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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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DragonParadox said:
"Some would, the stupid ones," Tyene answered plainly. "However if they were forethoughtful they would invest at least some of the difference in making either the merchants happy or their own subjects. After all if you are seen supporting projects than aught to be imperial then the people of the land might wonder if they truly need the emperor in far off Yin. Thus in finding those who seek to enrich and aggrandize themselves in this manner we might find more of the Emperor's foes among those who are not so accommodating as to deal with fiends."

"Accommodating?" Fen asked bewildered, possibility thinking the sorceress had mistaken the word in spite of the spell she spoke through.

"Of course, if they deal with fiends they too can be swiftly be dealt with, " Tyene Sandviper replied with a smile that would not have been out of place on the face of her namesake.
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Something tells me Fen is going to be a very quick study once she comes to Sorcerer's Deep.
 
Zioneer said:
Technically we could still loot Robert. Just... in the traditional sense of looting.
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I'll always be down for traditional looting.

There's a set of Valyrian armor that Gerion and Lanna stole from the outskirts of Valyria way way back in the beginning of the quest. It might be cheap junk to us now but I will still gladly reclaim it.
 
Now that we have access to the template, is there a reason why aren't making Cleric Creature Lotus Leshy (other than as scholarum teachers)?
 
DragonParadox said:
Of Frogs and Vipers ​

Twenty Fifth Day of the Eleventh Month 293 AC

Market of the Golden Frog, Yin, Yi Ti

Though the envoys of the 'Archon of the West' had received a far warmer welcome at the Azure Court after the audiences with Bu Gai the fact remained that the court was opaque to those not raised within its sphere by nature and cautious of trading uncomfortable truths with foreigners by inclination. One would be hard pressed thus to guess at the true power of the Emperor amid the pomp and ritual that shrouded him as incense shrouded a holy idol. Thankfully there were other interests in the city who were more accessible to strangers from a far off land, those seeking not only the reflected glow of imperial favor, but much more solid profit upon their scales, the merchants houses.

Yin it was said had been a merchant city 'for as long as the mountains stood and the sea flowed' or in the opinion of well read historians willing to imply the current seat of government might not be the eldest or grandest, about two and a half thousand years. For much of that time the Golden Frog market, situated on an artificial island between four of the city's major canals served as more than a common bazaar, it was a place for mercantile interests to meet and forge alliances or settle disputes before magistrates best acquainted with trade law as well as a place to display one's wealth and prosperity. One could find here trade in silk and silver and steel, in tea, teak leaf and kamala seed, but also the staples of life, rice livestock and fish, though they tended to be handled mostly in paper, their contracts no less complex and refined than those of Braavos. The merchant Houses knew the Golden Empire as few others did and they were most interested in what the Archon of the West had to offer, in light of the coming trade fleet.

"I do not see why we should ask merchants about the running of the realm and the state of submission to the Son of Heaven," Fen said from beside her, though more as a question than a challenge. The girl had been staying close today and after last night Tyene could not blame her. "Would a merchant not be interested mostly in peace in the land be that peace of the legitimate throne or of some governor in revolt in the secret places of his heart?"

"It a provincial noble is inclined to... lose his taxes then he would have less cause to ask as much of both his people and the merchants passing though them, and you can be sure they would notice that," the Dornishwoman replied deftly stepping between a young scribe proclaiming his skill and a pair of shoppers skeptically examining a pair of dice said to be from the horn of a unicorn.

"Would not one who is so lost to duty and propriety as to refuse the Throne its rightful due merely succumb to baser greed and claim all?" Fen pressed after a moment's thought.

"Some would, the stupid ones," Tyene answered plainly. "However if they were forethoughtful they would invest at least some of the difference in making either the merchants happy or their own subjects. After all if you are seen supporting projects than aught to be imperial then the people of the land might wonder if they truly need the emperor in far off Yin. Thus in finding those who seek to enrich and aggrandize themselves in this manner we might find more of the Emperor's foes among those who are not so accommodating as to deal with fiends."

"Accommodating?" Fen asked bewildered, possibility thinking the sorceress had mistaken the word in spite of the spell she spoke through.

"Of course, if they deal with fiends they too can be swiftly be dealt with, " Tyene Sandviper replied with a smile that would not have been out of place on the face of her namesake.

OOC: And with this we are done with Yi Ti for a while since it will take time in character to gather this kind of information. Not yet edited.
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Some really good world building in this interlude, DP.

I love the short lesson with Tyene teaching Fen how to be crafty.
 
Duesal said:
All jokes aside, Robert will never survive the Conquest. Even setting aside an OOC vote on the matter, IC Viserys hates Robert. Recruitment of any sort isn't happening.
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Viserys hates Robert, but I'm not sure if he hates him enough, that he's not ready to settle for exiling Robert, if it means a cleaner reconquest, Tywin he hates too much for that, but frankly, I think Viserys would settle for Robert abdicating, and going to the Nights Watch or some other Plane, if it means that his conquest of Westeros will cost less blood.

After all unlike Tywin, Robert has never succeeded in killing someone Viserys loves, so while Viserys hates him, it's not to the degree where Viserys is irrational about it, getting Robert to take the Black, would be something I think Viserys would accept.
 
tarrangar said:
Viserys hates Robert, but I'm not sure if he hates him enough, that he's not ready to settle for exiling Robert, if it means a cleaner reconquest, Tywin he hates too much for that, but frankly, I think Viserys would settle for Robert abdicating, and going to the Nights Watch or some other Plane, if it means that his conquest of Westeros will cost less blood.

After all unlike Tywin, Robert has never succeeded in killing someone Viserys loves, so while Viserys hates him, it's not to the degree where Viserys is irrational about it, getting Robert to take the Black, would be something I think Viserys would accept.
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I don't think Robert will take the black. He hates Targs. Like irrationally so. So even if Vis takes the high road. Roberts gonna go down swinging.
 
tarrangar said:
Viserys hates Robert, but I'm not sure if he hates him enough, that he's not ready to settle for exiling Robert, if it means a cleaner reconquest, Tywin he hates too much for that, but frankly, I think Viserys would settle for Robert abdicating, and going to the Nights Watch or some other Plane, if it means that his conquest of Westeros will cost less blood.

After all unlike Tywin, Robert has never succeeded in killing someone Viserys loves, so while Viserys hates him, it's not to the degree where Viserys is irrational about it, getting Robert to take the Black, would be something I think Viserys would accept.
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You're glossing over a hell of a lot of bad blood. Robert looked at the corpses of Elia, Rhaenys, and baby Aegon and smiled. Robert and Jon Arryn forced Viserys to leave Braavos, and then ordered the royal fleet to the Stepstones to wipe us out.

Forget Viserys. Dany wants Robert dead.

Also taking the Black wouldn't work out for a variety of reasons. Robert wouldn't accept, and even in the event that he did, the Night's Watch is full of pro-Targ people who love us for helping them out (and a bunch of genuine Targ loyalists who were forced there by Robert, Ser Alliser Thorne being a prominent example).

Tldr: A Robert in the Night's Watch would inevitably have an "accident".
 
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And he wouldn't take it. You'd have to break him as a person. And I know exactly how to completely destroy him, take away his very will to fight in the most nasty manner, but then the concern wouldn't be finding a way to get him to take the Black, and instead finding out how to stop him from drinking himself to death, literally.

The man is destroyed already, he just doesn't know it nor acknowledge it. The moment he finally faces it, he won't recover.
 
Crake said:
And he wouldn't take it. You'd have to break him as a person. And I know exactly how to completely destroy him, take away his very will to fight in the most nasty manner, but then the concern wouldn't be finding a way to get him to take the Black, and instead finding out how to stop him from drinking himself to death, literally.

The man is destroyed already, he just doesn't know it nor acknowledge it. The moment he finally faces it, he won't recover.
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Personally I'd rather just kill him while he's mostly still whole. Shattering him as a person is something I have no interest in reading. That kind of arc sounds utterly exhausting.
 
tarrangar said:
Viserys hates Robert, but I'm not sure if he hates him enough, that he's not ready to settle for exiling Robert, if it means a cleaner reconquest, Tywin he hates too much for that, but frankly, I think Viserys would settle for Robert abdicating, and going to the Nights Watch or some other Plane, if it means that his conquest of Westeros will cost less blood.

After all unlike Tywin, Robert has never succeeded in killing someone Viserys loves, so while Viserys hates him, it's not to the degree where Viserys is irrational about it, getting Robert to take the Black, would be something I think Viserys would accept.
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Being less hated that Tywin does not say much. If anything Viserys at least respects Tywin slightly more than he does Robert for trying to do something about the changing world, by contrast he holds Robert in utter contempt.

The Ven diagram that intersects 'personal hate', 'contempt' and 'political headache to keep alive' does not result in a live Robert.
 
Crake said:
And he wouldn't take it. You'd have to break him as a person. And I know exactly how to completely destroy him, take away his very will to fight in the most nasty manner, but then the concern wouldn't be finding a way to get him to take the Black, and instead finding out how to stop him from drinking himself to death, literally.

The man is destroyed already, he just doesn't know it nor acknowledge it. The moment he finally faces it, he won't recover.
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Duesal said:
Personally I'd rather just kill him while he's mostly still whole. Shattering him as a person is something I have no interest in reading. That kind of arc sounds utterly exhausting.
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Seconding Duesal here, Bobby is just... irrelevant at this point.

Oh sure, to some degree it'd be cathartic to see him dead...
But even IC, he's just a footnote at this point.

Why should we care about him? Even insofar as giving him more attention than "Moonchaser? Fire all weapons on quadrant 7, tango"?

Because Ned likes him?
Well, we can wrangle Northerners perfectly well even with us slaughtering Bobby before their very eyes.

Because he was an asshole to us/our family?
We killed such assholes before with little personal attention.

He's not worth our attention beyond a quick and efficient kill at the start of Re-Conquest.
 
egoo said:
Seconding Duesal here, Bobby is just... irrelevant at this point.

Oh sure, to some degree it'd be cathartic to see him dead...
But even IC, he's just a footnote at this point.

Why should we care about him? Even insofar as giving him more attention than "Moonchaser? Fire all weapons on quadrant 7, tango"?

Because Ned likes him?
Well, we can wrangle Northerners perfectly well even with us slaughtering Bobby before their very eyes.

Because he was an asshole to us/our family?
We killed such assholes before with little personal attention.

He's not worth our attention beyond a quick and efficient kill at the start of Re-Conquest.
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I don't think he's to the point of being a footnote, we should definitely spend time IC dealing with Robert as appropriate, I just have no interest in actively making an effort to break his sanity. That's not something I have any desire to read, and I'd rather just get it over with quickly.
 
Duesal said:
I don't think he's to the point of being a footnote, we should definitely spend time IC dealing with Robert as appropriate, I just have no interest in actively making an effort to break his sanity. That's not something I have any desire to read, and I'd rather just get it over with quickly.
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If it will be better politically to kill him, then I'm up for killing him, I just thought him abdicating to us would make for a cleaner takeover, if that isn't the case, then I'm up for killing him.
 
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  • [X] "Lord Jonos, the idea for the match was Lady Catelyn's, if not the intent to gain further influence and power by it as Lord Blackwood might assume, and Hoster isn't the sort to come up with this kind of idea. You can take one look in his face and anyone witnessing the apology would be able to attest the same, but laugh at him they would just the same, and all Tytos Blackwood would hear is that laughter years afterward. A private apology, for not thinking things through, for contributing his own part in the folly of youth, that can easily be arranged, if he was not willing to face you directly, maybe weather a spot of reaming over the mess, this wouldn't hold any chance of success. But if we are counting slights right up until the end of this... that slight is going to be the only thing either side remembers." Look at him pointedly. Lord Hoster's mockery is near enough to being Lady Catelyn's mockery. This is just shooting oneself in the foot, as far as it goes.
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tarrangar said:
If it will be better politically to kill him, then I'm up for killing him, I just thought him abdicating to us would make for a cleaner takeover, if that isn't the case, then I'm up for killing him.
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It's definitely better politically to kill him. Leaving him alive just gives any resistance groups unnecessary ammo. Even as a martyr Robert would do less damage.
 
tarrangar said:
If it will be better politically to kill him, then I'm up for killing him, I just thought him abdicating to us would make for a cleaner takeover, if that isn't the case, then I'm up for killing him.
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Him abdicating would possibly be cleaner. But I feel like enough people would cry mind control or magic to recomplicate the whole thing. People who don't want our authority won't accept our authority. Do we have a plan for his family btw?
 
[X] Crake

Also my vote is to take away any magical protections Big Bobby B might have, and then just cast Disintegrate a couple of times. And if we need to, figure out a Wish or something to keep him from coming back if he has loyalists that devoted to having him on the throne.
 
Angelazreal1 said:
Do we have a plan for his family btw?
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Cersei is a political prisoner and a hostage against the children's good behavior.

The kids will be watched their entire lives, but we will make sure they are taken care of, and they have a chance of happiness.

Robert is dead or the equivalent of dead.

Jaime gets the Wall. If he survives Winter, he gets a pardon. Same as anyone. He'd have earned it by that point.

Tywin gets made into a prop in our political theater, his legacy utterly destroyed.

Lanna and Gerion either dig their own grave or slide into obscurity. At this point they have done enough to obstruct us and help Tywin earn a more destructive overthrow that I don't trust them with any responsibility of real note.

The rest of the extended Lannister clan not already claimed by another House as a bride is either a hostage if they're young enough, going to the Wall if old enough, or married to carefully selected nobles.
 
Crake said:
Cersei is a political prisoner and a hostage against the children's good behavior.

The kids will be watched their entire lives, but we will make sure they are taken care of, and they have a chance of happiness.

Robert is dead or the equivalent of dead.

Jaime gets the Wall. If he survives Winter, he gets a pardon. Same as anyone. He'd have earned it by that point.

Tywin gets made into a prop in our political theater, his legacy utterly destroyed.

Lanna and Gerion either dig their own grave or slide into obscurity. At this point they have done enough to obstruct us and help Tywin earn a more destructive overthrow that I don't trust them with any responsibility of real note.

The rest of the extended Lannister clan not already claimed by another House as a bride is either a hostage if they're young enough, going to the Wall if old enough, or married to carefully selected nobles.
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Seconding everything here.
 
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