I decided to do a bit of... well, indulgent notes and charges. And also to have something to refer back to (and discuss) since it seems like our goals have to be reassessed every time another potential opponent or obstacle capitulates out of nowhere. Most of this based on what we've already discussed.

For the unlawful rebellion against their Liege and House Targaryen, the Wardenship of the East is hereby revoked from House Arryn, retained by the Crown to be bestowed upon another House as it sees fit.

In addition, while the direct vassals of House Arryn remain tied to their seat, for the unlawful rebellion against their Liege and House Targaryen, the Overlordship as intendant of the Vale of Arryn is hereby revoked from House Arryn, retained by the Crown to be bestowed upon another House as it sees fit.

Furthermore, all lands unlawfully stripped from Houses by decree of their Overlord of that time, Lord Jon Arryn, for supporting their liege and House Targaryen, are to be returned to the original title holders.

Further, all taxes collected from these properties from the time of seizure to their forfeiture will be assayed and distributed as is appropriate by the Crown, to the original title holders. Should resources or currency in equivalent value to those originally assessed not be paid within a reasonable time frame, the Crown will determine cause for delay in a private hearing between itself and the defaulting party. Further failures to pay in time frame and intervals deemed reasonable therein, may incur increasing penalties.

In addition, the Heir presumptive, Robert Arryn, being found unfit for rule, will be passed over for inheritance of his seat, with title held in proxy by the Crown until such a time a legitimate heir to the seat can be found. If such an heir cannot be located in a reasonable time frame to swear oaths of fealty to his prospective Liege and House Targaryen, the Seat of House Arryn shall in perpetuity be held by the Crown, to be garrisoned or bestowed upon another House as it sees fit.

[Goals: We need to revoke the Wardenship of the East without question. And while it has yet to be determined if House Arryn should simply be attainted or not (to further our Old Gods' driven agenda if nothing else) Robert Arryn is simply unfit to lead the Vale. It isn't even a question of assigning a better Regent than his mother, as we intend to make another (likely Yohn, if he's alive by then) Overlord of the region, who cannot afford the political distraction with the march of the Others approaching. Selecting someone (possibly Harrold Hardyng) unlikely to make trouble might be better. Or it might be more practical to pay token effort to considering an heir before simply holding onto the seat and using it as a carrot.

Hostages should be taken as appropriate.]

For the unlawful rebellion against their Liege and House Targaryen, [appropriate punitive measures is in determination].

Furthermore, all lands unlawfully stripped from Houses by decree of their Overlord of that time, Lord Hoster Tully, for supporting their Liege and House Targaryen, are to be returned to the original title holders.

Further, all taxes collected from these properties from the time of seizure to their forfeiture will be assayed and distributed as is appropriate by the Crown, to the original title holders. Should resources or currency in equivalent value to those originally assessed not be paid within a reasonable time frame, the Crown will determine cause for delay in a private hearing between itself and the defaulting party. Further failures to pay in timeframe and intervals deemed reasonable therein, may incur increasing penalties.

In addition, at the time an heir (and spare) of the title holder of Riverrun, [and further belligerents as is determined to be necessary] should they reach the appropriate age (six), they are to be hosted by the Crown with appropriate considerations for their health and temperament, until such a time they reach an age for marriage or adulthood. Both matters of fosterage, mentoring, knighthood, education and finally marriage will be determined by the Crown as it sees fit.


[Goals: Revocation of Lordship of the Trident, folding both the Riverlands and the Crownlands together. Intercession in matter of Harrenhal's succession by the Crown, obtaining it and its properties for House Targaryen above House Tully's own claim upon Lady Whent's death (or annulment of pressed claim otherwise).

Hostages should be taken as appropriate.]

Clemency has been granted to House Stark of the North, as determined by the Crown behind closed doors, and at this juncture no penalties will be incurred by House Stark for upheavel found [during and after the Usurper's War] within their purview.

[Goals: We're kind of working on something separate here, but needless to say it will almost be like a private version of the reverse of all other charges meted out. Dorne's rewards can basically all be done in public. It isn't politically possible to give restitution or reward to House Stark (for matters pertaining to either Usurpation of Viserys or House Targaryen) aside from matters which do not relate to this series of... I guess 'injunctions' would be the word describing this situation? Regardless, it should be possible to arbitrarily find a reason to honor them somehow in a similar time frame, which will be politically necessary to retain the support of the North.]

For their support leading up to the Restoration of their Liege and House Targaryen, Lady Asha Greyjoy will succeed her father and retain all properties and vassals of the original title holder, as [Lady] Reaper of Pyke.

[Goals: Rewards for our intendant Overlord and their House. Suitable properties for Theon will be found outside of the Iron Islands, and therefore in terms of legalism, will be handled separately from this hearing, purely ceremonial as it is.]

For the unlawful rebellion against their Liege and House Targaryen, and furthermore for the numerous atrocities committed by the intendant Overlord at the time [of the Usurper's War], Tywin Lannister, House Lannister is to hereby be attainted [with branch families to be renamed if it is determined clemency is politically salvagable]. Furthermore, the Wardenship of the West is hereby revoked from [attainted House], to be bestowed upon another House as the Crown sees fit.

In addition, the title to Casterly Rock and all intendant lands or vassals, is hereby revoked from [attainted House], to be held in perpetuity by the Crown, to be garrisoned or bestowed as it sees fit.

Tywin, of [attainted House], has been passed over for preliminary hearing, as his guilt has been determined without question, and has hereby been sentenced to die, for crimes and atrocities committed [before, during, in or after time of Usurper's War]. Proceedings will follow seperately.

Furthermore, vassals of [attainted House] Lord Gregor Clegane and Ser Amory Lorch, have been passed over for preliminary hearings, as their guilt has been determined without question, and have hereby been sentenced to die, for crimes and atrocities committed [before, during, in or after time of Usurper's War]. Proceedings will follow seperately.

[Goals: Too early to tell. But the destruction of House Lannister goes without saying. One way or another. Redecorating and reshaping Casterly Rock to look suitably draconic rather than leonine would be prudent.

Hostages should be taken as appropriate.]

All lands unlawfully stripped from Houses by decree of their Overlord of that time, the Usurper, Robert Baratheon, for supporting their Liege and House Targaryen, are to be returned to the original title holders.

Further, all taxes collected from these properties from the time of seizure to their forfeiture will be assayed and distributed as is appropriate by the Crown, to the original title holders. Should resources or currency in equivalent value to those originally assessed not be paid within a reasonable time frame, the Crown will determine cause for delay in a private hearing between itself and the defaulting party. Further, failures to pay in time frame and intervals deemed reasonable therein, may incur increasing penalties.

[Goals: A lot of this depends on Stannis' actions, but it should similarly have a less punitative tone than it does for the other belligerants if things go right. And it is not easy to determine, like with House Stark, if it should be settled behind closed doors, or publically, as House Baratheon "of King's Landing" could be attainted in "House Baratheon of Storm End's" stead, in which case they could be publically acclaimed for supporting a restoration of their Liege and House Targaryen, as others have.]

For the failure to discharge duties of oathsworn fealty to their Liege and House Targaryen, ranging from incompetence, negligence and conspiracy, the Wardenship of the South is hereby revoked from House Tyrell, to be bestowed upon another House as the Crown sees fit.

[Goals: Depends on numerous factors, but the above is obvious. They cannot be trusted to discharge their duties, nor do they even bear the necessary political support to do so. And just because I like to reiterate: House Tyrell cannot be trusted.]

For the support of their Liege and House Targaryen, House Nymeros-Martell of Dorne is to be rewarded as deemed appropriate by the Crown for their part in the restoration of their Liege and House Targaryen.

[Goals: Pretty straight forward. Since they're on-sides with us, this is the public parade we were waiting for which should suitably chasten pretty much everyone and acts as the gratification that Doran has been holding out for, even if the feather for his cap is largely or even completely ceremonial (they've already been rewarded). Waiting for pretty much the last NINE years and counting, probably over a decade and counting by the time we are in a position to do all of this. In all likelihood, this reward will be the cathartic revenge taken upon the Mountain, Lorch and Tywin, carried out by Dornish hands. Depending on the method they carry it out, some, all, or none of it conducted publicly.]

This format works better as a Great Council summary pamphlet, but it could be restructured to fit a declaration of intent better.

Edit: Also some stuff is obviously out of date with our current intentions towards some Houses, RE: House Stark.
 
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OK, vote closed, let's get this show on the road.

In case things wrap up in one update here who else di you guys want to talk to in the Stromlands?
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jul 11, 2019 at 2:04 PM, finished with 114 posts and 19 votes.

  • [X] Duesal
    [X] Explain to Lady Shyra the difference between the Lads and the bandits in the Stormlands with whom she's more familiar. Benjicot is very strict in what his men do. While it was unfortunate that her cousin died in fighting them, the Lads were defending themselves while crossing a river.
    -[X] Is there an undeclared war being fought? Yes. But we weren't the ones who started it, with Robert unceremoniously throwing his fleet at us. And more to the point we're trying to make this as bloodless as we possibly can.
    -[X] And regarding the bandits in the Stormlands, the second we were alerted to what they were doing, we took care of them. They won't be troubling these lands any longer.
    -[X] We will bring peace and order to these lands, preferably with as little loss of life as we can manage. We came to Shyra because we want her help in doing so. //Appealing to her idealism.
 
Speaking of Diplomacy how far along has Rhaella gotten along? If she finished by the end of this month then we can put them on the minor lords of the Empire to sway them.

Edit: Also what happened with Omber and Sallosh?
 
Falabix has been fighting for his life quite a bit. Any level up suggestions?

Tarrangar told me he has a plan, I'm just curious what people are thinking.
 
Speaking of Diplomacy how far along has Rhaella gotten along? If she finished by the end of this month then we can put them on the minor lords of the Empire to sway them.

Edit: Also what happened with Omber and Sallosh?
Omber IIRC Malarys managed to get the various lords in Omber to give their pledge. Sallosh is already ours. Saath, however, is in the middle of a civil war and might need imperial intervention.
 
Who are the two sides of this conflict?
So when we went to Saath originally we went there to diplomance our governor-to-be of Sallosh into swearing fealty to us. Then immediately after that we went to the governor of Saath and made sure he wouldn't harass the people leaving to Sallosh. He seemed a very reasonable guy at the time.

That governor is now dead, and his two sons (both equally stupid from what I recall) are fighting each other.
 
The mods are currently struggling with a several hundred page long storyline in a quest called Marked For Death. Apparently they're set on reading it all (+ all the discussion) before making a decision.
Someday one of them will decide to investigate this thread about blood magic genocide or something, and they'll lock down the thread for six months while they read it all :D
 
Oh boy...are there any other rulers who can take over or do we need to find a replacement?
We can either pick the least stupid of the sons and do our best to work with him and bring order to the city, or we can put out foot down and appoint a governor of our choosing (though this option would require more work on our end since we're coming in during a time of strife).
 
The mods are currently struggling with a several hundred page long storyline in a quest called Marked For Death. Apparently they're set on reading it all (+ all the discussion) before making a decision.
Someday one of them will decide to investigate this thread about blood magic genocide or something, and they'll lock down the thread for six months while they read it all :D
You really think they could read this thread in a mere six months?
 
The mods are currently struggling with a several hundred page long storyline in a quest called Marked For Death. Apparently they're set on reading it all (+ all the discussion) before making a decision.
Someday one of them will decide to investigate this thread about blood magic genocide or something, and they'll lock down the thread for six months while they read it all :D

Yikes.
 
You really think they could read this thread in a mere six months?

I think they have largely given up on moderating this thread so long as it manages to contain itself. The sheer size seems to ward off new non-lurkers, and lurkers seem to see absolutely no issue with the morally ambiguous-to-black decisions often decided upon.
 
Hmm well from an Naruto world perspective Eugenics is something that they would do tbh. I mean remember when Hinata was almost kidnapped by Kumo in Naruto?

From an SV perspective not so much.
 
I think they have largely given up on moderating this thread so long as it manages to contain itself. The sheer size seems to ward off new non-lurkers, and lurkers seem to see absolutely no issue with the morally ambiguous-to-black decisions often decided upon.
We have one mod actually reading this, I'm not sure about the whole discussion, but at least the thread in general.

So they could propably make a basic investigation without too much time wasted.
 
To be fair, with the exception of, well, me, there doesn't seem to be any consistent rule-breaking happening in this thread.

Like, ever.

DP mentioned something about there being but 7-8 mod-tracked cases total in guest's whole duration..?

Either way, yeah, we are a stable enough community at this point to contain ourselves and each-other.
But mere 2 cases of trolls I can remember have been recognised swiftly enough by everyone, and summarily ignored.
 
Okay, so for Sothoryos coming up relatively soon as soon as we deal with Lady Errol and Lord Buckwell, we were planning on poking around the Necropolis, or were we going to do anything else? @egoo, have you asked about this?
 
Calling it now :
  1. Mods investigate thread
  2. Purge it with fire
  3. It's too long to investigate for specifics... Who shall we permaban ?
  4. Mods permaban the 5 biggest posters, which includes Azel. The 20 biggest posters would include Snowfire :D
 
Calling it now :
  1. Mods investigate thread
  2. Purge it with fire
  3. It's too long to investigate for specifics... Who shall we permaban ?
  4. Mods permaban the 5 biggest posters, which includes Azel. The 20 biggest posters would include Snowfire :D

That's a good way of splitting the difference ahahaha.

Like WTF though, it always seems to be targeting stuff that makes entirely too much sense in context. A lot of squicky stuff happens in-universe of ASOIAF, same for Naruto.

Why is it surprising or non-kosher if it's not trying to be edgy and blatant trolling?

Edit: The whole underage arranged marriage thing is pretty squick though, even beyond the "is that REALLY necessary to describe even if it makes sense from a feudal perspective?"

Simply because Naruto does not put heavy emphasis on that aspect of the universe, whereas ASOIAF does.
 
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