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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Damn, those are some top shelf itens.

Shall we go into the Forge now?
TalonofAnathrax said:
The more I think about it, the weirder marrying Daenerys gets
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Yeah, it's very problematic. Being just a trusted advisor that's there halfway out of self interest, the other half for the "ending slavery gig" and is plainly asking for a hefty reward (Highgarden) would be much easier.

Someone with simple and naked motives is very easy to trust for a schemer such as Tyrion or Varys.
TalonofAnathrax said:
if you're dead set on grooming your child bride into the perfect ruler,
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And you also made it weird.
TalonofAnathrax said:
You, seducing Daenerys, making her Queen, and eventually getting Highgarden where you can make an attempt to then seduce Margaery.
Ur-Priest fuckboi, trolling ROB's defeatism. That even fits with Ur-Priest fluff!
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Saw through it in one go :V

Just gotta pull a "softer" Orys Baratheon move: marry the daughter and take the castle, but also take the name for myself instead of only the banner and words.

Bonus points for it taking a few years, so, if Marg is alive, it shouldn't be cradle robbing anymore.
TalonofAnathrax said:
Highgarden would be complicated because even though it's clearly the best place, your vassals all have their own claims to power and would definitely be quite restive. What are you going to do, marry them all?
Imagine the succession issues
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I expect to swing the faithful pretty hard with my literal divine spells.

A man that can say "and may the gods smite whichever of us is in the wrong" and have a pillar of fire fall from the heavens unto his enemy shouldn't have much trouble gaining fame as a Chosen of the Seven.

Rebellious vassala are much less of an issue when you have abundant op royal favor from a Targ with dragons.

And maybe a dragon of my own, Dany needs two riders still. Just gotta be a silverbrow human.
TalonofAnathrax said:
On the other hand, this makes things easier if you can get them to go along with it by marrying Cersei or something
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This is like "take the Iron Islands", but worse.
 
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TalonofAnathrax said:
Yeah, if I am getting involved in politics it'll also be in Essos. Because fuck slavery.
What's the point of having absurd magic power if you don't end this absurdly evil slaver regime?

And of course the best way to do that is probably to keep Daenerys on track, and hopefully nudge her into being more competent.

But for example, her struggles to end the Harpy would basically be a non-issue with access to Discern lies, Detect Thoughts and Legend Lore.
Similarly, the quick Chameleon/Shadowcraft Mage build I threw together can be a crafter that can make almost anything, assuming it has place to set up a Distilled Joy farm and has crafting materials. Both things that the ruler of Mereen could provide in exchange for, say, one Delicate Disc a day with a good spell inside (Polymorph, Discern Lies, etc).

How do you make Daenerys more competent on a personal level?
Several ways.
The first is to apply buffs. Give her items if Divine Insight and whatnot, and she can get better at things, know more... Buff her Wishes and saves against insanity if you want.
The second way is to teach her yourself. Get Profession (therapist), get her talking about ethics and her goals...
The third way is to kill various inconvenient "bad advisors" some fans blame for all her bad decisions, and then mind-control her or become one such advisor yourself, whose every suggestion is accepted.

I personally prefer method 1, with method 2 seeming nice if there's time and we've gotten to a point where it makes sense.

Ending slavery could also involve an alliance with Braavos. Difficult to get, but if they think we can win they would probably ally with us.
Allying with Westeros seems impossible is Daenerys is queen. Ah well.


Note that D&D makes it entirely possible to create a Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communist utopia, even if like most people you think it couldn't possibly work IRL. Even if you don't resort to mind control, you can at the very least fight the famines and win the wars that ending slavery caused, and if you are ageless you can make truly massive amounts of items of create food and water or plant growth.

Of course, the White Walkers could kill everyone, including you. But wouldn't having a stronger Essos be better for fighting them? Assuming Daenerys could take her Dragons North without losing an ongoing war, of course. That's an objective to achieve, and isn't an impossible one.
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I just thought of the quickest way I can come up with, to fix canon ASOIAF with this build, it's heavy in cost, but it should work.

I take a class that can enter the Dream-world at level 1, then I use 2 dream wishes, 1 to summon the strongest Celestial I can permanently summon, and the second to shift said celestial from the dream to reality.

This cost me a lot of power of course, but I can level back up to the cap, and I now have unleashed a being, that would be a significant power in a D&D world on canon Planetos, which is going to lead to quite a bit of improvement, and with how much more good the Celestial can do here than in its normal world, it will be quite grateful to me, which mean as long as I stick to being a good person, I can call on quite a few favors from it.
 
tarrangar said:
I just thought of the quickest way I can come up with, to fix canon ASOIAF with this build, it's heavy in cost, but it should work.

I take a class that can enter the Dream-world at level 1, then I use 2 dream wishes, 1 to summon the strongest Celestial I can permanently summon, and the second to shift said celestial from the dream to reality.

This cost me a lot of power of course, but I can level back up to the cap, and I now have unleashed a being, that would be a significant power in a D&D world on canon Planetos, which is going to lead to quite a bit of improvement, and with how much more good the Celestial can do here than in its normal world, it will be quite grateful to me, which mean as long as I stick to being a good person, I can call on quite a few favors from it.
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If you are in canon, nothing suggests there's a Dreamlands plane, much less Celestials.
 
zxzx24 said:
We could study it and then sacrifice it.

It's certainly very powerful, but...

The use is very specific. It's also
definetly corrupting.
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Parts of the use are specific.
The Cold and NeE immunity are just universally useful.

I'm kinda surprised that DP left it as written, as it currently stands nobody except Melisandre or maybe Lady Whent even could use it.

[X] Crake
 
MickOfTime said:
Hey guys, huge fan of the work y'all are doing here. This whole thing is a superb example of the wonderful heights which high-level D&D play can reach, and checking in is part of my daily routine. No joke, I almost missed my fucking flight when you guys squared off with Mammon. Too busy refreshing the page to pay attention. So, big kudos! Quick question, though...is Xor due a level-up, or am I reading his sheet incorrectly?
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We'd love to have you join the insanity. :)

Xor's level is up to date, but his XP total needs to be adjusted. I forgot to do it last time I updated his character sheet.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Parts of the use are specific.
The Cold and NeE immunity are just universally useful.

I'm kinda surprised that DP left it as written, as it currently stands nobody except Melisandre or maybe Lady Whent even could use it.

[X] Crake
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That crown would be a pretty potent sacrifice.

Ya'll think it could be sacrificed to Burny to get his aid in blessing the anti-Tiamat talisman?
 
tarrangar said:
I just thought of the quickest way I can come up with, to fix canon ASOIAF with this build, it's heavy in cost, but it should work.

I take a class that can enter the Dream-world at level 1, then I use 2 dream wishes, 1 to summon the strongest Celestial I can permanently summon, and the second to shift said celestial from the dream to reality.

This cost me a lot of power of course, but I can level back up to the cap, and I now have unleashed a being, that would be a significant power in a D&D world on canon Planetos, which is going to lead to quite a bit of improvement, and with how much more good the Celestial can do here than in its normal world, it will be quite grateful to me, which mean as long as I stick to being a good person, I can call on quite a few favors from it.
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You cannot plane shift out of the dreamlands it's a dimension that is nigh-imposibile to reach physically. So by the same token conjuring a celestial there would only call the celestial's dreaming mind.
 
Goldfish said:
Ya'll think it could be sacrificed to Burny to get his aid in blessing the anti-Tiamat talisman?
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I don't trust Burny enough to have him take part in that.
Too big of an energy field for him to ignore, too asshole to trust on a whim.

Also, he's still a god of Slavery, and several of those we plan to use are very much against that.

Let's trade it with Orphne instead, they have proven much better a people.
Also, we can trade it alongside itemks of the Shadowbinder Valaena killed.
 
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egoo said:
Let's trade it with Orphne isntead,
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Eh, I see little connection there.
It's mostly a necromantic item and the Orphne have shown little interest in that.

Besides, selling the crown of a castle we plan to use as imperial base to Fey sounds like a terrible idea.
Do you want them to have metaphysical ownership or power over that place?
 
Artemis1992 said:
Eh, I see little connection there.
It's mostly a necromantic item and the Orphne have shown little interest in that.

Besides, selling the crown of a castle we plan to use as imperial base to Fey sounds like a terrible idea.
Do you want them to have metaphysical ownership or power over that place?
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Using it as a sacrifice to grow a Heart Tree in Harrenhal's godswood would be nicely thematic.
 
Goldfish said:
We'd love to have you join the insanity. :)

Xor's level is up to date, but his XP total needs to be adjusted. I forgot to do it last time I updated his character sheet.
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Hey, no problem, though it'd just be votes for the obvious plan, primarily. You guys are all way smarter than I am, and my grasp of D&D mechanics is shaky and out-of-date. Is there such a thing as digital graph paper?
 
DragonParadox said:
You cannot plane shift out of the dreamlands it's a dimension that is nigh-imposibile to reach physically. So by the same token conjuring a celestial there would only call the celestial's dreaming mind.
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So not even a Wish could move you between reality and the Dreamlands? Aren't one of Dany's abilities, the ability to bodily move in and out of the Dreamland? I would think that if it's possible for her to do it, a wish would be able to replicate what she do.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
If you are in canon, nothing suggests there's a Dreamlands plane, much less Celestials.
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Seems like a somewhat arbitrary distinction to make considering some spells you can get can only function with the existence of the Ethereal and Astral Planes, both of which Outsiders are fixtures of to varying degrees, Celestials among them.
 
MickOfTime said:
Hey, no problem, though it'd just be votes for the obvious plan, primarily. You guys are all way smarter than I am, and my grasp of D&D mechanics is shaky and out-of-date. Is there such a thing as digital graph paper?
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No need for D&D knowledge to participate.

We all bring something to the table, even if it's just another POV. Personally, I have very little ASOIAF knowledge; never watched the show and haven't read one of the books in about 17 years. What I know comes from this quest and a bit of fanfiction.
 
Different perspectives are definitely the most valuable commodity around here, seeing as we have plenty of lore gurus, plenty of spreadsheet wizards, and plenty of mechanical know-how already.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Eh, I see little connection there.
It's mostly a necromantic item and the Orphne have shown little interest in that.

Besides, selling the crown of a castle we plan to use as imperial base to Fey sounds like a terrible idea.
Do you want them to have metaphysical ownership or power over that place?
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Fair enough, but Burny is a horrible recipient for it still imo.
I mean, it's not like we lack in targets to raise a Heart Tree at, so it's a welcome thing nonetheless.
 
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