The god-snare would benefit a lot if R'hllor focuses on Tiamat's Fire and Tyranny domains which he already has. Or have him for Law of Timmy's Chaos.
My personal distaste for R'hlor aside, as well as the fact that he'd be a problem for Moonsinger Goddess and Weeping Lady of Lys to work with, aside...
We actually have those domain covered already via other Gods' portfolios.

We need but something for "Dragons" Domain Timmie holds, and R'hlor doesn't have anything for that either.
 
Mhm?
Was that an actual forge?

I got an impresson they were just a whole bunch of Fleshcrafters (who then got degenerated to Hags), and as such got lots of results done :/
It doesn't matter. The point is there will be tools equivalent to a Forge if not an actual Forge. As such we will face monsters of equal danger, and have loot of equal value.
 
Here, @Takesis, waht our line-up for T!Snare's confrontation looks like:
Timmie's Domains:
[] Magic
[] Dragon
[] Chaos
[] Hatred, Rage, Torture, Catastrophe
[] Hubris
[] Nightmare, Insanity
[] Greed
[] Isolation
[] Blood

Alliance's Domains:
[] Travel (2) (Old Gods, The Weeping Lady)
[] Strength (Old Gods)
[] Protection (2) (Old Gods, The Weeping Lady)
[] Magic (Old Gods)
[] Time (Old Gods)
[] Skalykind (Yss)
[] Life (2) (Yss, The Weeping Lady)
[] Death (3) (Yss, The Merling King, The Weeping Lady)
[] Trade (Yss)
[] Sea (The Merling King)
[] Passion (The Merling King)
[] Moon (The Goddess of the Silver Moon)
[] Freedom (The Goddess of the Silver Moon)
[] Destiny (The Goddess of the Silver Moon)
[] Peace (The Goddess of the Silver Moon)
[] Community (The Weeping Lady)
[] Liberation (Zathir)
[] Creation (Zathir)

Confrontation line-up:

[X] Magic (Timmie) - Magic (Old Gods)
[X] Chaos (Timmie)
- Creation (Zathir)
[X] Hatred/Rage/Torture/Catastrophe (Timmie) - [] Protection/Peace/Death (The Merling King/The Goddess of the Silver Moon/The Weeping Lady)
[X] Hubris (Timmie) - Community (The Weeping Lady)
[X] Nightmare, Insanity (Timmie) - ??? Dany/Yss/Old Gods with "dream" theme
[] Dragons (Timmie) - ???
[X] Greed (Timmie) - Trade/Community (Yss/The Weeping Lady)
[X] Isolation (Timmie) - Freedom/Community/Liberation (The Goddess of the Silver Moon/The Weeping Lady/Zathir)
[X] Blood - Protection/Peace (Old Gods/The Goddess of the Silver Moon)
We are only shaky on "Dragons" and "Nightmare/Insanity" Domains of hers due to not having direct Divine counters in play.
Albeit, "Dragon" is also her strongest domain, too.
 
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Here, @Takesis, waht our line-up for T!Snare's confrontation looks like:
We are only shaky on "Dragons" and "Nightmare/Insanity" Domains of hers due to not having direct Divine counters in play.
While "The God Shanker" does have a certain appeal, I was thinking something along the lines of "The Siphon".
 
BTW, had we resurrected Storm God before the following 1-2 months, however little, we would have had much better chances due to him having "Storm" and "War" Domains, and if not countering, then at least decently adding power agaisnt Timmie's narrative "Dragon"-weight.

Too bad we decided not to push Stannis on this }:/
 
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BTW, had we resurrected Storm God before the following 1-2 months, however little, we would have had much better chances due to him having "Storm" and "War" Domains, and if not countering, then at least decently adding power agaisnt Timmie's narrative "Dragon"-weight.

Too bad we decided not to push Stannis on this :/
I don't think Stormy would have been up for lending his aid in this particular task, at least not for a long while. He's but a faded shadow of his former self. Years of prayer and/or sacrifices are going to be needed to bring him back up to spec.
 
BTW, had we resurrected Storm God before the following 1-2 months, however little, we would have had much better chances due to him having "Storm" and "War" Domains, and if not countering, then at least decently adding power agaisnt Timmie's narrative "Dragon"-weight.

Too bad we decided not to push Stannis on this }:/
Had we pushed Stannis on this we would have had a far higher chance of failure. Things like this need time to settle down before they can move forward.

Not to mention the Storm God isn't exactly at his best right now.
 
I don't think Stormy would have been up for lending his aid in this particular task, at least not for a long while. He's but a faded shadow of his former self. Years of prayer and/or sacrifices are going to be needed to bring him back up to spec.
Had we pushed Stannis on this we would have had a far higher chance of failure. Things like this need time to settle down before they can move forward.

Not to mention the Storm God isn't exactly at his best right now.
Eh, even a slightly alive God is still one more shoulder to count on when Tmmie's gon get fucked.

I'm pretty sure that even an echo of a God would count at time like our intended use of Snare/SYphon is, let alone a living (if weak) one.
 
It would be interesting, though all but completely impossible, to diplomance one of the Seven into joining in our alliance of gods against Tiamat in order to garner enough power for itself to become an independent deity rather than one beholden to the Pantheon of the Seven and it's crippling strictures.
 
We may need something with the forge domain to deal with dragons. You know cause from forges come great works which slay the dragon.
...That's kinda a stratch.
Quite a hefty one, even.

Honestly, DP did say taht Dany could counter Dream/Dragon DPmains - but pointedly taht she's not a Deity herself - I fully expect we'll have to counter "Dragon" ourselves, with full Mythic juice on top -
Maybe calling Amrelath, Relath, and Darleth to back up ritualistically, even.

Dany lacks Mythic Ranks to count shit in that sort of confrontastion, I feel.
 
Eh, even a slightly alive God is still one more shoulder to count on when Tmmie's gon get fucked.

I'm pretty sure that even an echo of a God would count at time like our intended use of Snare/SYphon is, let alone a living (if weak) one.
There's such a thing as too weak, and trying to drag an echo of a god into this definitely qualifies. If he were stronger he'd be reliable, but as he is? No.

There's also such a thing as spreading too thin and being too greedy. It's better to try to focus on a few domains instead of trying to get all of them and increasing chances of failure.
 
What's so bad about not having Dragon?

That's her very essence anyway, we'll never get that from her. Let it be and hope the other hooks work.
Oh, that wasn't ever planned, don't get me wrong.

Problem is that she could rip herself out of Snare if she rolls well enough.
So, it is but sensible to make sure that we'd have counter to every Domain she has, outdoing her both in quantaty, and quality.
 
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There's also such a thing as spreading too thin and being too greedy. It's better to try to focus on a few domains instead of trying to get all of them and increasing chances of failure.
Err, we'll cut off whatever we could.

The "counter her Domains" is just that - making sure she can't get out once we sink the hooks in.

Otherwise, we'd just waste a lot of goodwill and power of our allied gods.
 
Oh, that wasn't ever planned, don't get me wrong.

Prpblem is that she can rip herself out of Snare if she rolls well enough.
So, it is but sensible to make sure taht we'd have counter to every Domai nshe has, outdoing her both in quantaty, and quality.
I think the point is that she rips herself out of any trap we could devise.
What matter is what she leaves behind while doing so.
 
I think the point is that she rips herself out of any trap we could devise.
What matter is what she leaves behind while doing so.
The point is largely "to hold her trapped for as long as it takes Worm to cut off all the power it could".
And her having any Domains "free" works against us in that situtation.
 
@egoo
Our own dragons + Viserys (all chromatic!) potentially anchoring her is a neat notion, one they shall gleefully leap at, both for potential power attained and sheer spite. They call her hoard-thief and hate her guts.

Hell, might as well drag Rhaella along, the entire awakened line of Syrax unbroken, who humbled such in times past at exactly the same fashion; Stealing her stuff, a domain. Feels like it has a certain narrative weight.
 
@egoo
Our own dragons + Viserys (all chromatic!) potentially anchoring her is a neat notion, one they shall gleefully leap at, both for potential power attained and sheer spite. They call her hoard-thief and hate her guts.

Hell, might as well drag Rhaella along, the entire awakened line of Syrax unbroken, who humbled such in times past at exactly the same fashion; Stealing her stuff, a domain. Feels like it has a certain narrative weight.
Rhaella isn't exactly strong enough. She needs to power level a lot before we consider risking her against Tiamat.
 
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  • [X] Take this opportunity to quietly knight some of the men in Lady Whent's garrison who, if you've heard correctly, stood fast in the face of horrors beyond all reason. Also restore the captain of Lady Whent's garrison's missing eye, lost fighting Harren's Horrors even while his comrades lay dying.
    -[X] Separate from the rest but with the Misfits: "Denys Trainer, kneel."
    -[X] "In the face of armed insurrection you fought at the Trident and the Battle of Stony Sept, as your father before you, in leal service to House Targaryen, living to swear oaths of service again, even as friends and family fell in the service of my House, all trials overcome starting at the tender age of fifteen."
    -[X] "Alongside loyal friends you have cleansed the plague infesting King's Landing, illicit contraband from darkfey killing as sure as any virulent disease or abject poverty."
    -[X] "In the Stormlands, alongside that company, slaying devils who had troubled Lord Fell during a time when Lords themselves are reluctant to protect their people from the depredations of fiends and more."
    -[X] "And in Dorne, attempted to valiantly dispatch more of the same, as well as an Undead bearing a curse of vengeance not easily dismissed from the minds of statesmen as much as any decent man or woman."
    -[X] "Lastly, at my request, aiding in putting an end to the threat that could have been a knife in the heart of Westeros plunged at the most inopportune moment, a threat you had no reasonable hope or expectation of surviving should the worst come to pass, possibly to fall into a fate worse than death, and yet faced standing steadfast and dauntless to the end regardless."
    -[X] "For these reasons I count you worthy of bearing the title knight, its privileges, and its duties." Unsheath Dark Sister, in mirror to the scant handful of times you had done so without violence in mind. "Answer me then, Denys of House Trainer. Do you swear before the eyes of gods and men to defend those who cannot defend themselves, to protect all in need of protecting, to obey your liege lord, and your king, to fight bravely when needed and do such other tasks as are laid upon you, however hard or humble or perilous they may be?"
    -[X] "Then arise, Ser Denys, a Knight of the Realm."
    --[X] Travel to the Forge by the entrance Dany discovered
    -[X] Thoroughly examine the entrance using Greater Arcane Sight and Spectral Scouts, along with a Conspiracy of Ravens courtesy of Viserys and Vee's staves.
    -[X] Vee will also use two 6th level spell slots to cast Summon Nature's Ally VII in order to Summon 1d4+2 Janni to explore the entrance. They'll form a chain to relay their findings back to us Telepathically, if possible, depending on the number Summoned, and the condition and architecture of the entrance.
    -[X] Depending on what we learn of the entrance, we will then decide on how to proceed, either attempting to use it or searching for an alternative method of entry.
    [X] DP, we need City of Brass and Yi Ti interludes in strategic amounts,
 
Part MMCMLXXXIII: Of Honors Well Deserved
Of Honors Well Deserved

Sixteenth Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC

You take stock of Denys Trainer in the flickering torchlight, still somewhat bemused by Malarys' cavalier perspective on death, or perhaps the fact that most of you grant some merit to the notion. Now that the talk of alchemy is done you could simply send him back to Harrenhal and deal with the matter later, when it would not cost you more magic upon the even of battle. Unless you have very much misjudged them, neither he nor his companions would blame you for the wait. Whether they expect it or not, however, they are worth that small sacrifice, and much more. "Come, I would have words with you and your companions," you announce softly.

The alchemist stands almost painfully straight as you set your hand upon his shoulder, as though the prospect of addressing him and the others on their good work makes him more ill at ease than a journey to the wilds of Sothoryos. "Your Grace, we are not ready..." he stutters.

"You just helped kill a castle full of undead ironborn, including the worst of the breed to ever walk the earth, good man," you say, using the title for the last time in relation to him, though he knows it not. "Unless one of you happens to be falling-down drunk, any state is a good state to receive me, and I can cure being drunk."

"Ah... no, Criston and Thoros are already sobered up, Your Grace," he laughs nervously, though the smile he gives you at the end is more sincere.

With that you make your way to Harrenhal, and for the first time stand in the monstrous cavern Harren called his Great Hall. Yet no malice do you feel in the darkened corners. The whistling you catch from above is only the wind through stones and not the breath of ghosts. A bat flies from its perch too high for eyes other than yours to catch it, and even it looks happy to no longer share its nest with the dead and the damned.

An hour passes before all of Lady Whent's guard can be gathered, though they are dreadfully few compared to the vastness of the hall. What they lack in numbers, they make up for in boldness. Not one fails to meet your gaze, straight and proud even as eyes widen at the hiss of Dark Sister from its sheath... a single eye in the case of the captain of the guard who fought alone even when all hope seemed lost, his comrades dead around him. To the others you grant knighthood, but to him you grant a knighthood and restore an eye in the same gesture.

"The better to serve you, Your Grace," the man says, choked with emotion.

"The better to see all your life, Ser," you correct. "I do not ask of you any more than I do of any other man in my service, the healing was merely redressing an unfairness of fate."

Once the ceremony is done you motion to your own agents, from Melisandre and Thoros to the Furies and the band of Westerosi friends to follow. Doubtless they expect some new assignment... other than the red priestess. She is one of the few you cannot lightly keep a secret from. A corner of her mouth twitches slightly as she looks at Denys, the beginnings of fond amusement, you would judge.

The fire plays merrily in the hearth, different as can be from the drafty great hall. The door is closed and a Devil stands sentinel at it from instinct. There you turn to face the others, though directly in front of the young alchemist. "Denys Trainer, kneel," you command. In a measured tone that still rings clearly through the chamber, you continue: "In the face of armed insurrection you fought at the Trident and the Battle of Stony Sept, as your father before you, in leal service to House Targaryen, living to swear oaths of service again, even as friends and family fell in the service of my House. All trials overcome starting at the tender age of fifteen." A fiery blush creeps along his cheeks, recalling how the squire must have looked on the eve of battle.

"Alongside loyal friends, you have cleansed the plague infesting King's Landing, illicit contraband from Darkfey killing as sure as any virulent disease or abject poverty," you continue over the sound of the crackling fire. "In the Stormlands, alongside that same company, slaying Devils who had troubled Lord Fell during a time when Lords themselves were reluctant to protect their people from the depredations of Fiends and more. And in Dorne, you attempted to valiantly dispatch more of the same, as well as an Undead bearing a curse of vengeance not easily dismissed from the minds of statesmen as much as any decent man or woman." Not many can claim to have aided Stormlander and Dornishman in equal measure, you think but do not say. Hopefully the day will come when the divisions of the Seven Kingdoms will be healed in full and you would not jest of them on so solemn an occasion.

Instead you carry on with the last and greatest deed. "Lastly, at my request, you aided in putting an end to the threat that could have been a knife in the heart of Westeros, plunged at the most inopportune moment. It was a threat you had no reasonable hope or expectation of surviving should the worst have come to pass, one were if was all too possible to fall into a fate worse than death, and yet you faced it standing steadfast and dauntless to the end."

Denys' friends are smiling now, from Ting's reserved expression to Ser Criston's proud wide smile, but the knight to be does not do so yet, less from stoicism you suspect and more from not quite believing the moment is yet upon him. Ready or not, it is indeed time: "For these reasons I count you worthy of bearing the title knight, its privileges, and its duties." With these words you unsheath again Dark Sister, in mirror to the scant handful of times you had done so without violence in mind. "Answer me then, Denys of House Trainer. Do you swear before the eyes of gods and men to defend those who cannot defend themselves, to protect all in need of protecting, to obey your liege lord, and your king, to fight bravely when needed and do such other tasks as are laid upon you, however hard or humble or perilous they may be?"

"I will, Your Grace," he says, his voice unwavering as steel.

Tapping his shoulders in turn you reply just as firmly: "Arise then, Ser Denys, a Knight of the Realm."

"Knew the kid has it in him from the start," Criston whispers to Thoros in a tone he likely imagines is too low for you to hear.

Where do you assign the misfits Thoros and Melisandre for the reminder of the month?

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OOC: Sorry this took so long. I was struggling to fit the two parts of the vote together without feeling forced, but it just would not work, so I put this vote in the middle. The next update will have you guys poking the Forge.
 
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