The Others took it during their schism and we need to rob it back.

Edit: There is nothing backing this theory other than my intuition. Do not take it at face value.
But seriously though, by all rights the Old Gods should have the Dream Domain.

It's either an oversight or downright bizarre that they don't have it and yet they have the Greendream.
 
Fact of the matter is the Greendream is a misnomer. It's like an air-gapped computer network. Nothing else from outside the network gets in by design.

The Dream by design lets everyone's subconscious effect it.
 
Some people are just tired of Westeros, no matter how good the interludes DP throws at us in the interim.
We can do them first thing next month if ya want them so much - but for now, we really have better things to do.
EDOT: CRAK'Id
I'm not just tired of Westeros, I'm tired of all of Planetos for the moment, for all that I hate how bleak the broken upper planes make the setting, they also seem extremely interesting to me, and so I have wanted to explore them since we first heard about them, but in all that time we have only been to Heaven, which from what info we have is the plane that interest me least, and Heaven's shore is the part of Heaven I find least exciting, I want explore broken Elysium or corrupted Nirvana, participate in a few skirmishes with the hordes of Illithid and Daemons, and make common cause, with some of the few bastions of uncorrupted Celestial might.

In general I'm more interested in the Planes than Planetos, so I'm kind of miffed that the war against the Brazen throne is more or less a back ground event, while we micromanage every small problem on Planetos.

I get Planetos is important, but the Planes are important too, and I really want to experience them a little more.
 
Ultimately that stuff is our backyard and we have too much on our plate at home to go gallivanting around the planes for more than one action at a time. We have a realm to rule and ornery vassals to get under control and enemies to crush who want to destroy us.
 
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But seriously though, by all rights the Old Gods should have the Dream Domain.

It's either an oversight or downright bizarre that they don't have it and yet they have the Greendream.

The Greendream is in he dreamlands, but it is far more structured, the way the Red Keep is in King's Landing, but it is still conceptually quite distinct. Gods with the dream domain are gods who are a lot less thrifty of their power than the Old Gods.

Yi Ti interlude next.
 
Ultimately that stuff is our backyard and we have too much on our plate at home to go gallivanting around the planes for more than one action at a time. We have a realm to rule and ornery vassals to get under control and enemies to crush who want to destroy us.
I get that, we have to wrap up Westeros and the Slaver cities, I would just rather focus a bit on the Planes, instead of immediately going on to working on getting Yi Ti to join up, once we have done that.
 
I get that, we have to wrap up Westeros and the Slaver cities, I would just rather focus a bit on the Planes, instead of immediately going on to working on getting Yi Ti to join up, once we have done that.
That's not what's happening. After the war with the Deep Ones -- whenever that erupts -- and annihilating the Golden Company, we'll be conquering Westeros and Slaver's Bay, and then there's still the other Free Cities to take one way or another. And after that we'll probably be negotiating with Ibb and the Summer Islands and dangling economic and military incentives in front of them to join us. Yi Ti is at the end of a lot of other diplomacy actions, it is far from the only thing keeping us from going off to the Planes.
 
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Does the Fungus Forge have access to the Mighty Template?

Because if it does, and I read stuff/did the math correctly, we can potentially make Mighty Green Warden Druid Creature Lotus Leshy with CR 15 :evil:....

Fear the Leshy!
 
Does the Fungus Forge have access to the Mighty Template?

Because if it does, and I read stuff/did the math correctly, we can potentially make Mighty Green Warden Druid Creature Lotus Leshy with CR 15 :evil:....

Fear the Leshy!
IIRC, we should have it in Moss-Forge starting next month -
The forges share the newly-unlocked templates between each-other after a month, right, @DragonParadox?
 
Does the Fungus Forge have access to the Mighty Template?

Because if it does, and I read stuff/did the math correctly, we can potentially make Mighty Green Warden Druid Creature Lotus Leshy with CR 15 :evil:....

Fear the Leshy!
The Fungus Forge (currently at CR 10, soon to be at CR 15) might have the Mighty Template now that the Flesh Smiths are part of the Green Dream but I'm not sure. The Flesh Forge definitely has the Mighty Template but also doesn't have access to plant templates.
Darn it, where's the worried reaction button SV? 😟
Who knows, we might be pleasantly surprised by a lack of devils. But that entire area is honestly way too tempting a target for Asmodeus to ignore. It's what I would pounce on if I were him, especially after successfully getting what he was after in Gogossos.
 
especially after successfully getting what he was after in Gogossos.
Most likely some sort of activation-key, what with how his servants there were interacting more with wards and stuff, than the Fleshsmiths or forge's core.

We really can't have a single step around without suspecting his involvement, now that Asmy is in the picture :/
 
Most likely some sort of activation-key, what with how his servants there were interacting more with wards and stuff, than the Fleshsmiths or forge's core.

We really can't have a single step around without suspecting his involvement, now that Asmy is in the picture :/
Yep, that's the beauty of facing Asmodeus himself.

We'll probably be fighting him for every inch of the planet.
 
Say, instead of diplomacing minor houses how about next turn we try to complete our Baratheon set? I say we make Bob B our guy, get him to be our dude in secret and die in a epic fight against the dragon when we invade, only for a random new sellsword named Bobert Raratheon to appear in Essos.
 
Does the Fungus Forge have access to the Mighty Template?

Because if it does, and I read stuff/did the math correctly, we can potentially make Mighty Green Warden Druid Creature Lotus Leshy with CR 15 :evil:....

Fear the Leshy!
The Fungal Forge should have it, considering that the Forges now share relevant templates (no Plant templates in the Flesh Forge). The issue is that Mighty is a +5 CR adjustment. To use it in the Fungal Forge right now means we wouldn't be able to out it on anything higher than CR 5. It's a really powerful template, but it needs a better chassis than that to work with or the resulting creature will be somewhat lacking.
 
The Fungal Forge should have it, considering that the Forges now share relevant templates (no Plant templates in the Flesh Forge). The issue is that Mighty is a +5 CR adjustment. To use it in the Fungal Forge right now means we wouldn't be able to out it on anything higher than CR 5. It's a really powerful template, but it needs a better chassis than that to work with or the resulting creature will be somewhat lacking.

Oh no I was thinking of using the mighty template after we upgraded the Fungus Forge CR limit to 15. Or will that not work? I'm not experienced with d&d mechanics at all so please correct me if I'm wrong!
 
That's not what's happening. After the war with the Deep Ones -- whenever that erupts -- and annihilating the Golden Company, we'll be conquering Westeros and Slaver's Bay, and then there's still the other Free Cities to take one way or another. And after that we'll probably be negotiating with Ibb and the Summer Islands and dangling economic and military incentives in front of them to join us. Yi Ti is at the end of a lot of other diplomacy actions, it is far from the only thing keeping us from going off to the Planes.
My point was that I want us to wrap up the current urgent stuff, and then focus on the Planes for a bit, instead of starting new projects on Planetos.

The Summer Isles and the other Free cities have survived this long, they can survive us taking a few weeks to explore the Planes, after we have wrapped Westeros and Slavers Bay up.

I miss going on adventures, not knowing who we will meet and who will happen, this political stuff is neat, but once in a while I just want to visit somewhere new, meet people we had no idea existed, and kill some monsters.
 
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The ultimate trolling.
Personally I would prefer just grabbing him, showing him the state of Heaven, telling him that we need to fix this and so don't have time for petty grudges, so if he will agree to abdicate the Throne, we will resurrect Lyanna and give him a partial pardon, that consist of him forfeiting his noble titles, and being sentenced to some years of military service(which is really just a way, to justify letting him join the army and go kill fiends.)

The deal of course in no way include him getting Lyanna, if he want the girl, then he will have to seduce her the hard way(we don't expect him to succeed, but if he want to try he can.)
 
Personally I would prefer just grabbing him, showing him the state of Heaven, telling him that we need to fix this and so don't have time for petty grudges, so if he will agree to abdicate the Throne, we will resurrect Lyanna and give him a partial pardon, that consist of him forfeiting his noble titles, and being sentenced to some years of military service(which is really just a way, to justify letting him join the army and go kill fiends.)

The deal of course in no way include him getting Lyanna, if he want the girl, then he will have to seduce her the hard way(we don't expect him to succeed, but if he want to try he can.)
All jokes aside, Robert will never survive the Conquest. Even setting aside an OOC vote on the matter, IC Viserys hates Robert. Recruitment of any sort isn't happening.
 
Interlude DCLX: Of Frogs and Vipers
Of Frogs and Vipers

Twenty Fifth Day of the Eleventh Month 293 AC

Market of the Golden Frog, Yin, Yi Ti

Though the envoys of the 'Archon of the West' had received a far warmer welcome at the Azure Court after the audiences with Bu Gai, the fact remained that the court was opaque to those not raised within its sphere by nature and cautious of trading uncomfortable truths with foreigners by inclination. One would be hard pressed thus to guess at the true power of the Emperor amid the pomp and ritual that shrouded him as incense shrouded a holy idol. Thankfully there were other interests in the city who were more accessible to strangers from a far off land, those seeking not only the reflected glow of imperial favor, but much more solid profit upon their scales, the Merchants Houses.

Yin, it was said, had been a merchant city 'for as long as the mountains stood and the sea flowed' or in the opinion of well read historians willing to imply the current seat of government might not be the eldest or grandest, about two and a half thousand years. For much of that time the Golden Frog Market, situated on an artificial island between four of the city's major canals, served as more than a common bazaar, it was a place for mercantile interests to meet and forge alliances or settle disputes before magistrates best acquainted with trade law as well as a place to display one's wealth and prosperity. One could find here trade in silk, silver and steel, in tea, teak leaf and kamala seed, but also the staples of life; rice, livestock and fish, though they tended to be handled mostly in paper, their contracts no less complex and refined than those of Braavos. The Merchant Houses knew the Golden Empire as few others did and they were most interested in what the Archon of the West had to offer, in light of the coming trade fleet.

"I do not see why we should ask merchants about the running of the realm and the state of submission to the Son of Heaven," Fen said from beside her, though more as a question than a challenge. The girl had been staying close today and after last night Tyene could not blame her. "Would a merchant not be interested mostly in peace in the land, be that peace of the legitimate throne or of some governor in revolt in the secret places of his heart?"

"If a provincial noble is inclined to... lose his taxes then he would have less cause to ask as much of both his people and the merchants passing through them, and you can be sure they would notice that," the Dornishwoman replied, deftly stepping between a young scribe proclaiming his skill and a pair of shoppers skeptically examining a pair of dice said to be from the horn of a unicorn.

"Would not one who is so lost to duty and propriety as to refuse the Throne its rightful due merely succumb to baser greed and claim all?" Fen pressed after a moment's thought.

"Some would, the stupid ones," Tyene answered plainly. "However, if they were forethoughtful they would invest at least some of the difference in making either the merchants happy or their own subjects. After all, if you are seen supporting projects that aught to be imperial then the people of the land might wonder if they truly need the emperor in far off Yin. Thus in finding those who seek to enrich and aggrandize themselves in this manner we might find more of the emperor's foes among those who are not so accommodating as to deal with fiends."

"Accommodating?" Fen asked bewildered, possibly thinking the sorceress had mistaken the word in spite of the spell she spoke through.

"Of course, if they deal with fiends they too can be swiftly be dealt with," Tyene Sandviper replied with a smile that would not have been out of place on the face of her namesake.

OOC: And with this we are done with Yi Ti for a while since it will take time in character to gather this kind of information.
 
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