A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

[Crake]

Viserys' opinions and his actions in this case are in your hands guys, he does not have enough of a precedent in acting one way or another for either of the choices to be out of character.

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I'd rather not muddy the waters here by saying we're keeping Lady Farring's head balanced on her neck because we think she was in the right or anything. What she did was stupid--but really, more importantly, even that could be forgiven, if it didn't jeopardize securing House Farring's loyalty.

 

[zxzx24]

Political advantage is debatable in this case. And that was his opinion even after the situation with Hermetia--you know it was Waymar who was most sympathetic, right? Viserys got her out of that mess, and had her back, because he gave his word, not even explicitly due to her situation but because his friend was basically asking for help.

I mean, his feelings on her have changed since they became friends, but still, really, it's a bit revisionist to paint him as someone who values desire over duty.

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Either kill both of them or spare both of them.

Making an enemy for life and intentionally leaving them alive is foolish.

You'll probably risk pissing the Lord off if you axe his wife without his permission though.

 

[Crake]

Either kill both of them or spare both of them.

Making an enemy for life and intentionally leaving them alive is foolish.

You'll probably risk pissing the Lord off if you axe his wife without his permission though.

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That's a good point... KILLING THEM BOTH!

[X] Abstain

Actually I'm busy.

 

[zxzx24]

That's a good point... KILLING THEM BOTH!

[X] Abstain

Actually I'm busy.

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Sorry... I'm really not super comfortable with your vote and it may have colored my opinion.

I would prefer to find a non murdery solution to this? Though I am not terribly convinced of the value of murdering one or both of them?

We could simply flip the lord normally, hand him the letter, and let the pieces fall where they will?

Mmmm

 

[MTB]

What did the cousin do that deserves killing him? Taking advantage of his 'dear' lord not surviving the Targaryen reconquista is morally dubious (somewhat), but not killworthy.
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That simplest way to handle it would be to hand the lord both letters, telling him it's up to him to clean house. How he handles that will tell us something about his character.

 

[Crake]

What did the cousin do that deserves killing him? Taking advantage of his 'dear' lord not surviving the Targaryen reconquista is morally dubious (somewhat), but not killworthy.

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Yeah, probably not. I just honestly doubt the sanity and intelligence of people in these situations not to fuck it all up due to greed or any number of other reasons.

Then again, why I'm abstaining and giving people the chance to spare them has a lot more to do with the fact that they've been keeping things secret for years now, so I imagine they could do so for years after, though there's no guarantee they wouldn't be revealed if we leave it alone--the guy almost got his lover and son killed by trusting precisely the absolute worst person to secret love letters to them, after all.

 

[Crake]

Also, just to point out the other side of this whole mess, you guys do realize that if we don't reveal the letter, and don't kill the Farring cousin, and then after the conquest don't force the Lord from his seat, the cousin will probably have him assassinated, right?

The Crownlands really is an incestuous mess of backstabbings and cuckoldry, isn't it? Though I guess technically our family is partly responsible for it...

 

[Walliseatscheese]

Do we need to do anything about this?

We've effectively confirmed that it's no big plot and as long as no one catches on to the infidelity, and no assassination attempts are had, then it's basically below our level to care about.

At least until it turns out that the paranoia is related to this. Then there's a mess to clean up.

Either way, I'd look into the Lord first before making a judgement on this.

 

[One Autumn Leaf]

Hmm I say we don't tell him this information. We try to gain his loyalty through our usual means. If it succeeds we tell him about the letter and let the cards fall as they do. If it fails we let nature take its course and let him die and have a loyal lord in the region.

 

[Artemis1992]

Simple matter here would be a divorce after we are in charge?
Sure, it won't endear us to the current lord, but I see the precedent for "Solve your relationship-problems without murder" as more important.

Ultimatly one minor lord doesn't make any difference.

 

[Crake]

I'm just hoping you guys understand--if we don't do anything about this, Lord Farring is probably going to straight up die. Like, that's where he's headed. The guy being a paranoid mess and the chaos of war will make the lady FLIP with the fact that "oh gods I revealed EVERYTHING and they didn't do anything to immediately reassure me this would be fine".

You guys do understand the implications of what we've just done, right?

Simple matter here would be a divorce after we are in charge?
Sure, it won't endear us to the current lord, but I see the precedent for "Solve your relationship-problems without murder" as more important.

Ultimatly one minor lord doesn't make any difference.

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This, I like the most.

 

[Artemis1992]

[X] Keep things quiet for now, try to secure his loyalty normally.
-[X] Once you have taken the throne they can get a divorce like sane people, instead of having to murder each other. Explain this to the Lady and tell her to tell it her lover too.

 

[Crake]

[X] Keep things quiet for now, try to secure his loyalty normally.
-[X] Once you have taken the throne they can get a divorce like sane people, instead of having to murder each other.

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I find the incongruity of this vote being entirely divorced from ASoIaF reality to be utterly hilarious.

[X] Artemis1992

I can't wait to see this end in stabbings.

 

[T_of_A]

Can we please keep the Aurane joke OOC?

 

[Crake]

Can we please keep the Aurane joke OOC?

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It's been dropped.

 

[Abhishekam]

Eh, I say let it come out. Makes a nice cover for the visit. People will be content enough gossiping about this that they wont even consider a shiff in loyalty in all this. Plus no sympathies here.

 

[Artemis1992]

I can't wait to see this end in stabbings.

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If it does everyone involved looses.
The corpse and the killer both.

The happy end here is to have patience and solve things the (newly installed) legal way.
The lord gets to keep his place without being murdered.
The knight and lady get toegther.

It's not perfect since the lord doesn't keep his wife and the knight doesn't get the land, but on the average better than one dead and another one executed for it.

 

[Abhishekam]

If it does everyone involved looses.
The corpse and the killer both.

The happy end here is to have patience and solve things the (newly installed) legal way.
The lord gets to keep his place without being murdered.
The knight and lady get toegther.

It's not perfect since the lord doesn't keep his wife and the knight doesn't get the land, but on the average better than one dead and another one executed for it.

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That's assuming the knight and lady dont love the place more than they love each other. Or atleast their morals. Which in Westros is a heck of a long shot. I can honestly see the lady killing her husband off after we reveal ourselves in the months to come. Assuming along with her paramour that we will care about the alliance too much to convict them.

Which I'm honestly worried will be accurate. So I'd rather it come out now and spare myself the headache. One more thing is Justice and Duty Stannis knows nothing about any of this. That's gonna bite somebody in the drier later.

 

[Artemis1992]

That's assuming the knight and lady dont love the place more than they love each other. Or atleast their morals. Which in Westros is a heck of a long shot.

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Eh, they appearently started the affair beofre the wedding, so whoever among them did not inherit the castle was propably about the other person.

 

[Crake]

If it does everyone involved looses.
The corpse and the killer both.

The happy end here is to have patience and solve things the (newly installed) legal way.
The lord gets to keep his place without being murdered.
The knight and lady get toegther.

It's not perfect since the lord doesn't keep his wife and the knight doesn't get the land, but on the average better than one dead and another one executed for it.

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That's rational, but not necessarily how these people see the world. The Knight obviously wants the land. Maybe he even does care about his son and the lady, unlike that Blount bastard, but human greed shouldn't be underestimated. Granted, you might circumvent this somewhat if you promise the Knight a nice small keep somewhere, but even that might not be enough if he's attached more to the idea of being lord of that land.

Though I imagine being offered some other land by the King himself, with the implicit caveat of "you can't possibly think to get around me on this, do you? If he dies I'll know, we just had this conversation."

Because then the only way to get what he wants is... some crazy forty-three step master plan that also involves our death? Is it worth it at that point? Who knows!

Westeros. Not even once.

 

[DragonParadox]

I find the incongruity of this vote being entirely divorced from ASoIaF reality to be utterly hilarious.

[X] Artemis1992

I can't wait to see this end in stabbings.

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To be fair you guys have forced a whole bunch of social chance through in Essos. If you want to get behind changing the marriage customs (not technically the law since divorce is legal) then you can. However as you summarized it would be a momentous undertaking.

 

[Artemis1992]

However as you summarized it would be a momentous undertaking.

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Step 105 on the list of social changes we are making?

Though are you sure divorce exists already?
I think for most of the time only annulment worked, retroactivly declaring the marriage void, rather than dissolving it later.

In this case it wouldn't be any difference, since the child is a bastard anyway, but in other case that's a big difference.

 

[Crake]

To be fair you guys have forced a whole bunch of social chance through in Essos. If you want to get behind changing the marriage customs (not technically the law since divorce is legal) then you can. However as you summarized it would be a momentous undertaking.

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I mean, setting a wife aside is something Kings could technically already do, though they did it very, very lightly thanks to Maegor's examples.

The thing here is, while magic allows for accurate identification of cuckoldry taking place, the reason why that works is people judging the conclusiveness of magic to serve as proof, otherwise you wind back up at step one where divorce simply isn't a thing that can happen because "how can you prove she slept with him? I'm her father, you're lying, and since you're trying to deny her children their inheritance to advance your own aims, I'm going to call my banners to kill you".

We can get around that only due to the fact that we enforce order through overwhelming force, though.

 

[zxzx24]

[X] Reveal your discovery to Lord Farthing.
-[X] Speak with him on what he wishes done about the situation. What to tell his only heir for example...
-[X] Your of the mind to try her in essos, and the knight to take the black.
-[X] It does ultimately depend on wether he wants this to be known or kept quite.

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Would making one or both of them take the black be doable @Crake ?

He could still demand blood, but I want to least present an alternative.

 

[Abhishekam]

Eh, they appearently started the affair beofre the wedding, so whoever among them did not inherit the castle was propably about the other person.

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Pardon? Cant get the sentence sorry. I assumed that them being together since even before the wedding meant she went through with it was in support of their possibility of scheming for the castle. The housing at least seems to think it's his right. And the lady definetly is implied in the letter to support it. Whether that's because of her feeling for the cousin or not wanting to lose the cushy life is up in the air.

Remember she could have just kept quiet and let her love child inherit in time. But she's plotting a takeover. Either is amoral, the second is even worse. Compounded by the fact they both are apparently trying to get the guy to join our side on top of that. That makes all of this our problem.

Also she's been sleeping with another dude the entire length of the marriage and stretching before it. Their kid isnt even his. Even buy the shitty legal standards of Weateos I'm assuming that's atleast an annulment and an oath to the black(because Westros, maybe one for the baby daddy too). Still saying the scandal would be easier to deal with than the complications this subterfuge brings out.