egoo
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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Currently writing the interlude but the present vote is not yet closed (since I don't need it for said interlude).
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Can you PM me this post? I don't have time to look at it right now, but can when I get home this evening.
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@DragonParadox
This is regarding the rituals. For creating the rituals, since we have the Unilla book, is it possible to use the Scholarium base research actions to develop the ritual spells or would we need a mage capable of casting 6th level spells or lower to develop these rituals even with the book?
As an addition to the first question since the Unilla had some ritual spells in her noggin would it be possible to reformat those spells so that they draw their power from elsewhere using the Scholarium bases actions or would we need a mage with the same capacity as the Unilla to do this task?
Edit: Is the Scholarium base actions enough to convert any spell of any level into it's ritual form or would we, in that case, need a caster capable of casting that spell?
This is regarding the rituals. For creating the rituals, since we have the Unilla book, is it possible to use the Scholarium base research actions to develop the ritual spells or would we need a mage capable of casting 6th level spells or lower to develop these rituals even with the book?
As an addition to the first question since the Unilla had some ritual spells in her noggin would it be possible to reformat those spells so that they draw their power from elsewhere using the Scholarium bases actions or would we need a mage with the same capacity as the Unilla to do this task?
Edit: Is the Scholarium base actions enough to convert any spell of any level into it's ritual form or would we, in that case, need a caster capable of casting that spell?
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This is amazing and I love it. We could set up a Teleportation Circle to bring the guests up, and use Persisted Life Bubble to make people survive the ceremony! Or maybe do it indoors, and terraform the inside of the building?
Is there an AoE version of life bubble? Something like Perinarch, but that works in space?
I agree that this is terrible cheese. I have in fact never used it at a table (although when I DM I sometimes make NPCs with similar cheese).
Your example with the Metamagic doesn't work : while you are indeed correct, Heighten Spell is explicitly an exception to such rulings. It's literally the point of Heighten : it makes low-level spells into high-level ones, thereby bypassing defenses like Globe of Invulnerability (which clocks all spells of fourth level or lower) as well as raising spell DCs.
Does it scale well? Yes, to a point.
For the next 5 levels it improves my spellcasting, as well as my Int and Wis. I end up with more spells per day than a wizard (yay for double aptitude!), but limited mostly to spells of level 6 or lower. I say mostly because if a spell counts as lower for anyone, Chameleons can access it (like an Archivist, but without the need to look for scrolls of it). This means that they get a pile of level 7, 8 and even 9 spells that they can cast out of level 5 or 6 slots.
Once you hit level 15 and spellcasting cannot progress any further, the final 5 levels can be used to get bonus spell slots and turn into an even better Gish (ideally you'd dip more casters, but seeing as casters aren't on theme, this is what I'd do) : take a level of Nightmare Spinner, take two levels of Dragon Disciple (take Arcane Cogitation to qualify - it's a great feat for you anyway), and then take 2 levels of Warblade.
At this point your caster level is 20 (it has been since level 15) and your buffs are hard to Dispel : they are what make you a Gish! You can easily have Greater Mighty Wallop, Greater Luminous Armor and Greater Magic Fang around all day, and pop a quick Divine Power at the beginning of a fight. You have access to all Cleric buffs and wizard buffs in the game, and wizards have some incredibly amazing personal only buffs!
Then you have great stealth (and Hide in Plain Sight for use in combat), great skills, some maneuvers (those are very good for your action economy!) and you can craft any gear needed yourself. You also have save or die spells and battlefield control, as needed. This isn't a full caster, but it's anything but weak!
Edit : Peaking at level 15 (with a big jump in power at level 12) is intentional. Levelling gets harder and harder, riskier and riskier, after all. After level 15, this build is just polishing things off and grabbing side bonuses.
However, if the residual magic + extra slot cheese works, you can take it even further : replace the 10th level of Chameleon by a level of Shaper of Form, become a Changeling, and take racial emulation. Then take a level of half-elf paragon for the bonus feat, then nightmare spinner, and then anything else that grants bonus feats you can convert to extra slot. Human Paragon?
Or maybe just take 5 levels of abjurant champion. Even with no spellcasting to advance, that one is amazing.
Oh, or that weaver class our drow assassin has, that lets him instantly activate multiple low-level buffs on himself + allies ! You are already stealthy, social, buffer, Gish and a spellcaster. Time to improve your support abilities beyond just healing and AoE control !
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egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
Fuck.
Aah...
I guess we can send Malarys in to fuck with Asmodeus' forces in Slavers' Bay? He'd be a decent fit there, and quite good at discerning Devils' influence.
That aside, any more comment on teams' composition?
Roster of those dealing with GC kinda worries me, but I'm too sleepy at this point to think things through again :/
Interlude in beta.
- You would need a mage capable of casting that level of spell to convert spell to ritual yes.
- Reformatting is fine yes as long as the Scholarum mages have access to things like the Scholar's tree
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@TalonofAnathrax it looks like developing the ritual would take a caster capable of casting said spell and reformatting can be done with the Sorcerer's Deep Scholarium base.
Now do we have a sixth circle mage free next month? We could just put them on ritual duty.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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Off the top of my head and the list a page ago, Riz'neth is not busy anywhere yet.
With how many things we have to do, I'm sure we'll find something to take up his time.
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If nothing shows up I want to put him on ritual making duty. I see the abuse potential of rituals and the industrial potential is nothing to scoff at.
Edit: With rituals we can make our level one mages cast higher spells to make enchanted items...provided we amp up their CLs artificially.
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Interlude DXLXXXV: Trading in Sins
Trading in Sins
Eighth Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC
In the month he had lived under the false sky of the City of Brass, Bronn had learned anew many of the lessons of his youth: that all merchants were cheats at heart if they thought they could get away with it, that a street rat with a bone shank would kill you just as dead as a knight with his shining sword, and that if a deal looked too good to be true he should keep his wits and his knives about him. True, the merchants hereabouts dealt in sorcery the way a Gulltown horse trader dealt in fleas, the thieves had knives hot enough to cut through castle-forged steel, and a fair enough glamour could get a man to stick his cock in a rusty steel trap and not notice till the damn thing snapped closed, but the heart of the matter was the same.
In the Bazaar of a Thousand Sins they weren't servants of the Dragon King, to get merchant's knees knocking at just the thought of cheating them, they were just common traders blown in from who knows where, the sort this city chewed up and spat out the bones of every day... and it was just these sorts of bones they were looking over today.
As far as Bronn knew the so-called 'Fakir of Fortune' was not any sort of priest, no more than the dirty sandstone walls and tattered wings of his shop was a temple, unless it was to some god of miserliness and lies. Then again, there is a god for that too and his name's Mammon, the sellsword remembered. He really wished Demons, Devils, and Fiends of all sorts would leave good honest greed out of their dealings, but there you have it. He adjusted his sword a little more comfortably as he and the boy entered the shop.
Not only were the Fakir's knees not knocking with fear, but he didn't have any to begin with, a plume of dirty smoke shot through with fire rose up from the dusty floor to transition into a starveling body, skin all but clinging to the bones, his arms ending in claws black as sin. There was a rumor going around that a Djinn slave he once sold had rotted both his hands clean off with her dying breath, but the merchant had just gone to a necromancer to have them sown back on, but it was his face that gave Bronn the shivers. Like most of the locals of the city he wore one of those headwraps, a turban they called it, but the Fakir had his wrapped over where his eyes should have been, but he still saw just fine, the dozens of clinking and clanking amulets moving alongside him. It was almost like he tasted the air with his tongue like a snake.
How the hell the boy just walked up and touched palms with the bastard in greeting Bronn had no idea. Maybe it was the demon blood, maybe it was being bloody twelve and thinking he was gonna live forever. The sellsword was more than happy to keep him and all his kin at least a sword's length away.
"Alright, what have you got for me today?" Maelor asked, looking around the shop as though expecting to find something new among the dried heads and tin 'jewelry' even though everyone who knew of the Fakir of Fortune knew did not deal in his valuable stock unless it was for a commission or some poor fool had just pawned off the last of his worldly goods to keep the slave catchers at bay at least a little while longer.
"I heard in the crackling of a flame that Irun Sirq Narid is selling flame clove seeds long with a dozen strong slaves used to growing it, you were looking for that, were you not? For your enchanters?"
The first time he had heard the merchant's sly insinuations Bronn had damn near jumped out of his skin thinking they'd been found out, but he had soon learned it was his way to imply wrongdoing of everyone he dealt with, just in case some information slipped through the cracks. It did not make him beloved by any, but he'd found enough secrets to stay alive so far at least.
"Is that what you called me from my shop in the middle of the day for? Spices?" Maelor snorted. "You should have used that clove to make lizard roast with date wine to tempt me with if that's all you have."
"Patience, young one, it is the key to a long and healthy life," the merchant hissed a near-threat. "Did I say that was all I had?"
"Then out with it, unless you are so desperate for someone to cross your threshold that you need to draw out every talk," Bronn growled, playing his part.
The Efreeti merchant answered not with words, but magic, an illusion floating up from his upraised palms. It looked like a silver snake with sapphire eyes and scales shimmering in a thousand colors swimming though some distant sea, then it vanished leaving only a ripple in the water. "A mirror snake, very tricksy, very useful for a sorcerer, can turn back spells worked upon it. It does not sleep, does not eat, the perfect guardian, eh?"
"A useful trick, but I have better guards with legs yet that can cast spells of their own," the boy countered so skillfully Bronn could not even tell if he was really not interested or just haggling.
"You have guards," the Fakir of Fortune gave an ugly laugh. "We will see what you think about it tomorrow once you have talked to your master, boy. In the meantime, tell him I found a way to control those slaves of his better in case they should misbehave..." Or you, the words hung unsaid in the air, not that Bronn had long to consider the threat before the merchant slapped down on the counter a disgusting grey-green leach with a hundred tiny mouths all wrapped up in a shining adamantine chain.
Gods, let that thing not be smart, was the sellsword's first thought, not even sure which gods he was praying to at the moment. Any who were listening would do. Thankfully his prayer was answered. That was not some kind of smart brain worm, just a sort of leach that sucked magic right out of a wizard, and he supposed another reason to steer clear of using magic himself.
Maelor haggled for the damn thing just like for everything else, even insisting to try them out himself 'to see if they could do the job'. "Slow, really bloody slow, but I guess if you have a sorcerer chained up nice and tight already it should be able to keep him out of mischief."
"Bah..." the merchant gesticulated with one clawed hand. "No imagination, you can set these on a sleeping mage and soon enough he won't have any magic to call his own. Unless that is, he is guarded by one of these." So saying he placed upon the counter a basket full of cats, kittens really, the sort you would expect to see pampered in some lady's lap, except these were made of magic fire with bright green eyes that almost seemed to call for help... then they actually called for help:
"We will be good, we are clever and swift, no need for chains, no need for collars, just take us away," they said, their words tumbling over each other in their rush.
"You are the last one I'm offering them to," the Efreeti merchant said. "If you won't take them I'm afraid I'll have to chop them up for potions."
Bronn was willing to bet the bastard had said that a dozen times already, but damn it if even he didn't feel a pang at the thought of the little things being killed off.
What do you buy?
[] Flame Clove seeds and 50 human slaves used to tending it Cost 9,000 IM
[] 1 Mirror Serpent (Creation can be reverse-engineered) Cost 2,592 IM
[] Breeding population of Wizard's Shackles (No limit on the total number of spell levels absorbed) 14,400 IM
[] 8 Dweomercat Cubs Cost 8,424 IM
OOC: You rolled very well for magical creatures but poorly for slaves. Ifrit, Azer, or just standard humans are all that is available without making waves for now.
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I don't care what people say, we must save the kittens!
These are children after all who are begging to be taken away. Pretty sure would fit Maelor's and most of our decent companions minds to save them if possible.
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- United Kingdom
Wow, God damn. 🤢
The revolution cannot come fast enough. Bloody hell. Err, well done DP. Geez.
The revolution cannot come fast enough. Bloody hell. Err, well done DP. Geez.
The cloves were on the minor action list as stuff to look for hence why I rolled for them.
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Weren't we actually looking for dweomercats? I remember some discussion to that effect. We should get them.
I personally love the mirror snake, but I can't think if any specific reasons to get it beyond "it's awesome."
The wizard shackles, though, are going to be the basis of some truly terrifying flesh forge projects.
I personally love the mirror snake, but I can't think if any specific reasons to get it beyond "it's awesome."
The wizard shackles, though, are going to be the basis of some truly terrifying flesh forge projects.
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The City of Brass does not disappoint. 
[X] Purchase two things
-[X] 1 Mirror Serpent (Creation can be reverse-engineered) Cost 2,592 IM
-[X] 8 Dweomercat Cubs Cost 8,424 IM
--[X] Total: 11,016 IM
-[X] After much deliberation, and obvious reluctance to leave the other two things, Maelor makes a show of contacting his master Malarys to see if he should get a loan for this. Malarys will agree, because they happen to have buyers lined up who will pay extra for prompt delivery. The money will come from a combination of prior savings and a few small loans.
-[X] Inquire how much the Cloves cost without purchasing the slaves, and ask if he'd be willing to wait one or two days before selling them. Then return a few days later with the pretense of having found a buyer and purchase the Cloves on their own.
-[X] Then, at night, Maelor visits in secret, and offers to purchase the slugs with 2/3 of the price in coin, and the rest in magical items worth 25% more than the remaining third. This is under the pretense that he wants an ace up his sleeve against his master, and that the money is mostly funds he's secretly squirreled away by skimming off the top for years even before coming to the City of Brass.
It's nice being filthy rich. That Adamantine Convoy raid was one of the best things we've done.
And failing that, we can never have too many guardians.
[X] Purchase two things
-[X] 1 Mirror Serpent (Creation can be reverse-engineered) Cost 2,592 IM
-[X] 8 Dweomercat Cubs Cost 8,424 IM
--[X] Total: 11,016 IM
-[X] After much deliberation, and obvious reluctance to leave the other two things, Maelor makes a show of contacting his master Malarys to see if he should get a loan for this. Malarys will agree, because they happen to have buyers lined up who will pay extra for prompt delivery. The money will come from a combination of prior savings and a few small loans.
-[X] Inquire how much the Cloves cost without purchasing the slaves, and ask if he'd be willing to wait one or two days before selling them. Then return a few days later with the pretense of having found a buyer and purchase the Cloves on their own.
-[X] Then, at night, Maelor visits in secret, and offers to purchase the slugs with 2/3 of the price in coin, and the rest in magical items worth 25% more than the remaining third. This is under the pretense that he wants an ace up his sleeve against his master, and that the money is mostly funds he's secretly squirreled away by skimming off the top for years even before coming to the City of Brass.
It's nice being filthy rich. That Adamantine Convoy raid was one of the best things we've done.
Mirror snake can work with the clerics of Yss. We should make an effort to keep an eye out for anything snakey.
And failing that, we can never have too many guardians.
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Found it
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I'm actually also rather keen on giving Yss the mirror snake. Natural invisibility and spell reflection are tasty. Giving him the ability to put it on his servants cheaperish? Would be rad.
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Yeah, Dweomercats are amazing.
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- Mexico
What exactly happened to Bronn in that brothel !?
[X] Duesal
All sneks must bow down to best snek.
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Growing it back was probably just as traumatic for the poor bastard.What exactly happened to Bronn in that brothel !?
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Kytons?What exactly happened to Bronn in that brothel !?
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Considering he went straight for drinks instead of a healer, I think he managed to salvage most of it.
Edit: Gods, I'm getting real tired of autocorrect "fixing" every other word, stupid new phone in need of training.