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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Crake said:
Lawmaking... I'm sure that discussion will be fun.
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I have a big chunk of policy amassed from previous discussions with a whole bunch of people that I'll probably write up as a vote, and maybe edit if there are yet more ideas or well-put counterarguments.

But you know what lawmaking decision I would find terrifying? Patent laws.
@Abhishek M brought up some very valid objections to our current intellectual property policies back on June 27, 2019, and it's stayed stuck in my head ever since. See this whole discussion.
It was a strong objection, you see, but it didn't lead to a concrete policy I could get behind. So ever since then I've been thinking of a way to avoid those downsides without making the Scholarum useless as an institution and without needing a million Mind Blanks...

Crake said:
Most of what I have to say about is to ask DP what the Shaitan and Djinn laws on the same subject are if it has to do with magic in some form.
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Clever.
We've already seen one Marid struggling with that though.
 
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Crake said:
Lawmaking... I'm sure that discussion will be fun.

Most of what I have to say about is to ask DP what the Shaitan and Djinn laws on the same subject are if it has to do with magic in some form.
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*sigh*
That is one matter I have to agree with you in.

I recon salt, and inefficiency will be aplenty in the discussion that follows.


Though to point something out, no reincarnation-bullshit, or other stuff beyond "Marriage law" was voted to be discussed here.


Base thing we are supposed to cover, unless we specify otherwise, is marriage law alone.

@Artemis1992, you were the one who asked for this action.
After some Westerosi lady debacle, or something.
Can you remember the circumstances you brought that up in..?

Because otherwise I dont see what's wrong with out laws, tbh.
 
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TalonofAnathrax said:
I have a big chunk of policy amassed from previous discussions with a whole bunch of people that I'll probably write up as a vote, and maybe edit if there are yet more ideas or well-put counterarguments.

But you know what lawmaking decision I would find terrifying? Patent laws.
@Abhishek M brought up some very valid objections to our current intellectual property policies back on June 27, 2019, and it's stayed stuck in my head ever since. See this whole discussion.
It was a strong objection, you see, but it didn't lead to a concrete policy I could get behind. So ever since then I've been thinking of a way to avoid those downsides without making the Scholarum useless as an institution and without needing a million Mind Blanks...


Clever.
We've already seen one Marid struggling with that though.
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Intellectual Property laws are the devil and do not actually provide proportionate benefits to creators than they do to business giants towards the ends of stifling business specifically so that the market does not push their current products out of the market.
 
Crake said:
[X] Fortress Adjustments
-[X] Tell Darleth of recently gaining access to the wards that Marid use to guard their cities and fortresses -- to be learnt, but still something you'd like to plan for -- as well as a powerful ritualistic warding used as a barrier against "tainted flame" which is still being further developed for an increased range. You would like to extend plans for the fortress to account for these new tools.
--[X] If it helps we can introduce him to Benerro so that Darleth is able to get the specifics of the ritual's abilities.
-[X] Viserys will be able to provide layered anti-teleportation wards at a very high caster level.
-[X] Try to reduce the cost of the alchemical treatment for the stone if possible, but not at the sacrifice of time spent on other components of the defenses, their effectiveness or the effectiveness of the enamel itself. Better to spend more and pay less in lives later on if necessary.
-[X] Raise possibility of cannon emplacements with more exotic effects, potentially force cannons? Potential modification for emplacements to achieve best fire for effect. Expect majority to be Steam Cannons.
-[X] Also, get Darleth's quote on the cost for runecrafting further protecting the chambers with the anti-disintegration spikes.
-[X] Have Lya's double work on the plans with Darleth and later on likely the runecarving.
-[X] Layered Greater Signs of Sealing protecting the Spike Structures and other weak points of the fortress complex.
--[X] Work in the possibility of decoy structures/redoubts, built to look important for infiltration purposes and defended enough (with fallback points that defenders can make a convincing fighting retreat through). When infiltrating assault teams make the final approach to the chamber, large amounts of Alchemical bombs (explosive packs and Liquid Ice bombs) are detonated remotely and non-magically.
-[X] Brilliant Barrier Projectors (space for and defenses worked into plans).

@Goldfish Would some kind of Anti-Magic kill zone be possible?
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There is a higher level version of AMF which we could use for that. Can't remember the name right now, though.

Anyone have a better memory than me?
 
egoo said:
@Artemis1992, you were the one who asked for this action.
After some Westerosi lady debacle, or something.
Can you remember the circumstances you brought that up in..?

Because otherwise I dont see what's wrong with out laws, tbh.
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You found a lady with a female lover who had a hard time juggling the secret and that lead to inheritance law discussion from what I remember. Come to think of it there was no talk of reincarnation so if you guys don't want to open that concern up yet you do not have to, it's not like reincarnation magic is anything like widely available at this point even for the rich and powerful
 
egoo said:
@Artemis1992, you were the one who asked for this action.
After some Westerosi lady debacle, or something.
Can you remember the circumstances you brought that up in..?

Because otherwise I dont see what's wrong with out laws, tbh.
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Errr. Gay marriage, and "alternative conception".

Yeah, that's not going to set the entire continent on fire with recrimination and indignation.
 
Crake said:
Errr. Gay marriage, and "alternative conception".

Yeah, that's not going to set the entire continent on fire with recrimination and indignation.
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Mhm, fair enough, a fiery topic indeed.

In my defense, I really didn't remember what were we supposed to change about marriage laws.


Tbh, in this case, I'd rather leave that until after we take over Westeros.
 
Goldfish said:
Our RAs costs are a fraction of our m onthly expenses. A tiny fraction at that.

That said, I'm also against spending frivolously. Some things are worth the investment, though, and the fortress is one of them.

We'll be robbing the Efreeti enough in the future to offset a lot of the costs.
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I mean the RA point costs not IM costs.

We were planning to take over the adamantine mind to cover our absurd expenses but that seems to have fallen on the side.
 
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DragonParadox said:
You found a lady with a female lover who had a hard time juggling the secret and that lead to inheritance law discussion from what I remember. Come to think of it there was no talk of reincarnation so if you guys don't want to open that concern up yet you do not have to, it's not like reincarnation magic is anything like widely available at this point even for the rich and powerful
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There's currently nothing stopping an inheritance issue exploding tomorrow because some old Magister bought a Reincarnate (or vampiric transformation or something) from a Genie trader/Fey/Magic-mart and suddenly his kids are super pissed at having to wait another 60 years for their inheritance.
Boom, instant legal challenge (is he still the same person? He died for a minute, shouldn't I have inherited my shared instantly then?) that could happen in our courts tomorrow.

That's why I want to have a vote on this.

Incidentally, I agree with @Duesal and all, I just want to make it actual policy.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
There's currently nothing stopping an inheritance issue exploding tomorrow because some old Magister bought a Reincarnate (or vampiric transformation or something) from a Genie trader/Fey/Magic-mart and suddenly his kids are super pissed at having to wait another 60 years for their inheritance.
Boom, instant legal challenge (is he still the same person? He died for a minute, shouldn't I have inherited my shared instantly then?) that could happen in our courts tomorrow.

That's why I want to have a vote on this.

Incidentally, I agree with @Duesal and all, I just want to make it actual policy.
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I'll be honest I'm just happy to have an excuse to slam people with taxes.
 
Seriously the last time salt was mentioned was when I was silly and jumped the gun over the dragon vassal thing. There is no need to quarantine the thread over this. I'll present some IC options and then you guys can vote on it, simple easy and we move on to the next part.
 
Trek said:
I mean the RA point costs not IM costs.
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We have an exceedingly high amount of Research-capable minions now.

Yes, it is great. Quick progress, alll the stuff.
But, and bear with me (as I'm the one who once argued most vehemently for not slowing down RAs) - we'd be doing RAs too quickly if the base cost for them is not upped by DP.
They'd be hard to get invested in.

He started to give out RAs with Progress ~50 - and we can clear that in 2-3 months, easy.
Even a Progress 100 RA isn't insurmountable to us nowadays.

The existing ones will keep their cost, but the future ones really do need to be harder in order to feel like they are worth it.
 
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@DragonParadox, bit of a random question, but is it possible for us to make Dragonleaf Trees in the Flesh/Fungus Forges without a dragon having to sacrifice its breathweapon for a full month?
 
egoo said:
The existing ones will keep their cost, but the future ones really do need to be harder in order to feel like they are worth it.
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I would argue that this shouldn't be the case with all future research actions because that would be ridiculous but if it is something harder than the shit we have already done or a new concept entirely then it should be harder. What I am trying to say Is that difficulty should be decided on a case by case basis.
 
Abhishek M said:
I'll see everyone in three days when this blows over. Bye.
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This is disappointing. Last time your contributions were valuable and you pointed out what now seems to me to be an actual fault in our Scholarium model, as I just mentioned earlier.
If you have any insights into how we could do better and resolve the "private innovation without patents" issue, that would be nice.

Currently all we have is "Scholarium offers compensation and reputation boosts as it takes your discovery and shares it all around", AFAIK.
 
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