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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Crake said:
No one's suggesting outlawing duels, but how it works right now, is basically a smug prick (your proverbial Jaime, in this scenario) can goad someone into throwing down the gauntlet even if they have no hope of seeking redress, because their family is stronger, they have more resources/political status than them, and they have no hope of beating them in a straight fight.

The Dornish work around that shit by not fighting fair, which clearly informs you on how people dislike the Dornish for being too pragmatic. Honor before reason is only really the case less than half the time, the other half is the shitty culture allowing what is essentially murder take place and naming it legal.
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Oh, I meant for the small folk mostly, just two untrained dudes with some cheap swords and a mutual undying hatred for each other, yeah the westerosi ones are shit, I think more about the Bravosi duels.
 
On a side note, I just realized that the Harbinger probably would have been perfect for this fight.

Our ultimate Herald ripping Ymeri's Herald to shreds would have been beautifully poetic.
 
MasterDrakus said:
Oh, I meant for the small folk mostly, just two untrained dudes with some cheap swords and a mutual undying hatred for each other, yeah the westerosi ones are shit, I think more about the Bravosi duels.
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As with most things Braavos does it better. Even their murdering is more primal. None of that weak sword twirling . Just brutally and clumsily stabbing one another. Like real men :p
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Yup.

The character just read a book that is the WHFB equivalent of the Codex of Infinite Planes (which let a single Mage stroll up to the City of Brass and come within a hair's breadth of conquering it) in terms of empowering someone... As long as they are willing to use maliciously radioactive magic.

Not being willing to use said magic, the knowledge still presented us with a loophole that, with study, might allow for us to remotely cause a chain-reaction explosion on the setting's maliciously's evil uranium (as we can alread do so for that kind of magic, and the uranium is maliciously radioactive magic given form).

And what are the setting's biggest threat run their entire society on said uranium, having a giant pillar of it in the middle of their capital.

But the players are too afraid of talking about that now. Because killing literal evil ratmen bent on enslave all other races in the world is bad. Ratmen that make Lolth's Drow society look retrained and reasonable, which suddenly be unsurprising when your everything runs on maliciously evil uranium.
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Because it is against the site rules, for very good reasons. If you want to relitigate it, go start a thread in the appropriate forum, please.
 
The thing is I think the subject of genocide is just too close to the chest of a few certain key people (who admittedly probably have some first hand cultural background related to it) and it isn't a joke or even entertainment for them so much as reality.

I think it's less picking a fight over what people write about, and more discussion that tends to make light of it, even when the stand-in is devoid of all humanity.

Hence, @Duesal saying we should just downplay the discussion and focus more on what's practical. Prosecuting total war against equally genocidal White Walkers tends to involve fighting them with powerful weapons, but talking about creating Sidhe Anthrax or Fiend Nerve Gas is gratuitous (well, rather, tactless).
 
Crake said:
The thing is I think the subject of genocide is just too close to the chest of a few certain key people (who admittedly probably have some first hand cultural background related to it) and it isn't a joke or even entertainment for them so much as reality.

I think it's less picking a fight over what people write about, and more discussion that tends to make light of it, even when the stand-in is devoid of all humanity.

Hence, @Duesal saying we should just downplay the discussion and focus more on what's practical. Prosecuting total war against equally genocidal White Walkers tends to involve fighting them with powerful weapons, but talking about creating Sidhe Anthrax or Fiend Nerve Gas is gratuitous (well, rather, tactless).
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Even the Others probably won't fight a war with total annihilation if we're lucky. I'm hopeful we can figure out how to purge the Void from them eventually.

Of course, I'm not above sacrificing most of the ones we manage to capture. The Old Gods will be pleased.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Not being willing to use said magic, the knowledge still presented us with a loophole that, with study, might allow for us to remotely cause a chain-reaction explosion on the setting's maliciously's evil uranium (as we can alread do so for that kind of magic, and the uranium is maliciously radioactive magic given form).
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Huh, mildy 1980s super villain plotline. Kinda sad they didnt just commit to the hilt and go full Blow up the Moon Weebo. That causes more relevant problems to the world than a huge tide or rats killing each other after all.

Beastmen kill more people than they kill each other atleast. Well maybe it would have been a trial run. But Ce qui sera sera I guess.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Fighting the mods? No, thanks.

Just getting it out my system.
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You know what, I found that one user's ban, and the response by a mod who admitedly didn't know shit about the setting going "so what I don't know shit about the setting?" when someone posted the first line of the first link of a simple google search proved the user was not, in fact, horrendously racist when they called plant-people "plants" and giant rats "rats", that I might well open up a topic regards "Rule X and WHF".
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
You know what, I found that one user's ban, and the response by a mod who admitedly didn't know shit about the setting going "so what I don't know shit about the setting?" when someone posted the first line of the first link of a simple google search proved the user was not, in fact, horrendously racist when they called plant-people "plants" and giant rats "rats", that I might well open up a topic regards "Rule X and WHF".
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Feel free, so long as you aren't doing it here. And it's rule 2, as I recall.
 
Wait are we sure that the Void came first and that the Others were normal Ice Fey that tapped into that after getting super salty about men coming to Westeros and converting it into physical reality instead of the Fey Wild playzone it originally was? We have no idea exactly how long ago the First Men invasion was and time is weird/possibly non-linear in the Fey Wild. It could be that the old Ice Fey hated the Void into existence

Man it really would be peak ASOIAF if fighting in Westeros got so bad it literally broke Heaven. (maybe Admodeus influenced it)

Also in general, Westeros' past makes the Reach Fey plot make more sense. They chose the Reach/a place in Westeros over any other location since they're trying to revert things back to what they used to be. With some humans added to the play. Wonder if that means other parts of Westeros had their own Fey Courts that haven't popped up for whatever reason. Or maybe they're part of the OG/Others paragdim.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
You know what, I found that one user's ban, and the response by a mod who admitedly didn't know shit about the setting going "so what I don't know shit about the setting?" when someone posted the first line of the first link of a simple google search proved the user was not, in fact, horrendously racist when they called plant-people "plants" and giant rats "rats", that I might well open up a topic regards "Rule X and WHF".
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Yeah, but most of the subsequent bans where people just being unable to let it go,
the question wasnt "is the extermination of these enemies justified?" it was "should we still pursue the topic after the mods asked us to stop?".
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
So, seeing half a dozen people being threadbanned and the mods flipping their shit over someone wanting to build a biological nuke to kill Warhammer Orcs (which are sort of plant-people with literally no cultural values besides fighting, killing and looting), should we just try to make friends with the Others?

Genocide is bad, dontchanow?
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That is weird, I can get not wanting to spread that kind of thinking of actual RL groups. But lots of WHF races are not only fictional, but completely evil and world would legit be better off if they were all dead.

I feel like mods should get context for settings before passing judgement on certain posts.
 
A_Somebody said:
Wait are we sure that the Void came first and that the Others were normal Ice Fey that tapped into that after getting super salty about men coming to Westeros and converting it into physical reality instead of the Fey Wild playzone it originally was? We have no idea exactly how long ago the First Men invasion was and time is weird/possibly non-linear in the Fey Wild. It could be that the old Ice Fey hated the Void into existence
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It fits with what we know. Heaven's destruction had to have happened way before the First Men invaded Westeros, and according to Bloodraven it was only afterwards that the Winter Court was corrupted by death and darkness. We can of course confirm with him when we talk to him again. He doubtless has more lore with awakening memories in the Old Gods from seeing the Void in Heaven firsthand and through all the new trees growing in Essos.
spiritualatheist said:
So let's stop pursuing the topic.
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Yeah, I'm getting really annoyed with drama from other threads being imported here.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
You know what, I found that one user's ban, and the response by a mod who admitedly didn't know shit about the setting going "so what I don't know shit about the setting?" when someone posted the first line of the first link of a simple google search proved the user was not, in fact, horrendously racist when they called plant-people "plants" and giant rats "rats", that I might well open up a topic regards "Rule X and WHF".
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Only piece of advice I'll give on this topic, and one I have to share with people more and more often for some reason; Stop trying to make sense.

Yeah, I know it's asinine, but that's just the world we live in. Common sense is dead and rational thought is bleeding out in the gutter as we speak. Trying to make sense of it all is the modern day equivalent of tilting at windmills.
 
In the interest of changing topics, anyone have anything they really want to get done in the Plane of Water?

@Goldfish and I have been hoping for a hostile Brine Dragon at some point.

There are also high hopes of hiring crafters and mercenaries from what I recall.

There's also potentially working in some kind of trade deal/alliance if we're particularly lucky. We should probably make sure to offer to take along Shaitan and Djinn delegates if we're pursuing that.
 
I too am an admirer of Quixotic crusades against the common everyday idiocy of the majority, but only that. An admirer.

In a way we all got our own safe space, even if that safe space is isolation from the irrational.
 
Duesal said:
In the interest of changing topics, anyone have anything they really want to get done in the Plane of Water?

@Goldfish and I have been hoping for a hostile Brine Dragon at some point.

There are also high hopes of hiring crafters and mercenaries from what I recall.

There's also potentially working in some kind of trade deal/alliance if we're particularly lucky. We should probably make sure to offer to take along Shaitan and Djinn delegates if we're pursuing that.
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To be honest, I kind of just want to take in the sights a bit after doing our business/hiring/trade negotiations. The place sounds real neat. If we had more time I would want to do a short study on the local environment of an entire city with air existing inside of a bubble in an endless ocean.
 
Crake said:
To be honest, I kind of just want to take in the sights a bit after doing our business/hiring/trade negotiations. The place sounds real neat. If we had more time I would want to do a short study on the local environment of an entire city with air existing inside of a bubble in an endless ocean.
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I've been wanting to put in a bulk order for Hippocampi when we go there. Turns out those things swim faster than the Tritons.
 
The write-up for Vialisk in the Planes of Power book does sound interesting. I think DP will be able to do it justice. A whole new extraplanar trading city will be great, too.

Fingers crossed for there being crafters for hire there.
 
MasterDrakus said:
I want to import a lot of water into Dorne, make lakes everywhere!
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It's honestly funny how trivial it is for us to terraform Dorne at our level.

Shadow of the Doom makes tons of high quality volcanic soil, we can easily flood any lakes we dig out, etc.

Dorne will be very green after the reclamation of Westeros, and as a silver lining the Inevitables are too busy to pay attention. :p
Goldfish said:
The write-up for Vialisk in the Planes of Power book does sound interesting. I think DP will be able to do it justice. A whole new extraplanar trading city will be great, too.

Fingers crossed for there being crafters for hire there.
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We'll definitely want the help of Relath and Breath Taker for convincing as many as possible to come with us. They'll probably have old connections.
 
Also, I really want a jungle kingdom... the Dornish are great at guerrilla warfare already, if we're going to take away the advantage of the desert, giving them the ability to master the jungles of Dorne will be a nice consolation!
 
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