and start rampantly applying the same "SUMMON EVERYONE!"-filter we apply to Mammon's Devils.

Remember, Devils are assholes, even Bel.
I don't want to risk it with Devils known by that fuckface of an Advodaza, whom we know for having been planning his return to Plane Material for some while- before we bullshit-summoned him via Yss.
We should be glad he had so few minions/acquaintances - but we definitely shouldn't skip on eliminating those.
 
@egoo
Kinda disagree here:
ecause True Names indicate close enough relationship for said Outsiders being minions, co-conspirators, etc.
These True Names could have been aquired anywhere over millenia of intrigue, backstabbing and more or less temporary alliances.

All Bel will know is that someone made a few of his minions dissapear from their post and once they reform he'll know we did it.
Now this isn't a serious loss, as you said he has countless minions, but it's still interrupting his warmachine, maybe it costs another devil who relied on these Chainweavers his live permanently (as devils killed in Hell stay dead).
So it might get marked down as a minor grudge.

No reason to risk that for a few HD.
 
This is why i didn't want blanket background votes for summoning. We should handle it like we do growing shit in the forges.
 
Alright, let me try that again...

Archfiends: Have nigh-unlimited numbers of minions.
Archfiends: Generally don't care for minions being summoned/killed long as it isn't in massive numbers and/or those aren't powerful minions and/or the minions aren't called off important missions.

We: Summon Devils of Mammon's en-masse, likely infringing upon his sensitive operations at least every now and again, while keeping ourselves a fine amount of somewhat-recent intel from said Devils.
We: Also summon Devils and various other Outsiders known by True Names to those we kill/capture - because True Names indicate close enough relationship for said Outsiders being minions, co-conspirators, etc.
We: Only go "one step removed" questioning-and-summoning for those Outsiders that aren't Mammon's.
We: Can probably summon some Devils of Archfiends that aren't Asmodeus and Mammon safely enough, long as we don't go off a tangent and start rampantly applying the same "SUMMON EVERYONE!"-filter we apply to Mammon's Devils.

Remember, Devils are assholes, even Bel.
I don't want to risk it with Devils known by that fuckface of an Advodaza, whom we know for having been planning his return to Plane Material for some while- before we bullshit-summoned him via Yss.
We should be glad he had so few minions/acquaintances - but we definitely shouldn't skip on eliminating those.
If I'm understanding you right, your reasoning is that if servants of Asmodeus or Mammon know the True Name of a devil in service of some other Lord of Hell then that other Lord probably doesn't care about the secondary devil anyway. So long as we're don't interrogate the non-Asmodeus or Mammon aligned devil for True Names then their Lord is just going to write them off as the cost of doing business. That Lord might know we're responsible, but the fault is going to either fall on the idiot that traded its True Name away or the other Lord of Hell for using us as a cat's paw.

You know what? That is logic I can get behind.
 
Fucking fine, whatever.
I'll remove them, if y'all so worried about how an Archfiend views us.

Bah.

It seems OOC to worry about 5 Devils when we, likely, summoned far more before we had DP adding (Mammon/Asmodeus/etc) to any given group, but whatever.
So long as we're don't interrogate the non-Asmodeus or Mammon aligned devil for True Names then their Lord is just going to write them off as the cost of doing business. That Lord might know we're responsible, but the fault is going to either fall on the idiot that traded its True Name away or the other Lord of Hell for using us as a cat's paw.
Pretty much that too, yes.

This is why i didn't want blanket background votes for summoning. We should handle it like we do growing shit in the forges.
If ya want adding more stuff to vote on, and spending more screen-time on summoning (and I've been led to believe it is uneventful, and quickly bores people) - feel free.
I can guarantee 3-6 chapters a month dedicated to that alone, tho.

I'm doing this as best as I can taking everyone's feedback, walking back on summoning Asmodeus' forces last month, and this now too.

I'll go doing it either way, but as it is now, only my time is spent trying to keep things efficient and IC, instead of everyone's time.

G'night now.
 
It seems OOC to worry about 5 Devils when we, likely, summoned far more before we had DP adding (Mammon/Asmodeus/etc) to any given group, but whatever.
That is just an assumption, though Egoo. We've only known Mammon being active thus far, with everyone else being a "contact of a contact", up until Asmodeus involved himself, likely as a direct reaction to our dealing with Mammon and thrashing his operations thoroughly.
 
If ya want adding more stuff to vote on, and spending more screen-time on summoning
This is another annoying misinterpretation of intent, but okay, I'll field it. I think that summoning alien monsters that pollute the world by their very presence deserves more focus and less handwaving. That's a failing on my part for not calling @DragonParadox out on it but he does legitimately manage dozens of things at any one time and some things fall to the wayside.

And it wasn't particularly important to me until I saw that our decision making is being partitioned into some kind of pseudo hind-brain that is supposed to be Viserys going "yeah that is totally part of my overall plan" even when it gets NO attention at all in story. If the effects of casually yoinking a bunch of devils, what seem to only be "raw bags of HD to you", while amusing, is incredibly infuriatingly blase. Maybe more than it deserves to be, which is why I'm trying not to make a big deal out of it.

If something important taking time to cover IC is a concern, then maybe we shouldn't be doing that many important things at once? The consequences of just IC not paying attention to one aspect is that the consequences still fall on our heads fully and out of nowhere because, again, we aren't fucking paying attention.
 
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Part MMMCCLXXX: Transmutations of the Flesh
Transmutations of the Flesh

Second Day of the Twelfth Month 293 AC

Grim looks are shared and more than that around the spell-forged circle of minds. If the thing is alive chances are it can commune with other Deep One creations, perhaps even the Deep Ones themselves. It had reacted to the broken ritual at Volmark after all. Vee's suggestion and your first inclination is to use spells one after another, one to purge the thing and the next to med whatever harm it had done to the boy. But the Deep Ones are cruel as they are wise in the ways of flesh-craft, you can imagine all too easily a means by which in seeking to cure young Maron you would instead slay him before he can be healed. Gogossos would be safest for the boy if you could get him there, but you are worried that moving him might trigger some trap of its own.

"Flesh-shaping needs flesh, doesn't it?" Ser Richard asks, never shifting his gaze from his sweep of the room wall to wall and floor to ceiling.

The point is well made, though persuading Lady Joana to allow her son to be transmuted to stone and carried off half-way across the world proves as difficult as one might expect. In the end she asks not only to accompany Maron but unexpectedly to bring another with her, the pyromancer Henrik.

You watch with some interest to see what manner of man could have persuaded the lady of not only his wisdom but also his good intentions in the span of little more than a fortnight. The man still wears the crimson robes of the fallen order, grown perhaps a touch frayed at the cuffs though that might perhaps be owed to the various pilthers and and powders hung from his belt. Upon his brow he wears a diadem enchanted to sharpen the mind, though you suspect he does not need its aid in this instance to guess your identity once he spots Nizuss.


"I am your humble servant, Your Grace," the pyromancer proclaims and part of you wonders if he had once said those same words to your father, but thankfully for your peace of mind he does not seem quite old enough for that. If pyromancers trained their apprentices roughtly in the same manner as other trades, and before the Awakening you have little reason to believe they did not, then he would have been a senior apprentice or perhaps a very young journeyman when your father's patronage of the guild almost ended in the doom of all King's Landing. Likelier than not he had never laid eyes on your father and would have died to the wildfire just as anyone else in the city that day had it not been for good fortune and the Kingslayer's blade falling at the last moment.

You nod in acknowledgement before casting the spell to turn he boy whom you had already sent back into slumber to the dreamless stone. Thankfully with the aid of a subtle enchantment you can lift him easily even in human form, you would rather not startle the lady by taking on wings or scales.

For secrecy's sake you translocate the whole company directly into the Forge deep bellow Gogossos, where the mage-lights kindled by the flesh-smiths of old still burn and the seekers stand in silent unwavering vigil. With a mental command to keep the more inhuman guardians far away and summon the Qyburn and Elaheh you make your way to one of the examination chambers. There you carefully set the petrified child in the center of what almost seems like a flesh-wrought flower with a stem of bone, though you can feel by the heavy presence of the Forge spirits that it is more akin to an eye, an ear or some altogether more refined sensory organ. From her sharply in-drawn breath you suspect Jeyne feels them too.

A few moments later the flesh-smiths make their way into the room, Elaheh looking a touch uncomfortable under the illusion of humanity, but making use of it just the same.

What follows is a suite of complex arcane procedures using the tools the Valyrians had left behind and at times even growing others to suite the needs of the moment. More than once Vee has to travel to Sorcerer's Deep in search of some tome or scroll until at last all three are agreed on both the nature of the threat and what must be done to remove it.

"The 'creature' is in fact nothing so complex, nothing self-willed," Qyburn explains. "They are hollow shells meant simply to amplify and strengthen mental control alongside other powers of the mind used at a distance. What makes this instance of parasitism unique is that consent of a sort had to be obtained, albeit under false pretenses, later buried by trauma..."

"The given sacrifice is the strongest?" the pyromancer half-asks, with the air of a man invoking a quote.

"Something like that, adjacent to the concept let us say," Elaheh replies, looking at the previously silent Henrik with some interest. "The strongest geas is the one willingly undertaken, and a lie is not the same as a compulsion."

"Can you get rid of it or not?" Lady Joana suddenly asks, struggling to keep her voice even. Unlike the pyromancer she had walked through the Forge hardly seeming to look left or right.

"Oh yes, having identified it as a neogi, we can synthesize..." Qyburn begins enthusiastically.

You clear your throat. "The details matter less at the moment," you say aloud to avoid any disturbing revelations, though you ask for him to continue silently through Varys.

Truth be told you are quite impressed at the solution the three flesh-smiths had conceived between them, crafting a subtly different form of neogi poison that would be lethal to the parasite without triggering its stress reaction before making use of magic to purge the remains.

Shifted back from stone to flesh behind the wards of the Forge, the boy convulses once, twice as the poison is administered, but a few moments later under the touch of healing light it is all over.

"Thank you... thank you...." From his expression Qyburn is rather unaccustomed to heartfelt thanks like Lady Joana's, though Elaheh is not.

You return to Pyke with a bottle of 'not quite glass' extruded from the Forge carrying the poison and one by one you see to the other twelve children. The Deep Ones' handy-work has been undone, but you still don't know what exactly they were trying to accomplish. It will take time for the flesh-smiths to make an in depth report of what they observed of the larva and unfortunately the remaining children cannot shed anymore light on what had happened, in each case they were approached and embraced by a supossed loved one and infected, though unlike with Maron it had simply been the shape-shifters at Volmark. What made him special, you wonder.

What do you do next?

[] Speak to the pyromancer about what he had observed and why he had come to the Iron Islands

[] Speak to Ser Harras Harlaw, though his skill and bravery played no small part in unmaking this particular plot he was struggling under the weight of dark thoughts

[] Visit Volmark Keep to see the ritual chamber with your own eyes


OOC: Since I know this is going to be asked, the pyromancer is wearing the sorts of minor items one would expect of a low level PC, stat booster, healing belt, some artisan gloves and of course his alchemist bombs and extracts.
 
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This is another annoying misinterpretation of intent, but okay, I'll field it. I think that summoning alien monsters that pollute the world by their very presence deserves more focus and less handwaving. That's a failing on my part for not calling @DragonParadox out on it but he does legitimately manage dozens of things at any one time and some things fall to the wayside.

And it wasn't particularly important to me until I saw that our decision making is being partitioned into some kind of pseudo hind-brain that is supposed to be Viserys going "yeah that is totally part of my overall plan" even when it gets NO attention at all in story. If the effects of casually yoinking a bunch of devils, what seem to only be "raw bags of HD to you", while amusing, is incredibly infuriatingly blase. Maybe more than it deserves to be, which is why I'm trying not to make a big deal out of it.

If something important taking time to cover IC is a concern, then maybe we shouldn't be doing that many important things at once? The consequences of just IC not paying attention to one aspect is that the consequences still fall on our heads fully and out of nowhere because, again, we aren't fucking paying attention.

We can have a vote on summoning tomorrow, basically just treat it as a background minor action, not much screen time but it gets a vote.
 
OOC: Since I know this is going to be asked, the alchemist is wearing the sorts of minor items one would expect of a low level PC, stat booster, healing belt, some artisan gloves and of course his alchemist bombs and extracts.
Ah, the sweet, sweet progress of civilization. This isn't quite BEAUTIFUL INSTITUTIONAL SPREAD, but it is nice high-tech equipment available to professionals even at the ass end of the world!

My current favorite chapters are the Syrio&Pondmaster interlude about the structural importance of the Inquisition and Scholarum, and every chapter about our spreading infrastructure and legislative reform. The prison interlude was interesting too, of course.
Ending slavery was nice too of course, but it was only the first step.
 
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We can have a vote on summoning tomorrow, basically just treat it as a background minor action, not much screen time but it gets a vote.
Problem - we often get more targets to summon throughout the month, and how much HD we can pull summoning "in the background" is really decided by whether Viserys if off doing busy things, or not.

There's a reason I don't really bring up the summoning until the very end of the month- it is all in a fucking flux until then.

I'm not sure how to address @Crake's problem of us "not paying enough attention".
Would separate chapter or two at the end of the month, with appropriate votes on "what to summon/recruit" (as we'll get all of Mammon's Devils viable targets for looting soon enough) be fine?

As slightly awkward as it'll be to vote on "what have you summoned throughout the month" retroactively?
 
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I see a potentially useful Alchemist of sufficient level to operate an Industrial Alchemy facility and my @Duesal reflex starts itching. :V
 
He's doing a good job here though.
I think the Reader can use any mage he can get.
If we pull out now we can let the place collapse and then obliterate it later. We'll avoid so many stupid cultural problems!

Actually, our current plan is great for that. We're letting the Deep Ones corrupt all the dipshits, then have our allies kill them, and will eventually ensure that the sane non-cultists win. The islands that will swear fealty to us will be bloodied and diminished, but definitely less annoyingly full or Chaotic Stupid reavers!
 
@DragonParadox Is Roddy the Reader in need of anything? I know us giving him a loan was partially to obviate the stress from making requests to our kingly personage, but well... we have a habit of being uniquely capable of getting our hands on things that others think would be too dangerous or too rare to bother searching for. :V
 
@DragonParadox Is Roddy the Reader in need of anything? I know us giving him a loan was partially to obviate the stress from making requests to our kingly personage, but well... we have a habit of being uniquely capable of getting our hands on things that others think would be too dangerous or too rare to bother searching for. :V

Those far realm detecting pearls would be very helpful as would some kind of bodyguards for his loyalist lords, he is scraping by with minor PCs hired at rather exorbitant costs for the more important ones.
 
[X] Speak to Ser Harras Harlaw, though his skill and bravery played no small part in unmaking this particular plot he was struggling under the weight of dark thoughts

let's reassure our man and help keep him from becoming depressed or worse.
 
@Goldfish Some kind of bodyguard we can produce with mind-affecting immunities seems like a good idea.

As to the pearls, yeah, so could we. We bought all we could and it still isn't enough.
 
Some kind of bodyguard we can produce with mind-affecting immunities
Azel be like:
*perks up*

Strangely enough, Undead are better PR-wise than Abominations.
:|

We can look over the room, there is that spell to feel psychic impressions illithids would definitely have left some being interrupted like that.

Imma finally all the relevant spells to look around the ritual site tomorrow, after I fail my exam and will have a free conscience to be worthless garbage again.
 
Imma finally all the relevant spells to look around the ritual site tomorrow, after I fail my exam and will have a free conscience to be worthless garbage again.
Nah, dude, you're not gonna fail. You're gonna cut that fucking exam's head off and parade it around the classroom on a pike.

:cool:
 
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